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Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby jb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:59 pm

But I will.

Is barry still a socialist now?

Told y'all he was alot closer to center than the political hype and apoplexy.

And where is the deficit outrage now, Tea Party?
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby gotribe31 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:18 pm

jb wrote:But I will.

Is barry still a socialist now?

Told y'all he was alot closer to center than the political hype and apoplexy.

And where is the deficit outrage now, Tea Party?


His voting record as a senator was as liberal as you can get. Don't confuse scrambling to save his own hide come 2012 as a move to the center. He sees the miderms for what they were; a referendum on his borderline-historic big government policies. He's making a deal not because he's some sort of Clintonian centrist, but because he knows how much trouble he and his party are in. Too bad for the Dems that Pelosi, Sherrod Brown and the rest aren't smart enough to see the train coming down the tracks.

Come on JB...he's making this deal while calling Republicans "hostage takers." See it for what it is...a politician out to get re-elected. No more, no less.

This is a pretty good look at the deal, in my opinion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... #printMode
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:33 pm

Barrack and the Dems have no balls.

Republicans are still cunts with no plans or ideas fleecing the rubes that vote for them. Half of them are closet queers too.

Pretty much business as usual.

Edit; And FTR anyone who really thought he was Communist is a total retard that should be held underwater untill they stop squirming.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby jb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:59 pm

gotribe31 wrote:
jb wrote:But I will.

Is barry still a socialist now?

Told y'all he was alot closer to center than the political hype and apoplexy.

And where is the deficit outrage now, Tea Party?


His voting record as a senator was as liberal as you can get. Don't confuse scrambling to save his own hide come 2012 as a move to the center. He sees the miderms for what they were; a referendum on his borderline-historic big government policies. He's making a deal not because he's some sort of Clintonian centrist, but because he knows how much trouble he and his party are in. Too bad for the Dems that Pelosi, Sherrod Brown and the rest aren't smart enough to see the train coming down the tracks.

Come on JB...he's making this deal while calling Republicans "hostage takers." See it for what it is...a politician out to get re-elected. No more, no less.

This is a pretty good look at the deal, in my opinion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... #printMode


BTW Al God bless you for writing about the Tribe. Good luck and godspeed.

Don't misocnstrue this as supporting Barry or an opinion on the tax deal.

But I don't care about motivation or authenticity based on his Senate record. Alll I am looking at are policy decisions in the here and now. I don't get distracted by the noise. Barry has gone dead nuts center on this one and the Prog Wing is losing its mind worse than the right wing when GHWB 41 raised taxes. Barry ain't no socialist when he supports the W tax rates. That was at the core of the 2008 Prog Platform, and he just summarily gave it away.

Like Joe Scarborough said to pat Buchannon: if the Dems believe tax cuts to millionaires stimulate the economy, the debate s over and the GOP won.


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That's one hgell of a foreign policy statement AFAIC.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:07 pm

The biggest thorn in Barry's side is his own fucking party. I've never seen a party have that much control and do so little.

Honestly...... I hope they all die, but start with John Bohener.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby jb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:16 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote: I've never seen a party have that much control and do so little.


What about the rooski commies of the 80's?
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:26 pm

:lmfao:

Dude, you should be a politician

Today he bails out on a presser for a pinch hitter in Clinton because he can't make his own case with his own party? Pullleeeeze....where's the "Presidential" Biden?

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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby jb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:28 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote::lmfao:

Dude, you should be a politician

Today he bails out on a presser for a pinch hitter in Clinton because he can't make his own case with his own party? Pullleeeeze....where's the "Presidential" Biden?

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You seem to think this post is a statement of spin or support of the man. get past that and we can do business. Because I really don't care about barry personally. I domn't look at him pie eyed or as a religeon.

But from all I see as him as POTUS I see Barry as a pragmatist at core. This is exhibit A.


Oher than not paying for shit as we never do, I don't know what is so bad about this proposal.

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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:41 pm

I apologize for insane hostile tone earlier, still fighting my lust for more cigarettes.......

