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by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:12 pm

by SoulDawg74 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:12 pm
SoulDawg74 wrote:jb wrote:SoulDawg74 wrote:jb wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:And just for shits and giggles, Kevin Durant, Michael Redd, Chauncy Billups, etc.....
Money, young talent and the chance for rings wins out 99.999999999% of the time.
The Browns are the biggest joke in the NFL but because Lerner has thrown big money at people they have signed there. So goes the sports world.
Stop being a self loathing Clevelander for a minute.
Or you could START pretending to be a Clevelander for a second?
SD:
Whaaaa
You don't like the emperors new rags.
Hell he was all the rage when dissin on us mere serfs.
SoulDawg
Don't need your trolling black ass today old man. Fuckin go ram a rack of Staples in ur rib hole and STFU too. Try to boot me when I'm down after a long on line relationship. Fuck you, this is persojnal. And for some sofetware reason I didn't get your pm Grovelling to me to have your back on another site. But I would have.
I just don't. I'm still hurting and not ashamed to write it.
You've never been a Cavs fan. Stoip ur bullshit for one day.
SD:
When your punk Funky white ass still had your mammies titty milk stinkin
off your breath , I was cheering for the Cavs and anything good which happenned in Cleveland.
Pardon me if I ain't buring down my house because your mad Lebron done Yanked his cock outta your throat and your mad you missed yourtun to suckle that bitch.
Gilbert was right , Fuckhim , don't let the door hit ya in the ass
and fuck you classless pantsy ass bitches who ain't got what it tales to handle the shit like a
man .
You melty classless little schoolgirl privileged cocksuckin Hunky Beeyatch.
Nobody questions my loyalty so Fuck you very much mutha Fucka
SoulDawg
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by motherscratcher » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:15 pm
by skatingtripods » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:16 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:But as Mr. Billionaire and head of the franchise it's own Gilbert to not respond like a six year old.
by jb » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:16 pm
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:17 pm
skatingtripods wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:But as Mr. Billionaire and head of the franchise it's own Gilbert to not respond like a six year old.
I'm sorry man, but your take is off because you simply cannot relate. You have to get into the psyche of living in Cleveland to comprehend Gilbert's letter. It's a resounding rallying cry to the fan base of a team located in a city that constantly gets kicked while it's down. LBJ was what the city had going for it economically. The nationally televised games that painted the night skyline in a beautiful light. The way the city rallied behind and embraced Lebron, a guy who has been a notorious asshole to most of the rest of the country.
And you've got Dan Gilbert, a businessman, who knows he just lost a couple hundred mil and he's pissed about it. I said in my other post it was unprofessional. But it wasn't wrong. It was designed to rally the fan base and try to ease the worries of season ticket holders. It was also to deflect blame from himself and keep people believing in him.
It's a totally childish rant. One I laughed at last night and could do so because I hate LBJ, always have, and have always held the same stance on him. It's an embarrassment to him in the national media, but what the fuck do Clevelanders care because the national media has always embarrassed us and we're immune to it.
You're in an area where the sports teams get blown regularly, whether it be by local publication or national media. You're in an area where the sports scene will continue to thrive. You know how many downtown bar owners here pondered crying themselves to sleep last night? You know how many downtown restaurants were dependent on the 19,500 in the Q on game nights? You know how many local sports bars are going to feel the crunch? In your area, the Celtics will undoubtedly make the playoffs. The Red Sox will play meaningful games in September and usually October. The Patriots will make the playoffs. We now have none of those three.
The Tribe is last in attendance. The Lake Erie Monsters may outdraw the Cavs on some nights depending on how the rest of the offseason goes.
You simply cannot fathom that. And it's no fault of your own. You live somewhere else. But for long-time, or lifelong Clevelanders, we got kicked in the face in more ways than the best player on the team leaving. We got hammered economically yet again. And Dan Gilbert did too. And that's the purpose of his letter. It's not to cry and bitch like a 6-year-old whose father told her that she couldn't watch Phineas & Ferb. It's to save face with the fan base by looking like The Incredible Hulk.
Like I said earlier: Professional? No way. What the fan base needed to hear: Absolutely.

