Will you watch?

[Hikohadon]

As has been said, he doesn't even live on the same planet as you or I. Don't try to apply your silly reason or logic to his understanding of the situation as you perceive it.

To put it terms of "getting it"....if this was the OSU/UM rivalry he's playing the part of Cooper.

Silly? Wow. I guess I didn't realize how stupid I was for assuming that some uncle or some friend might've pointed out to him how Art Modell was treated when he left, or that some media consultant might've let him know how public sentiment was swinging.

Should've known that he and everyone he listens to exists in a protective bubble of ignorance.

Silly me.

[JCoz]

As has been said, he doesn't even live on the same planet as you or I. Don't try to apply your silly reason or logic to his understanding of the situation as you perceive it.

To put it terms of "getting it"....if this was the OSU/UM rivalry he's playing the part of Cooper.

Silly? Wow. I guess I didn't realize how stupid I was for assuming that some uncle or some friend might've pointed out to him how Art Modell was treated when he left, or that some media consultant might've let him know how public sentiment was swinging.

Should've known that he and everyone he listens to exists in a protective bubble of ignorance.

Silly me.

Was kind of a sarcastic "silly" .... The post was partially tongue in cheek

[WiscTribeFan]

I don't think he cares how he's viewed at this point. If he did someone in his posse would have let him know that all this drama was actually pissing people off, and not just in NEO.

[JCoz]

As has been said, he doesn't even live on the same planet as you or I. Don't try to apply your silly reason or logic to his understanding of the situation as you perceive it.

To put it terms of "getting it"....if this was the OSU/UM rivalry he's playing the part of Cooper.

Silly? Wow. I guess I didn't realize how stupid I was for assuming that some uncle or some friend might've pointed out to him how Art Modell was treated when he left, or that some media consultant might've let him know how public sentiment was swinging.

Should've known that he and everyone he listens to exists in a protective bubble of ignorance.

Silly me.

Besides, I doubt he feels that he is in any way comparable to Modell.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

No one wants to play here. TMLP's resources are fixing to tank lik ethe South Florida housing market in 2008. Unless the casino shit is a big redistribution to prop up the Cavs, I'm not seeing TMLP having the resources - nor the vision, acumen, & patience to tank and rebuild from the bottom - to build a winner.

You're putting the trees together but you haven't quite grasped the forest yet. Two points:

1.) TMLP is big on the Pistons and Spurs. They're always competing, winning as often as they can, never voluntarily tanking, and every now and then they sneak a title or three. But they're always drawing. Why? Because they're competitive. If you build it, they will come, and they sure as hell will as long as MLB Monopoly has the Tribe bent over a table.

2.) Ever since Jordan's retirement, its been proven time and again that the best way to win a title is to have a roster combination of talent and subdued egos. Just ask the Lakers and Celtics. Unless you get that rare gem like Durant or Noah, all tanking nets you another spoiled McDonald's All-American fresh from the college turnstyle. Better to hoard assets and look for a disgruntled Paul Gasol or KG.

[Hikohadon]

As has been said, he doesn't even live on the same planet as you or I. Don't try to apply your silly reason or logic to his understanding of the situation as you perceive it.

To put it terms of "getting it"....if this was the OSU/UM rivalry he's playing the part of Cooper.

Silly? Wow. I guess I didn't realize how stupid I was for assuming that some uncle or some friend might've pointed out to him how Art Modell was treated when he left, or that some media consultant might've let him know how public sentiment was swinging.

Should've known that he and everyone he listens to exists in a protective bubble of ignorance.

Silly me.

Was kind of a sarcastic "silly" ....

Gotcha. Either way, it would be accurate and applicable.

Just sayin' that in today's media-soaked landscape - what between TV and the internet and wireless informational devices - and considering LeBron's huge need for attention/insecurity issues, I don't see how he's oblivious to what the public sentiment would be.

[Hikohadon]

As has been said, he doesn't even live on the same planet as you or I. Don't try to apply your silly reason or logic to his understanding of the situation as you perceive it.

To put it terms of "getting it"....if this was the OSU/UM rivalry he's playing the part of Cooper.

Silly? Wow. I guess I didn't realize how stupid I was for assuming that some uncle or some friend might've pointed out to him how Art Modell was treated when he left, or that some media consultant might've let him know how public sentiment was swinging.

Should've known that he and everyone he listens to exists in a protective bubble of ignorance.

Silly me.

Besides, I doubt he feels that he is in any way comparable to Modell.

Prolly true.

Insert "Boozer" instead. He was a firsthand witness to that one - probably felt some of the emotions himself.