You Republicans taint so bad. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:45 pm

Yeah that was some real tough talk there CDT. ::doh::

As far as Obama, right now were in the stage of his presidency akin to having to hold in your piss till you get home, the further up the drive way you make it the harder it is to hold. Just have to hope he doesn't fuck anything else up until 2012 b/c he is a 1 and done for sure.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby jb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:52 pm

FUDU wrote:Yeah that was some real tough talk there CDT. ::doh::

As far as Obama, right now were in the stage of his presidency akin to having to hold in your piss till you get home, the further up the drive way you make it the harder it is to hold. Just have to hope he doesn't fuck anything else up until 2012 b/c he is a 1 and done for sure.



Too soon in the game. Too soon.

If the economy turns, and I believe it is stratrting, and Palin comes up via the wing nuts, I'd put money on barry for 2 terms right now.

Romney? No so much.

Although an Obama, Bloomberg, Palin 3 way race may get crazy Sarah in office.

Then you'll fuckin' pine fr barry.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:55 pm

Yeah that was some real tough talk there CDT


Yeah I know it was. I hope you were taking notes, Nancy.


FUDU wrote: Just have to hope he doesn't fuck anything else up until 2012 b/c he is a 1 and done for sure.


Love the confidence, but once again you still have no cannidate and Mikey Steele is the head of the RNC.

Hey at least Obama kept us safe..........
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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:02 pm

WTF do you mean I have no candidate, I don't vote for fucks like Obama & what was his name.

JB, IMO the damage is done with Obama and even with an economic turn around in the next 16 months, it wouldn't be remember as enough IMO, fair or unfair as it may be. The HC scandal is going to linger and IMO sank him already. I think people are going to get a whiff of that unpleasant reality in the next 9 months.

Not to mention he hasn't done a whole lot of anything he said he would, IE transparency, LOL, not making him much different than most, but that is kind of the point, he is only different in tone, of voice too!

Knee jerk away folks.

I'm done with 2 party politics, in a country as economically, demographically and ideally diverse as this it makes no sense to be stuck on the number 2.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:15 pm

FUDU wrote:WTF do you mean I have no candidate, I don't vote for fucks like Obama & what was his name.


What I mean is, who the fuck are the Repubs/TPers going to run against Obama? Someone in that party HAS to take the torch. It's already a tough road to hoe to beat an incumbent. 9,000 names and no leaders among them.

They need to make a move or risk getting John Kerried in 2012. And that's only if the vote doesn't get split by the TP/Palin circus.

James Carville said it best "Elections are about fucking you enemies, winning is about fucking your friends".
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby swerb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:43 pm

I can't see Palin winning the nomination. Or Huckabee. Gotta believe it will be Newt or Romney. They're the two best candidates and the two most likely to win.

But its far from comforting for the right. Romney couldn't beat out a half-dead McCain the primaries three years ago. Newt has been out of the mix for a while, and is as right as Obama is left ... despite his "move to the center" ... LOL. GoTribe31 nailed that one. It was a desperate and forced move with a glock at his temple.

It's still early. But it sure looks like Obama is gonna be just the 4th non-Gerald Ford one term President of the last 100 years. Dude is in way over his head. The guy has never even run a lemonade stand, and hes running the country. Palin would be as well.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby jb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:19 pm

FUDI, what do you mean heath care "scandle".

Still waiting for a halfway intelligent round and a bout on this complex issue on this forum.

If the Romney plan is fucked and is at the heart of the new legislation, just why then is Mit gonna be next POTUS?

BTW - Put me down in the Bloomberg camp as of now. Run, Michael, run.


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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:34 pm

CDT I'm no (R).

JB, like I brought up last month with updated HC schedules/costs for this coming year, this shit is just starting to take effect from businesses even though it has not taken "effect" from the new bill. It's a joke and a half and people are soon going to be hit with the realities of it, not the speculation/propaganda reality from the press and admin, the RE Al IT T.

Not to mention the fact that gas is once again sneaking up over 3/gallon. You know people will tie that to the POTUS and the admin, regardless of how accurate or inaccurate it's no different than the QB when the team loses. People remember that shit, and deep in my heart I still want to believe people are who select our POTUS and such.

Obama needs to split the Red Sea to stick around another term.
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Unread postby swerb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:38 pm

I'd love to see Bloomberg run .. I'd support him. But as you said, its the one scenario that could put Palin in the White House. Plus, he just said he's not running. He could change his mind, but it looks like the odds are against him running right now.

