The Rebuild

[e0y2e3]

I love the Brewer and Reddick deals, fair money for good guards.

[Orenthal]

Windy still pushing the idea that we eventually make a deal with Kahn and the Timberwolves. Now not only mentioning Sessions, but the newly arrived Kosta Koufos as part of a deal. Love Sessions, eh on Koufos, outside of the fact he may have upside and is tall.

[mattvan1]

Windy still pushing the idea that we eventually make a deal with Kahn and the Timberwolves. Now not only mentioning Sessions, but the newly arrived Kosta Koufos as part of a deal. Love Sessions, eh on Koufos, outside of the fact he may have upside and is tall.

Great. Z finally leaves and we get his less talented Greek step brother. Canton. Buckeyes. Sure to be a fan favorite for the next 10 mediocre years. Maybe even a "Cleveland sports institution"

Fuck me.

[CP]

If Kahn wants to throw Koufos in a trade, screw all you, I'd take him. He's a 21 yr old, 7 ft center. He can at least stretch the floor a bit with a jump shot. Bigs sometimes take years to develop and he came out 2-3 years too early (developmentally). Has no injury history that I can recall.

Acting like you build around him is laughable; he serves a purpose as a rotating, developmental big.

[Orenthal]

I understand Matt's point. All depends on the terms of any deal...

[mattvan1]

If Kahn wants to throw Koufos in a trade, screw all you, I'd take him. He's a 21 yr old, 7 ft center. He can at least stretch the floor a bit with a jump shot. Bigs sometimes take years to develop and he came out 2-3 years too early (developmentally). Has no injury history that I can recall.

Acting like you build around him is laughable; he serves a purpose as a rotating, developmental big.

Easy there CP. KK=Z is just a bit of satire to get your Sunday morning off to a good start. I still could see a completely irrational love affair with this guy by generic Cleveland fan, however.

[SoulDawg74]

If Kahn wants to throw Koufos in a trade, screw all you, I'd take him. He's a 21 yr old, 7 ft center. He can at least stretch the floor a bit with a jump shot. Bigs sometimes take years to develop and he came out 2-3 years too early (developmentally). Has no injury history that I can recall.

Acting like you build around him is laughable; he serves a purpose as a rotating, developmental big.

Easy there CP. KK=Z is just a bit of satire to get your Sunday morning off to a good start. I still could see a completely irrational love affair with this guy by generic Cleveland fan, however.

SD:

Yepper , we're about as susceptible now as a 16 year old rebounding from her
first heart throb loss.

SoulDawg

[e0y2e3]

Honestly, Kahn should trade Koufos, just because he is already paying $33MM for two other shitty Euro centers.

As for us grabbing him, feh. I could care less one way or another.

[CP]

Easy there CP. KK=Z is just a bit of satire to get your Sunday morning off to a good start. I still could see a completely irrational love affair with this guy by generic Cleveland fan, however.

I hear you, wasn't replying to just you. Koufos was brought up in another thread as well, and was summarily trashed there as basically not worthy of existing on a rebuilding NBA roster. I just disagree and think he's the right type of guy to bring here due to his age, size, and potential for developing a skill-set that isn't that easy to come across.

[e0y2e3]

Koufos had plenty of chances in Utah and his attitude kept getting him sent to the D-League

That said, yeah you can do worse for a third big.

But EOD, he still doesn't matter.

He still has s h i t for hands, is still soft as hell and still is a gaping vagina w/ serious head-case issues.

[e0y2e3]

Scott on the new era:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... cavs071710

[SoulDawg74]

Easy there CP. KK=Z is just a bit of satire to get your Sunday morning off to a good start. I still could see a completely irrational love affair with this guy by generic Cleveland fan, however.

I hear you, wasn't replying to just you. Koufos was brought up in another thread as well, and was summarily trashed there as basically not worthy of existing on a rebuilding NBA roster. I just disagree and think he's the right type of guy to bring here due to his age, size, and potential for developing a skill-set that isn't that easy to come across.

SD:

Since we have zero as in nada a person on this roster to fit the true center spot limited cap space
and no ammo to trade for better , a flyer on a clunker still beats a leap into a dry pool.

If he can leap two inches off the floor and doesn't spend the next three years inactive recovering
from foot surgery he'll be a better investment than "Z" when you factor in actual contributions
in his early career.