[JCoz]

As has been said, he doesn't even live on the same planet as you or I. Don't try to apply your silly reason or logic to his understanding of the situation as you perceive it.

To put it terms of "getting it"....if this was the OSU/UM rivalry he's playing the part of Cooper.

Silly? Wow. I guess I didn't realize how stupid I was for assuming that some uncle or some friend might've pointed out to him how Art Modell was treated when he left, or that some media consultant might've let him know how public sentiment was swinging.

Should've known that he and everyone he listens to exists in a protective bubble of ignorance.

Silly me.

Was kind of a sarcastic "silly" ....

Gotcha. Either way, it would be accurate and applicable.

Just sayin' that in today's media-soaked landscape - what between TV and the internet and wireless informational devices - and considering LeBron's huge need for attention/insecurity issues, I don't see how he's oblivious to what the public sentiment would be.

I would hope you'd be right, but I have a nagging feeling he's pretty out of touch with the reality we live in.

I mean, if he was tuned in, someone would have warned him about the possibility of Favre like backlash he's receiving now.

[Hikohadon]

By the way, how do the ESPN guys involved with this fiasco not feel embarassed?

[swerb]

As has been said, he doesn't even live on the same planet as you or I. Don't try to apply your silly reason or logic to his understanding of the situation as you perceive it.

To put it terms of "getting it"....if this was the OSU/UM rivalry he's playing the part of Cooper.

Silly? Wow. I guess I didn't realize how stupid I was for assuming that some uncle or some friend might've pointed out to him how Art Modell was treated when he left, or that some media consultant might've let him know how public sentiment was swinging.

Should've known that he and everyone he listens to exists in a protective bubble of ignorance.

Silly me.

Was kind of a sarcastic "silly" ....

Gotcha. Either way, it would be accurate and applicable.

Just sayin' that in today's media-soaked landscape - what between TV and the internet and wireless informational devices - and considering LeBron's huge need for attention/insecurity issues, I don't see how he's oblivious to what the public sentiment would be.

I would hope you'd be right, but I have a nagging feeling he's pretty out of touch with the reality we live in.

I mean, if he was tuned in, someone would have warned him about the possibility of Favre like backlash he's receiving now.

Almost like Tony Hayward is managing LRMR.

[Hikohadon]

I would hope you'd be right, but I have a nagging feeling he's pretty out of touch with the reality we live in.

I mean, if he was tuned in, someone would have warned him about the possibility of Favre like backlash he's receiving now.

On one hand, yes.

On the other, they would remind him how quickly the backlash against Favre dissipated after the season began.

If he stays, Cleveland forgives him quickly enough. Fans in NY, Miami, and Chicago might be pissy, but they were never "his" fans in the first place. Maybe he doesn't mind giving them the giant finger.

If he goes, everything he's ever known - gone. High school friends, old coaches, the guy at the dry cleaning shop he's been going to for 10 years, the owner of his favorite local restaurant, his favorite local restaurant... everything he's been familiar with his whole life, gone.

There is a possibility he's oblivious to these facts, but he's never struck me as dumb/naive.

[noles1]

I'm not gonna watch. I'm enjoying the reading today though. Theraputic, really.

That said, I have no ambition to see Bron continue to tap his inner Andy Kaufmann. I've had enough.

[JCoz]

By the way, how do the ESPN guys involved with this fiasco not feel embarassed?

Why would they? Who has the embarrassment emotion plugged in when it comes to Television?

[Hikohadon]

By the way, how do the ESPN guys involved with this fiasco not feel embarassed?

Why would they? Who has the embarrassment emotion plugged in when it comes to Television?

I guess if the people on shows like The Bachelor/Bachelorette aren't embarassed, maybe self-awareness is truly an archaic concept.

[RIBrownsFan]

Why would they? Who has the embarrassment emotion plugged in when it comes to Television?

I guess if the people on shows like The Bachelor/Bachelorette aren't embarassed, maybe self-awareness is truly an archaic concept.[/quote]


I think the twitter generation has illustrated that being self-impressed is much easier.

[JCoz]

By the way, how do the ESPN guys involved with this fiasco not feel embarassed?

Why would they? Who has the embarrassment emotion plugged in when it comes to Television?

I guess if the people on shows like The Bachelor/Bachelorette aren't embarassed, maybe self-awareness is truly an archaic concept.

That's pretty much who I was thinking, throw in shows by anna nicole, flava flav, you name it bro.

I really do think there is no embarrassment on TV, just ratings chasers.

It's a total ends-justifies-means deal.

Hell have you seen a comedy central roast lately? That shit is no holds barred. No red faces on TV these days.