On Romney, aside from playing flag football with Macphisto, everything the guy has touched has turned to gold. On his health care plan, there are major differences between his plan he rolled out in Massacusetts and ObamaCare. He worked across party lines and worked wonders in that liberal state as a Republican governor, erasing a massive massive budget deficit with major spending cuts and killing of loopholes.

The easy and valid question to ask is why he couldn't beat out the group of Republican lame-o's in the last presidential primary. He ran a poor primary campaign. Spent too much early in states he was likely to be hard pressed to win. He flip flopped on some issues. He never properly debunked the mormon thing, which scared people.

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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:40 pm

The flag football joke will simply never get old, ever.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby jb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:45 pm

You have to elaborate homie. The insurance industry will naturally profit grab between now and regulation. Plus covering the prexisting will rasise costs, but that is nothing new at all. HC costs have been rising way ahead of inflation for years. What reigns in costs is covering the uninsured so we dont have to pay for them. The only real mistake is the long roll out period.

Again, the heart of this, besides the welfare increase, a seperate issue for us to discuss, is mandating participation. There is no major difference. And don't blame Barry for the partisanship up until now. Be credible. Lastly, Rich, states don't pay for military or SS. Anyone can balance the budget. watch what Kasich will do. people will pay more user fees, but he'll do it.


Peeps is sheep. I've seen it. Economy ups, potus is great. Tanks and he's a moron.

Bloomberg is flirting with it. I don't care what he says. Nick Saban and all that.

and gas prices turned witin 2 weeks after the gop sweep. Don't be naive.
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Unread postby jb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:46 pm

On Romney, aside from playing flag football with Macphisto, everything the guy has touched has turned to gold.


Can not concur.

He's an arbitrager, Rich. He destroyed all he touched for profit.

Plus he's a Morman, and yeah, I'll go there. Ever read the book of or at least watch south park?
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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:01 pm

jb wrote:You have to elaborate homie. The insurance industry will naturally profit grab between now and regulation. Plus covering the prexisting will rasise costs, but that is nothing new at all. HC costs have been rising way ahead of inflation for years. What reigns in costs is covering the uninsured so we dont have to pay for them. The only real mistake is the long roll out period.

Again, the heart of this, besides the welfare increase, a seperate issue for us to discuss, is mandating participation. There is no major difference. And don't blame Barry for the partisanship up until now. Be credible. Lastly, Rich, states don't pay for military or SS. Anyone can balance the budget. watch what Kasich will do. people will pay more user fees, but he'll do it.


Peeps is sheep. I've seen it. Economy ups, potus is great. Tanks and he's a moron.

Bloomberg is flirting with it. I don't care what he says. Nick Saban and all that.

and gas prices turned witin 2 weeks after the gop sweep. Don't be naive.
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Add the extension of unemployment benefits and it's HMF shit Batman.

Be honest now, would you be jumping off of your couch to get a job if you were unemployed and getting a livable income from the government for 3 straight years? I'll admit that is a touchy issue b/c if people are hiring what are we supposed to do as a country etc. However at some point a very large portion of unemployed have to be picking and choosing way too much, instead of sacking up and making a trek to work regardless of where it is.


Obama the Apologist, that sounds about right.
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Unread postby swerb » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:10 pm

jb wrote:
On Romney, aside from playing flag football with Macphisto, everything the guy has touched has turned to gold.


Can not concur.

He's an arbitrager, Rich. He destroyed all he touched for profit.

Plus he's a Morman, and yeah, I'll go there. Ever read the book of or at least watch south park?

I disagree on the former.

On the latter, I gotta be honest, I don't give a shit about the religious backgrounds of politicial candidates. I didn't care Bush was hardcore religious right. I don't care that Obama is a muslim. ;-) ;) :wink: Romney being a Mormon doesn't bother me. America today, no President, even if they wanted to ... would be able to interject a personal religious agenda into anything that affects me and you.

But I get that it bothers people. Was part of the problem for Romney three years ago.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:26 pm

I didn't care Bush was hardcore religious right.