by jb » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:20 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Yeah.
And Gilbert hurt this team be acting like that period. Not to mention that, as I said, he's shown no ability to be the owner of this team w/ out letting his emotions dictate his decisions.
Those are my problems.
Fuck, I hope someone finds a way to burn LBJ's Billboard down here, I just don't want it to be Gilbert.
by skatingtripods » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:21 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Please, as Hiko said, this letter will be forgot by the fans in a couple of weeks.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:22 pm

by FUDU » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:24 pm
Some similarity to Carmen Policy's comments after Bottlegate, no? He didn't condone, just understood the frame of mind, problem is when you don't condone it is condemning somehow, WTF made up that stupid rule.skatingtripods wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:Please, as Hiko said, this letter will be forgot by the fans in a couple of weeks.
Maybe. Depends on how Gilbert follows it up. Nobody is naive enough to believe that the Cavs will win a title before LBJ.
Seeing an owner go to battle for the fan base rather than move the team in the middle of night, bitch about the inherent financial discrepancies of the game, or care more about his soccer team will go a long way with some people.
by jb » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:25 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:It's not that at all JB. We still got a team, one that is in a tough spot going forward. I don't want an owner doing things to make this worse on that team. This is a clusterfuck and we got fucked, no need for the man in charge to make things tougher.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:27 pm

by SoulDawg74 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:29 pm
:e0y2e3 wrote:It's not that at all JB. We still got a team, one that is in a tough spot going forward. I don't want an owner doing things to make this worse on that team. This is a clusterfuck and we got fucked, no need for the man in charge to make things tougher.
by jb » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:32 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:I've said my peace on it, I'll give you more then a day and when you go through your process I'm sure you'll get it.
by SoulDawg74 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:42 pm
jb wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:I've said my peace on it, I'll give you more then a day and when you go through your process I'm sure you'll get it.
It's "piece" Hopkins.
And yeah, just give us one day to pout, piss, drink, cry, punch, whatever.
MJ just left his espoused beloved and joined the Pistons in 1990.
I had to watch Art Modell wathc the Lombardi Trophy, OK?
I feel like that today.
Dig?
One day.
That's all.
PS - Greg SDS74 is a cunt
by cozmeesah » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:46 pm
by jb » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:51 pm
by jb » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:00 pm
by SoulDawg74 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:13 pm
jb wrote:PS - face to face?
Dip shit, you're 60 and crippled from stroke.
Shit.
by RickNashEquilibrium » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:14 pm
by statmasta » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:16 pm
by CP » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:17 pm
by SoulDawg74 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:23 pm
RickNashEquilibrium wrote:I think what EY is trying to say is that an OWNERS word is going to be much more scrutinized than a players word. When LeBron did what he did, sure he looks like an ass an a lot of people now dislike him if they didn't before. Still, he got his way and is now playing alongside 2 of the best players in the league and in a better position to win than he was previously. Dan Gilbert has no such boast. His anger and ensuing reaction have MUCH MUCH bigger repercussions. He still owns the team in Cleveland and his actions/words solely represent the franchise. I absolutely FEEL the same way as Gilbert, but as an owner and considering his position, there have to be better courses of action to vent your frustration than the manner in which he did.
Reactionary thinking = you like what Gilbert did because the owner touts himself as the common man
Logically thinking = Gilbert's enabling and subsequent loss of Lebron have hurt the Cavs long term and, with his line of thinking, will continue to build a team around free agents and lack youthful depth for years to come.
by peeker643 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:24 pm
CP wrote:This is why I said immediately that I felt two emotions. Part of me was immediately geeked and empowered and vindicated, and that emotion still exists. The other part of me, that wants a shot at relevant Cavs basketball as quickly as possible, had no choice but to cringe.
by aoxo1 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:28 pm
peeker643 wrote:CP wrote:This is why I said immediately that I felt two emotions. Part of me was immediately geeked and empowered and vindicated, and that emotion still exists. The other part of me, that wants a shot at relevant Cavs basketball as quickly as possible, had no choice but to cringe.
Yep. You can feel and understand both those sides.
If that letter (and the James departure) defines Gilbert's ownership era he will have failed. If it's an interesting sidenote to a long, successful Gilbert ownership era then it will simply enhance the legacy.
I have no problem with him taking the shot. But very soon he has to let the scabs form and the healing begin.
YMMV
by RickNashEquilibrium » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:32 pm
by motherscratcher » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:35 pm
RickNashEquilibrium wrote:I think what EY is trying to say is that an OWNERS word is going to be much more scrutinized than a players word. When LeBron did what he did, sure he looks like an ass an a lot of people now dislike him if they didn't before. Still, he got his way and is now playing alongside 2 of the best players in the league and in a better position to win than he was previously. Dan Gilbert has no such boast. His anger and ensuing reaction have MUCH MUCH bigger repercussions. He still owns the team in Cleveland and his actions/words solely represent the franchise. I absolutely FEEL the same way as Gilbert, but as an owner and considering his position, there have to be better courses of action to vent your frustration than the manner in which he did.
Reactionary thinking = you like what Gilbert did because the owner touts himself as the common man
Logically thinking = Gilbert's enabling and subsequent loss of Lebron have hurt the Cavs long term and, with his line of thinking, will continue to build a team around free agents and lack youthful depth for years to come.
by Triple-S » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:37 pm
Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:37 pm

by Larvell Blanks » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:40 pm
by Prosecutor » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:51 pm
by Hi Oktane » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:22 pm
Larvell Blanks wrote:The Letter was the exact thing I needed to see before I went to sleep last night. It showed me that the owner was not going to take a whoa is me approach. I think it pulled a lot of fans off the ledge last night. However, Gilbert needs to end it there. The emotional reaction is out, it was said, it's done.

