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by peeker643 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:22 pm
by papacass » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:35 pm
by Ziner » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:44 pm
by FUDU » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:46 pm
Ziner wrote:I can't blame any joe-shmoe for hooking his boxcar up to the money train and chasing the dollars. Windy does a hell of a job, he will be irrelevant and underpaid (opposed to the dollars thrown at him) if he stays in Cleveland. Ain't like the dude has made 80 million in his career thus far, money probably is an object to him.
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:48 pm
papacass wrote:I can't see how he wouldn't follow LBJ around. He's widely regarded as the pre-eminent expert on LeBron. Why would he stay here and cover a LeBron-less team? It's a waste of his connections.
Before we get set to throw the Windy out with the Bronwater, he does deserve his props. He knows himself some NBA, and he's very well-versed in the complexities of player movement rules and the NBA salary cap. The NBA cap is probably the most complicated document this side of the IRS. I learned a lot about the ins and outs of how the NBA does business by reading Windy.
That's how the game is played. And people wonder why the journalism profession is going to hell in a Vuitton shoulder bag.
by Ziner » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:54 pm
by aoxo1 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:55 pm
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:59 pm
by papacass » Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:59 pm
peeker643 wrote:And a guy that good with all those connections has only the option to be a whore kneeling before LBJ or stay here with the LBJ-less Cavs? That's it? I really doubt that.
by papacass » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:06 pm
GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:I don't see moving to ESPN.com as a hindrance to his growth as a journalist. If he stayed with the PD, that would hinder his career. He's reached the pinnacle of his PD career. Won't ever be covering someone like LeBron, won't have the freelance opportunities, won't be known nationally. If he stays here, his career is what it is and won't be anything else. You do what you gotta do to move up, and if Windhorst moves up, good for him.
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:15 pm
by Ziner » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:28 pm
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:42 pm
Ziner wrote:He has coat-tailed of LBJ his entire career though. Quick name the OKC Thunder or Minnesota Timberwolves beat writer. The biggest reason people have heard of Brian Windhorst is LeBron James, he is just continuing that association before he becomes irrelevant. Getting scoops on the Mo Williams trade to Golden State ain't going to get him interviews on ESPNEWS.
by jb » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:46 pm
papacass wrote:I can't see how he wouldn't follow LBJ around.
by jb » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:54 pm
FUDU wrote:Ziner wrote:I can't blame any joe-shmoe for hooking his boxcar up to the money train and chasing the dollars. Windy does a hell of a job, he will be irrelevant and underpaid (opposed to the dollars thrown at him) if he stays in Cleveland. Ain't like the dude has made 80 million in his career thus far, money probably is an object to him.
Agreed, and if he was with the ABJ originally he probably never like the CPD anyway.
by Ziner » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:54 pm
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:04 pm
by skatingtripods » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:10 pm
by Ziner » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:13 pm
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:16 pm
skatingtripods wrote:Come on McPeek. If Windhorst is going to finish his re-imagining of the King James Bible, he has to re-assume his servile position of tossed salad or footlongs for each meal of the day.
by Orenthal » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:17 pm
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:21 pm
Ziner wrote:I know I dont know the details, I was just throwing out a number. (how much does he bring in you guess? I was thinking 125K-150K). I mean how much can the PD afford and fly him all over the country to every game.
Yeah I get it. I just figure if he wants to take the career risk of becoming LBJ's lap dog then who cares.
I wasn't trying to put you down on your Cleveland-centric view. I just think sometimes the people outside the area can put a little perspective on a story like this. If you dont want perspective I have no problem shutting the hell up. Sometimes people just don't want to hear it, I know I dont sometimes. I have and do listen and read the Chicago and Denver media when I lived in those respective cities. It becomes clear how little most cities care about other cities outside of the major ESPN-type stories.
Lebron was talked about on Denver radio for 3-4 days tops. Then they didn't give a shit anymore, except for when they relate it to Carmelo. If that was the reaction to that story I just dont think the common fan in this area gives two shits about Windy and his reputation.
Whatever, maybe I should just STFU when it comes to taking more money to leave Cleveland. I did the first chance I got, not paticularly to leave the city, but for the money. That said, if given the choice between equal money and many cities in the country I would take Cleveland. Almost moved back before we came to Colorado, was plenty happy about it when I thought it was going to happen.
by jb » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:24 pm
peeker643 wrote:You don't know the details of the deal anymore than I do Z.
And again, as I argued with e0y2e3 a month or so ago, all I have is the Cleveland parochial viewpoint. I'm sorry man. This is where I am. Where I've always been.
I don't have a world view on Windy or LBJ leaving. I have this view from right here in the middle of the shit.
So yeah, guilty as charged when I give a provincial, geo-fucking-centric view of a given event.
It's all I got man.
Like I said, congrats to him on the bump in pay. Congrats to him for being part of a 6 person media team following the Heat where he'll get lost in all the noise but do so with more benjamins lining his wallet. People in Miami may not care where he was before. But people in the business will be quick to note that when LBJ whistled his bitch came a running.
Fair or unfair.
by Ziner » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:27 pm
by papacass » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:30 pm
jb wrote:papacass wrote:I can't see how he wouldn't follow LBJ around.
Because he ripped LBJ at the end of all of it as bad as any of us? And now he'd be doing same? I don't care what he does. Unlike his fan club I see him as JAG. I admire the hard work of beat reporters in season, esp NBA and MLB with that grind, but they all basically do the same thing.
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:32 pm
jb wrote:peeker643 wrote:You don't know the details of the deal anymore than I do Z.
And again, as I argued with e0y2e3 a month or so ago, all I have is the Cleveland parochial viewpoint. I'm sorry man. This is where I am. Where I've always been.
I don't have a world view on Windy or LBJ leaving. I have this view from right here in the middle of the shit.
So yeah, guilty as charged when I give a provincial, geo-fucking-centric view of a given event.
It's all I got man.
Like I said, congrats to him on the bump in pay. Congrats to him for being part of a 6 person media team following the Heat where he'll get lost in all the noise but do so with more benjamins lining his wallet. People in Miami may not care where he was before. But people in the business will be quick to note that when LBJ whistled his bitch came a running.
Fair or unfair.
We get the last laugh, peeker.
Imagine that fat kid swaeting his balls off down there, and he'll have to take his shirt off on the beach, right?