Better than a dead body until we can replace him with better or allow enough time to see if he can develop.

He's worth 6 fouls netting Howard fouls to the grill Andy won't have to take.

SoulDawg


SoulDawg

[CP]

From Finnan today: http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/07/18/sports/nh2786330.txt

NOTE: Before people go all red-ass here, it's not Finnan I'm quoting but Byron Scott.

Another year playing in Spain is not going to do any good for Christian Eyenga. There are some observers who think he needs to sign with the Cavs this year. The Cavs say they haven't decided yet.

But maybe they have.

"He's a work in progress," Scott said. "I love the way he's progressing. He's learning. This is very important for him. When we get to veteran's camp, that will speed up his progress."

Seems like they're at least leaning toward bringing Eyenga over. I assume to put him in camp and then send him to the D-League to get major minutes.

[e0y2e3]

They absolutely, 100% should bring him over.

No reason to not give him NBA minutes now, since we are in rebuild. Better to teach him the trade itself then the Euro version of it.

[CP]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16853

I know little of the writer for Hoopsworld, but seems to indicate Cavs are frontrunners for Sessions and that it's basically a Sessions/Koufos for West swap. Could do much worse than a 24 yr old PG and 21 yr old C for a guy who isn't going to be on the team next season.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16853

I know little of the writer for Hoopsworld, but seems to indicate Cavs are frontrunners for Sessions and that it's basically a Sessions/Koufos for West swap. Could do much worse than a 24 yr old PG and 21 yr old C for a guy who isn't going to be on the team next season.

I'd do that deal, even with Koufos involved (who I could care less about, wasn't impressed at OSU and he couldn't even see the floor in Utah). I haven't seen much of Sessions; is he more of a Mo, penetrating, shoot-first PG or does he actually have PG chops? Can they work together with Mo as the shooting guard?

[papacass]

Starting backcourt next year might be Sessions and Matt Barnes, with Mo either coming off the bench or being traded.

I'd like to see Gilbert and Grant keep an open mind toward bringing in Richard Jefferson. Windy reported that Jefferson does have an interest in coming to the Cavs, probably because Byron Scott is here.

Jefferson wants a long-term deal and the Cavs don't really want a half-decade of a guy who just turned 30. That's understandable. But if it gets toward September and Jefferson still doesn't find a long-term deal to his liking, that might be the time for the Cavs to swoop in and try to get him for three years or less.

If Gilbert is serious about circumventing a total rebuild, he'll need a go-to scorer like Jefferson. He did slip to 12 PPG last year, but because he was playing behind the Spurs' big three. Make him the first or second option, and he can still give you 19-21 PPG.

[Calis32]

I thought Matt Barnes was more of a SF than a SG. If so, you'd probably see Mo & Barnes both starting with Mo as the 2.

[papacass]

I thought Matt Barnes was more of a SF than a SG. If so, you'd probably see Mo & Barnes both starting with Mo as the 2.

Mo is 6'-1". If he's not starting as a 1, he's not starting.

[swerb]

I thought Matt Barnes was more of a SF than a SG. If so, you'd probably see Mo & Barnes both starting with Mo as the 2.

Mo is 6'-1". If he's not starting as a 1, he's not starting.

Yeah, the Mo/Sessions, or even Mo/Boobie backcourt that Byron Scott (we need a nickname for him) insanely alluded to would be a fiasco defensively ... especially with the size and scoring ability of the 2's in the East right now.

Bottom line, Mo Williams is a huge liability defensively. Teams began picking on him at 2008 Damon Jones like levels this past season. He needs to be at like 17 and 9 or score 20+ a game to be a net positive on the floor for 35 minutes a night. He'd be a much better fit for a team that really likes to get out and run (not just say they want to like we are) and consistently plays in the 100's. I'd love to see the Cavs deal him.

[fundamentals]

Matt Barnes is now a Toronto Raptor per ESPN.

[CP]

Good for Barnes. $5 mil/year for a 30 yr old SF with a limited offensive game is exactly what the Cavs did not need.

[Larvell Blanks]

Looks like it's not a done deal just yet.