by davemanddd » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:26 pm
by CP » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:33 pm
by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:35 pm
Hi Oktane wrote:Larvell Blanks wrote:The Letter was the exact thing I needed to see before I went to sleep last night. It showed me that the owner was not going to take a whoa is me approach. I think it pulled a lot of fans off the ledge last night. However, Gilbert needs to end it there. The emotional reaction is out, it was said, it's done.
^^^^This.
'course, "it's done" to me merely means TMLP has to be done with the public rants; it does not mean he can't leak all Jester James' dirty little secrets.
by fundamentals » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:43 pm

by peeker643 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:49 pm
One of my first ESPN.com columns was titled, "Is Clemens the Antichrist?" It covered how my relationship changed with Roger Clemens as a Red Sox fan -- in five years, he went from my favorite baseball player to my least favorite athlete in any sport -- and how the turning point happened in 1996, when Clemens signed with Toronto and showed no remorse at the ensuing news conference.
I still remember seeing that Blue Jays cap squeezed on his fat stupid face for 45 solid minutes, waiting for him to throw Red Sox fans a bone, waiting for him to say anything that would make me think, "Regardless of how this turned out, the past 12 years meant something to me," or "Just know that this happened because of Boston's front office, not their great fans." He only threw us a couple of canned comments, the same way someone would throw table scraps to a dog. I remember how angry it made me. I remember wanting to whip my remote control through the television, then realizing that I couldn't afford a new one. I remember taking down my autographed photo of Clemens' 20th strikeout against Seattle and sticking it in a closet. I remember thinking that I would never like sports quite as much ever again.
So when Clemens went to Toronto, got in shape, won two straight Cy Youngs and forced a trade to the Yankees, really, a column called "Is Clemens the Antichrist?" became inevitable as soon as I found a bigger forum to write it. I hated that guy as much as you could hate a professional athlete without things getting creepy.
And you know what? What LeBron did to Cleveland last night was worse. Much worse.
It's one thing to leave. I get it. You're 25. You don't know any better. You're tired of carrying mediocre teams. You want help. You want the luxury of not having to play a remarkable game every single night for eight straight months. You want to live in South Beach. You want to play with your buddies. I get it. I get it. But turning that decision into a one-hour special, pretending that it hadn't been decided weeks ago, using a charity as your cover-up and ramming a pitchfork in Cleveland's back like you were at the end of a Friday the 13th movie and Cleveland was Jason ... there just had to be a better way.
by Larvell Blanks » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:52 pm
by fundamentals » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:57 pm
Larvell Blanks wrote:^^ At least he shook hands w/ the rep from U of Phoenix
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**welcome back

by peeker643 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:15 pm

by gameface » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:18 pm
peeker643 wrote: And to be fair to Lee, every one of the ex-pats I have talked to feel the same way he does about it.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:58 pm

by Dellucci TailGator » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:04 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:http://www.clevescene.com/64-and-counting/archives/2010/07/09/a-surreal-night-in-downtown-cleveland-with-tom-green-and-the-cleveland-browns
by motherscratcher » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:07 pm
by aoxo1 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:09 pm
Dellucci TailGator wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:http://www.clevescene.com/64-and-counting/archives/2010/07/09/a-surreal-night-in-downtown-cleveland-with-tom-green-and-the-cleveland-browns
More surreal than Tom Green was the fact that a guy showed up to watch him wearing a Kelly Shoppach jersey.
How hard did the people in the Indians team shop laugh at that guy while bagging that one up for him?
by furls » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:50 pm
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:51 pm

by Orenthal » Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:59 pm
jb wrote:A "manor" is an abode, Hopkins.
A petulent little bitch, eh.
Really. Just take a day off.
Guess the wastland of you, OJ, Bow owow and 3 retards didn't work out, eh?
by mattvan1 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:22 pm
Even the children he and his team used as human shields didn’t help. He looked like he wanted to run out of the room and hide. He knew it looked horrible and that it was only going to get worse.
And then he started talking.
How did it get to that point? How did he never say, “Hold on. This is my life we’re talking about. You want me to go on TV and screw my hometown? Stick the knife in their backs in front of millions? That’s the pitch? For what? So everyone can hate me? So I can never go home again? OK, you are fired, you are fired, and you are fired. I don’t care if we were friends in 10th grade history, you’re an idiot and that is the worst idea since Kobe ordered room service.”
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