Because he wasn't. He's about as Christian as I am. He used the Evangelical crowd like a condom, but it was the country that got fucked.

Politics today isn't so much about who will do right (if it ever was), it's about which crowd gets their lip service. Pander Pander Pander.

And once again I do not think Romney wants any part of Jindal or even Rubio in the southern primaries. I think there's a disconnect between southern Repub voters and the possible Yankee cannidates.

There are too many Indians and no Chiefs for the Repubs right now.

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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:42 pm

CDT I'm no (R).



lol. Yeah..... and i'm the king of Prussia.
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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
I didn't care Bush was hardcore religious right.


Because he wasn't. He's about as Christian as I am. He used the Evangelical crowd like a condom, but it was the country that got fucked.

Politics today isn't so much about who will do right (if it ever was), it's about which crowd gets their lip service. Pander Pander Pander.

And once again I do not think Romney wants any part of Jindal or even Rubio in the southern primaries. I think there's a disconnect between southern Repub voters and the possible Yankee cannidates.

There are too many Indians and no Chiefs for the Repubs right now.

They gained seats and they need to strike while the iron is hot.


I can't concentrate on a single word you write because all I see are crosshairs right behind the right shoulder of your avatar.

Bing.

Through the lungs and heart. Dead within 100 yards of where its struck unless I miss high and spine that sonofabitch. Then it drops where I shot it and it gets ugly for a few minutes but it's still in the freezer in a week.

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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:45 pm

You could never kill my deer.
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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:You could never kill my deer.



I'd kill you then feed your poisoned corpse to the stupid deer.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:00 am

Deer don't eat meat, moron.

Plus you could never kill me. Unless you're a Highlander..... but I would expect that and cut your head off first.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:45 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
CDT I'm no (R).



lol. Yeah..... and i'm the king of Prussia.


Well that goes a long way in explaining why you have half a brain, the wrong half.

But regardless you need to lay off the Funyons and pay more attention.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

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FUDU wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
CDT I'm no (R).



lol. Yeah..... and i'm the king of Prussia.


Well that goes a long way in explaining why you have half a brain, the wrong half.

But regardless you need to lay off the Funyons and pay more attention.


Sure...... That's why you're on the Republican side of 95% of the debates we have in this joint.

I do pay attention, that's how I came to my conclusion that you're a Republican.

Maybe you fancy yourself some sort of independent (which if that's the case then AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)...... or "Libertarian"..... The latter being a made up thing, much like the Yeti.

Dude, you're a Republican, face it.

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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:44 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Deer don't eat meat, moron.

Plus you could never kill me. Unless you're a Highlander..... but I would expect that and cut your head off first.


Deer eat what I tell them to eat.

And if you have to wonder whether I'm a Highlander, well, you're already dead.

The following is an artist's rendition of me riding the monstrous deer I fed your body to. :loadof:

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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:45 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
FUDU wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
CDT I'm no (R).



lol. Yeah..... and i'm the king of Prussia.


Well that goes a long way in explaining why you have half a brain, the wrong half.

But regardless you need to lay off the Funyons and pay more attention.


Sure...... That's why you're on the Republican side of 95% of the debates we have in this joint.

I do pay attention, that's how I came to my conclusion that you're a Republican.

Maybe you fancy yourself some sort of independent (which if that's the case then AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)...... or "Libertarian"..... The latter being a made up thing, much like the Yeti.

Dude, you're a Republican, face it.

I know it's awful......but you're handling it well.


He's a clearly a centrist like every single other person on this board when it suits them.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:04 pm

Yeah b/c I am always backing up specific people with (R) in front of their name. ::doh::

Sorry CDT but you're talking out of your ass. Which in actuality seems to be a good move considering the other options.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:55 pm

FUDU wrote:Yeah b/c I am always backing up specific people with (R) in front of their name. ::doh::

Sorry CDT but you're talking out of your ass. Which in actuality seems to be a good move considering the other options.


lol.

Are you that full of shit?

I don't give a flying fuck about who you claim to "back". You're a Republcian, plain and simple. The debates we have here prove it, and I bet your voting record proves it too. It's not only about backing specific people, moron, it's about policy and agenda, in which you side with the Republicans just about all the time.