[papacass]

If he goes, everything he's ever known - gone. High school friends, old coaches, the guy at the dry cleaning shop he's been going to for 10 years, the owner of his favorite local restaurant, his favorite local restaurant... everything he's been familiar with his whole life, gone.

There is a possibility he's oblivious to these facts, but he's never struck me as dumb/naive.

Ehhh....not so sure it's going to be that severe. The people who know him personally will likely stay loyal. Guys like Keith Dambrot and Dru Joyce might have preferred he stay in Cleveland, but they'll still be his friends and support him.

And that's all he really cares about. If the population at large despises him? Feh. So he can't go out in public without a team of bodyguards. How is that different from now?

LeBron doesn't care if 99.999999999 percent of the population of NE Ohio wouldn't assist him if he was incapacitated on train tracks with a locomotive approaching. If the people with which he personally interacts are still in his corner, that's what he cares about.

His family still loves him, his friends still call, he still gives money to Akron-area charities. Bron will have all the Ohio acceptance he needs as he's dishing out assists in his new Magic Johnson role for the Heat.

[JCoz]

If he goes, everything he's ever known - gone. High school friends, old coaches, the guy at the dry cleaning shop he's been going to for 10 years, the owner of his favorite local restaurant, his favorite local restaurant... everything he's been familiar with his whole life, gone.

There is a possibility he's oblivious to these facts, but he's never struck me as dumb/naive.

Ehhh....not so sure it's going to be that severe. The people who know him personally will likely stay loyal. Guys like Keith Dambrot and Dru Joyce might have preferred he stay in Cleveland, but they'll still be his friends and support him.

And that's all he really cares about. If the population at large despises him? Feh. So he can't go out in public without a team of bodyguards. How is that different from now?

LeBron doesn't care if 99.999999999 percent of the population of NE Ohio wouldn't assist him if he was incapacitated on train tracks with a locomotive approaching. If the people with which he personally interacts are still in his corner, that's what he cares about.

His family still loves him, his friends still call, he still gives money to Akron-area charities. Bron will have all the Ohio acceptance he needs as he's dishing out assists in his new Magic Johnson role for the Heat.

Didn't Magic have a post game?

aw, snap.

[Hikohadon]

If he goes, everything he's ever known - gone. High school friends, old coaches, the guy at the dry cleaning shop he's been going to for 10 years, the owner of his favorite local restaurant, his favorite local restaurant... everything he's been familiar with his whole life, gone.

There is a possibility he's oblivious to these facts, but he's never struck me as dumb/naive.

Ehhh....not so sure it's going to be that severe. The people who know him personally will likely stay loyal. Guys like Keith Dambrot and Dru Joyce might have preferred he stay in Cleveland, but they'll still be his friends and support him.

And that's all he really cares about. If the population at large despises him? Feh. So he can't go out in public without a team of bodyguards. How is that different from now?

LeBron doesn't care if 99.999999999 percent of the population of NE Ohio wouldn't assist him if he was incapacitated on train tracks with a locomotive approaching. If the people with which he personally interacts are still in his corner, that's what he cares about.

His family still loves him, his friends still call, he still gives money to Akron-area charities. Bron will have all the Ohio acceptance he needs as he's dishing out assists in his new Magic Johnson role for the Heat.

I don't mean it that way, Cass. I mean it this way: He will no longer be able to go the places and do the things he used to do in Ohio unaccosted. If he goes anywhere or does anything, he will be (at the very least) heckled. It will not be comfortable.

You think he can just walk into a restaurant in Akron anymore? You think he can pop into a local gym? Show up for a charity event?

Bad as it might sound, he's probably going to get death threats. His friends will get death threats. His family will get death threats. They'll probably be empty threats, but the life he knows in Ohio, the life that those close to him know in Ohio, will be over.

His friends will remain his friends and those people that know him personally will remain unchanged. But Joe Average Ohio Guy will change 180 degrees towards him, and he'll basically have to live in a bunker to escape it.

Either that, or move the entire circus to South Florida.

That's what I mean by everything he knows being gone. In essence, it will be.

[hermanfontenot]

If he goes, everything he's ever known - gone. High school friends, old coaches, the guy at the dry cleaning shop he's been going to for 10 years, the owner of his favorite local restaurant, his favorite local restaurant... everything he's been familiar with his whole life, gone.

There is a possibility he's oblivious to these facts, but he's never struck me as dumb/naive.

Ehhh....not so sure it's going to be that severe. The people who know him personally will likely stay loyal. Guys like Keith Dambrot and Dru Joyce might have preferred he stay in Cleveland, but they'll still be his friends and support him.