by jb » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:55 pm
papacass wrote:jb wrote:papacass wrote:I can't see how he wouldn't follow LBJ around.
Because he ripped LBJ at the end of all of it as bad as any of us? And now he'd be doing same? I don't care what he does. Unlike his fan club I see him as JAG. I admire the hard work of beat reporters in season, esp NBA and MLB with that grind, but they all basically do the same thing.
Windy is a good beat reporter, though. He flat-out is. It's not subjective. The guy knows his stuff. He educates his readers, as I said upthread.
To clarify, I'm not going to try to convince anyone that Windy walks on water. He can be a good fundamental team beat reporter and LBJ fanboy at the same time. The good exists with the bad. It has for seven years.
As for Windy ripping LBJ in the aftermath of ESPN's rendition of Prince's "Jack U Off," that won't have any lasting effect. When Bron-Bron said he's taking notes of everyone who said bad things about him, he thought he meant "EVERYONE," but he really meant guys like Chuckles and Jimmy Kimmel. Windy unloaded on Bron on WKNR. I doubt Bron even knows there is a radio station called WKNR.
by jb » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:56 pm
peeker643 wrote:
by peeker643 » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:59 pm
jb wrote:peeker643 wrote:
Pretty sure Windy has arms, Peeker. Unless he files stories speech to text.
by jb » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:00 pm
peeker643 wrote:jb wrote:peeker643 wrote:
Pretty sure Windy has arms, Peeker. Unless he files stories speech to text.
He's probably got them both wrapped around a couple fucking turkey legs.
Duh...
by papacass » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:28 pm
jb wrote:BTW - he never educated me. he told me Bron was going to stay right up until the end.
by Love child of shawn kemp » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:36 am
by motherscratcher » Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:14 pm
Love child of shawn kemp wrote:So much for that tell all Lebron book that was rumored. Maybe ESPN is hiring Windy to be the bad guy in a two man, good writer/bad writer tag team coverage. One guy can kiss LBJ's ass and the other can rip LeIso when Miami finishes 3rd in the East.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:44 pm
by mattvan1 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:59 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Being an expert on Lebron is like being an expert on turds.
by dmiles » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:24 pm

by papacass » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:48 pm
by peeker643 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:28 pm
dmiles wrote:I am impressed that you all care... I am having a hard time following the NBA and don't even open my google reader (grabs twitter feeds) with all the "tweterers" that ey0 recommended. In the past I'd know every angle discussed about the Melo situation, now I don't even know what teams are involved in the rumors other than hearing his name on the Radio as potentially asking for a trade.
by Orenthal » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:31 pm
by papacass » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:22 pm
Orenthal wrote:We just really neeeded that fat ass center to do some bangin' down low.
by Orenthal » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:37 pm
by papacass » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:27 am
by FUDU » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:51 am
87-93 Duckworth was actually decent, hard to remember him being that back then though, probably b/c there was actually numerous good centers in the league back then. Wrong time and place for him back then.Orenthal wrote:^You and me both. Although I don't even need someone of that ilk. I'm looking for more of a Duckworth type guy, basically just a big body with no offensive skill-set. All our bigs are now skinny and athletic, but far from being able to hold ground.
ETA
Holy crap Duckworth had some serviceable if not All-Star years. I was speaking nore or less '92-'93 on...
by Orenthal » Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:33 pm
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:57 am
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by papacass » Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:10 pm
by Triple-S » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:03 pm
Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

by motherscratcher » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:40 pm
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