You're just one of these creeps who thinks they're way too cool to be attached to a party, you're an enigma, right?....... well you're not.

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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:03 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
FUDU wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
CDT I'm no (R).



lol. Yeah..... and i'm the king of Prussia.


Well that goes a long way in explaining why you have half a brain, the wrong half.

But regardless you need to lay off the Funyons and pay more attention.


Sure...... That's why you're on the Republican side of 95% of the debates we have in this joint.

I do pay attention, that's how I came to my conclusion that you're a Republican.

Maybe you fancy yourself some sort of independent (which if that's the case then AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)...... or "Libertarian"..... The latter being a made up thing, much like the Yeti.

Dude, you're a Republican, face it.

I know it's awful......but you're handling it well.


He's a clearly a centrist like every single other person on this board when it suits them.


Hey........ I've never once claimed to be a Centerist. Nor could I, i've posted too many awful things here about the Right.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:13 pm

Can't have a serious debate here becuase the loudest and proudest pretend to be something grander...

JB states that Obama isn't a socialist. When called on it he states you have to isolate the man to one decision? How can you label a guy anything if you only judge him on single actions? As if any politician is a 100% ideologue... Even Sharrod Brown stated he would vote against cap and trade. That must make him, not Sharrod Brown...
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:14 pm

As for FUDU? Good luck with that.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby gotribe31 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:45 pm

Orenthal wrote:Can't have a serious debate here becuase the loudest and proudest pretend to be something grander...

JB states that Obama isn't a socialist. When called on it he states you have to isolate the man to one decision? How can you label a guy anything if you only judge him on single actions? As if any politician is a 100% ideologue... Even Sharrod Brown stated he would vote against cap and trade. That must make him, not Sharrod Brown...


Sharrod Brown is helping the only Senator (from Vermont) who actually self-identifies as a socalist fillibuster the tax deal. He's not voting against cap and trade because he doesn't want it, he's voting against cap and trade because he's a Senator from Ohio and there are already too few people working there for him to survive backing legislation that would further cripple manufacturing businesses. He's voting to get re-elected, which means he's actually voting the way the people he represents wants, which is actually a welcome departure from most politicians I suppose.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby gotribe31 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:48 pm

jb wrote:
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jb wrote:But I will.

Is barry still a socialist now?

Told y'all he was alot closer to center than the political hype and apoplexy.

And where is the deficit outrage now, Tea Party?


His voting record as a senator was as liberal as you can get. Don't confuse scrambling to save his own hide come 2012 as a move to the center. He sees the miderms for what they were; a referendum on his borderline-historic big government policies. He's making a deal not because he's some sort of Clintonian centrist, but because he knows how much trouble he and his party are in. Too bad for the Dems that Pelosi, Sherrod Brown and the rest aren't smart enough to see the train coming down the tracks.

Come on JB...he's making this deal while calling Republicans "hostage takers." See it for what it is...a politician out to get re-elected. No more, no less.

This is a pretty good look at the deal, in my opinion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... #printMode


BTW Al God bless you for writing about the Tribe. Good luck and godspeed.

Don't misocnstrue this as supporting Barry or an opinion on the tax deal.

But I don't care about motivation or authenticity based on his Senate record. Alll I am looking at are policy decisions in the here and now. I don't get distracted by the noise. Barry has gone dead nuts center on this one and the Prog Wing is losing its mind worse than the right wing when GHWB 41 raised taxes. Barry ain't no socialist when he supports the W tax rates. That was at the core of the 2008 Prog Platform, and he just summarily gave it away.

Like Joe Scarborough said to pat Buchannon: if the Dems believe tax cuts to millionaires stimulate the economy, the debate s over and the GOP won.


BTW:

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That's one hgell of a foreign policy statement AFAIC.


Thanks JB, really appreciate it. And I'm with you on the foreign policy...I think we should be teaching folks how to fish rather than just delivering hummus door to door
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:19 pm

Tell me what I stand for CDT.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:57 pm

gotribe31 wrote:
Orenthal wrote:Can't have a serious debate here becuase the loudest and proudest pretend to be something grander...