WojYahooNBA For Matt Barnes-to-Toronto, a league source says, "The sign and trade (scenario) is dead." Blamed on a "miscalculation" somewhere in talks.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5393637

Sources told ESPN.com that the teams will resume discussions Tuesday, as planned all along, with the intent of landing Barnes with the Raptors via sign-and-trade.

Yet no such deal could be assured as of midnight, raising the possibility that Barnes would have to accept new terms to sign with the Raptors or that other teams that have been chasing Barnes will get another shot at him if the deal collapses.

Since Toronto recently spent the bulk of its $5.8 million mid-level exception to sign Linas Kleiza, it doesn't have the available funds to sign Barnes outright to a deal that starts in the neighborhood of $4 million.

The Magic, though, are prevented by salary-cap rules from starting a sign-and-trade deal for Barnes at higher than $2 million, because Orlando doesn't have Barnes' full Bird rights after employing him for only one season. A sign-and-trade deal would also have to span at least three years, although only the first year is required to be guaranteed

[Gradysmanldy]

Barnes is a decent complimentary peice on a team that has scorers at the 2 guard or PF position. (Orlando and Phoenix were great choices) At this point, if you put him, parker, and AV on the floor together it would be an absolute abortion, regardless of the PF and PG.

I'd prefer to see Boobie traded, as his game running the point is sub-par and we don't need a bevvy of shooters to space the floor for LeQuit. Sessions/Telfair at the point with Mo and Twan coming off the bench to provide scoring wouldn't be horrible, and might effectively manage Mo's defensive shortcomings. (Provided they can get a SF/SG in free agency that can score and play defense)

Lots of options, but limited by the amount of players available. Would have loved me some Reddick or Morrow at the 2.

[Orenthal]

Please God someone explain to me how signing Barnes makes any sense? He doesn't make the massive difference in wins that dictate any future move, isn't young, and would be duplicating in most regards two guys you already have on the roster (Moon and Parker)

This makes less sense then taking fliers on guys that you flip at the trade deadline. Less sense the bringing Shaq back on board.

[WarAdmiral]

FWIW Eyenga is in Cleveland. I like this kid, hope he figures it all out.

[Orenthal]

Eyenga make 1,000 times more sense then Barnes.

[mattvan1]

Eyenga make 1,000 times more sense then Barnes.

No way, man. I'll take "Bad News" any day of the week.

[fundamentals]

Why not set your sights on this Barnes?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball ... rnes-67225

[Orenthal]

^Tru dat. Watching the last few weeks of Cavalier activity has me fully off of any plug-and-play ideas. Everything should be done to gain future flexibility and draft picks. Only additions I want to this team are young bucks that will not create too many wins next year.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

Why not set your sights on this Barnes?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball ... rnes-67225

Because trashing the season so we can spend another seven years kowtowing to someone who'll flee at the first chance they get is about as appealing as letting Phil Savage back in as Browns GM.

[fundamentals]

Why not set your sights on this Barnes?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball ... rnes-67225

Because trashing the season so we can spend another seven years kowtowing to someone who'll flee at the first chance they get is about as appealing as letting Phil Savage back in as Browns GM.

I don't want to see the Cavaliers tank the season either. But, I would rather have the Barnes who play for UNC next season rather than Matt Barnes, just my preference.

[Gradysmanldy]

With a glowing report like this, in the only position the Cavs offer depth at (4 PF's on the roster already) I find it hard not to be jubilant about this pickup.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Samardo-Samuels-1111/

[jclvd_23]

Cavs sign Joey Graham to a two year deal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... cavs073010

[Orenthal]

Is that to back up Jawad Williams? I don't really understand, unless Parker is on the move.

[CP]

I had assumed they'd move Parker at some point... Parker was over 28 mpg last year, James at 39 mpg, so those minutes will be available in the backcourt.

I assume Boobie is going to get much of Delonte's time (25 mpg) unless Mo is moved and he backs up Sessions, in which case there are those minutes available too.

[CP]

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/cavaliers.jsp

Looks like the best site for NBA salary cap information (note, not best FAQ, that belongs to Larry Coon: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm).

Haven't been able to test it's accuracy (or inaccuracy) but it looks good for showing which team holds Bird Rights for players, cap holds, etc). Funny that Lakers still hold and haven't ever relinquished Bird Rights to Horace Grant, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw, Karl Malone, Jim Jackson, et al.