JB states that Obama isn't a socialist. When called on it he states you have to isolate the man to one decision? How can you label a guy anything if you only judge him on single actions? As if any politician is a 100% ideologue... Even Sharrod Brown stated he would vote against cap and trade. That must make him, not Sharrod Brown...


Sharrod Brown is helping the only Senator (from Vermont) who actually self-identifies as a socalist fillibuster the tax deal. He's not voting against cap and trade because he doesn't want it, he's voting against cap and trade because he's a Senator from Ohio and there are already too few people working there for him to survive backing legislation that would further cripple manufacturing businesses. He's voting to get re-elected, which means he's actually voting the way the people he represents wants, which is actually a welcome departure from most politicians I suppose.


Which is my point. Even Sharrod Brown sometimes votes against HIS grain. To isolate that one vote and claim he is something other then ULTRA LEFT is absurd. I have no freaking clue wtf JB is trying to prove about Obama by one calculated vote, as if it nullifies the previous 49 years of his life...
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:15 am

FUDU wrote:Tell me what I stand for CDT.


Pretty much whatever the Republican party stands for.

Listen..... you say you're not a Repub and I totaly believe you.

Donny Unitas is not a Republcian.

It's ok, i'd still buy you a beer or 10.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:38 am

12 and a dozen wings and it's a deal.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby aclayman » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:24 am

What's consistently amusing is that the ACTUAL far Left has never seen Obama as one of their own. He is a weak, compromising disappointment in their eyes for the most part. Find me a true hardcore socialist that loves Obama. Ain't happening. Meanwhile, the Right paints him as a bonkers lefty radical.

This doesn't prove JB's point necessarily, but it's worth noting that the views from the fringes hardly mirror each other. Keeping the Bush tax cuts might not make Barry a centrist. But pushing for a weak cousin to the Canadian/European brand of healthcare doesn't make him Stalin either (not until he finally opens the death camps, anyway). As somebody said, the dude looks mostly like a fairly standard politician trying desperately to sway public opinion and save his job. His biggest obstacle is going to be the fact that his own formidable propaganda skills are getting totally blown out of the water by Fox News and Co. Nothing he does will EVER be painted in a positive light by those forces (admittedly, much like Bush in the leftist rags) and a lot of people will actually be hoping for more disasters to usher him out... kinda like hating a head coach so much that you actually root for your team to collapse just to get the guy fired.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby gotribe31 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:50 pm

Orenthal wrote:
gotribe31 wrote:
Orenthal wrote:Can't have a serious debate here becuase the loudest and proudest pretend to be something grander...

JB states that Obama isn't a socialist. When called on it he states you have to isolate the man to one decision? How can you label a guy anything if you only judge him on single actions? As if any politician is a 100% ideologue... Even Sharrod Brown stated he would vote against cap and trade. That must make him, not Sharrod Brown...


Sharrod Brown is helping the only Senator (from Vermont) who actually self-identifies as a socalist fillibuster the tax deal. He's not voting against cap and trade because he doesn't want it, he's voting against cap and trade because he's a Senator from Ohio and there are already too few people working there for him to survive backing legislation that would further cripple manufacturing businesses. He's voting to get re-elected, which means he's actually voting the way the people he represents wants, which is actually a welcome departure from most politicians I suppose.


Which is my point. Even Sharrod Brown sometimes votes against HIS grain. To isolate that one vote and claim he is something other then ULTRA LEFT is absurd. I have no freaking clue wtf JB is trying to prove about Obama by one calculated vote, as if it nullifies the previous 49 years of his life...


I know, thats what I was saying. Politicans do everything to get re-elected. They shake hands, kiss babies, kiss asses and vote in ways that will keep them in office. The Adams and Jeffersonian ideals of citizen legislators that spend a few years in Washington and then go home to their farms or factories is dead.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:54 pm

You need farms and factories for that to work though...

Now it's get into office, stay as long as you can, and if/when you get ousted join the lecture circuit.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby JJN » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:26 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Deer don't eat meat, moron.


Guess your poisoned ass is getting ate:

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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:05 am

That's Communist propaganda. Russian deer and all.
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Re: Maybe I shouldn't

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:16 pm

Centrist my ass

I dare jb to produce one link to one post where he ever called George Bush by his first name, let alone a nickname.....
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