And that's all he really cares about. If the population at large despises him? Feh. So he can't go out in public without a team of bodyguards. How is that different from now?

LeBron doesn't care if 99.999999999 percent of the population of NE Ohio wouldn't assist him if he was incapacitated on train tracks with a locomotive approaching. If the people with which he personally interacts are still in his corner, that's what he cares about.

His family still loves him, his friends still call, he still gives money to Akron-area charities. Bron will have all the Ohio acceptance he needs as he's dishing out assists in his new Magic Johnson role for the Heat.

I don't mean it that way, Cass. I mean it this way: He will no longer be able to go the places and do the things he used to do in Ohio unaccosted. If he goes anywhere or does anything, he will be (at the very least) heckled. It will not be comfortable.

You think he can just walk into a restaurant in Akron anymore? You think he can pop into a local gym? Show up for a charity event?

Bad as it might sound, he's probably going to get death threats. His friends will get death threats. His family will get death threats. They'll probably be empty threats, but the life he knows in Ohio, the life that those close to him know in Ohio, will be over.

His friends will remain his friends and those people that know him personally will remain unchanged. But Joe Average Ohio Guy will change 180 degrees towards him, and he'll basically have to live in a bunker to escape it.

Either that, or move the entire circus to South Florida.

That's what I mean by everything he knows being gone. In essence, it will be.

Yeah, but I’m not sure he thinks that, Hiko. I think that he thinks he’ll still be the King of Akron, that he can gallivant up and down Copley Road like nothing happened.

[Hikohadon]

If he goes, everything he's ever known - gone. High school friends, old coaches, the guy at the dry cleaning shop he's been going to for 10 years, the owner of his favorite local restaurant, his favorite local restaurant... everything he's been familiar with his whole life, gone.

There is a possibility he's oblivious to these facts, but he's never struck me as dumb/naive.

Ehhh....not so sure it's going to be that severe. The people who know him personally will likely stay loyal. Guys like Keith Dambrot and Dru Joyce might have preferred he stay in Cleveland, but they'll still be his friends and support him.

And that's all he really cares about. If the population at large despises him? Feh. So he can't go out in public without a team of bodyguards. How is that different from now?

LeBron doesn't care if 99.999999999 percent of the population of NE Ohio wouldn't assist him if he was incapacitated on train tracks with a locomotive approaching. If the people with which he personally interacts are still in his corner, that's what he cares about.

His family still loves him, his friends still call, he still gives money to Akron-area charities. Bron will have all the Ohio acceptance he needs as he's dishing out assists in his new Magic Johnson role for the Heat.

I don't mean it that way, Cass. I mean it this way: He will no longer be able to go the places and do the things he used to do in Ohio unaccosted. If he goes anywhere or does anything, he will be (at the very least) heckled. It will not be comfortable.

You think he can just walk into a restaurant in Akron anymore? You think he can pop into a local gym? Show up for a charity event?

Bad as it might sound, he's probably going to get death threats. His friends will get death threats. His family will get death threats. They'll probably be empty threats, but the life he knows in Ohio, the life that those close to him know in Ohio, will be over.

His friends will remain his friends and those people that know him personally will remain unchanged. But Joe Average Ohio Guy will change 180 degrees towards him, and he'll basically have to live in a bunker to escape it.

Either that, or move the entire circus to South Florida.

That's what I mean by everything he knows being gone. In essence, it will be.

Yeah, but I’m not sure he thinks that, Hiko. I think that he thinks he’ll still be the King of Akron, that he can gallivant up and down Copley Road like nothing happened.

You might be right. But it's hard for me to buy that someone who grew up here would be that naive about sports fans in NEO.

[Triple-S]

Even the Akron contingent that some claimed would exist have already began to turn him, was listening to 1350 to get a better idea of it, every last call was negative. LeBron is quickly becoming the poster-boy of what's wrong with sports according to the Average Joe Ohio. You're getting a lot of people fed up with the fact that this multi-millionaire is playing this game with people that are struggling financially.

It just further reflects what my dad had said to me about the Browns move, in that after that, he really lost a lot of respect for how pro-sports operate, and still to this day, holds a lot of bitterness about it.

The whole Akron/Cleveland divide is mostly myth btw, and the fact that LeBron keeps insisting on it, is fucking stupid.

He can win them back if he announces he's staying tonight, that in itself will not be difficult. He'll be criticized for a long while by the media, but that will quickly be forgotten if he does something with the Cavs

I just don't see it ending well for him in Ohio if he does leave though, One has to remember that people were even going after Modell's wife when she showed up to see the Rats play the Browns, and this being YEARS after the move.

His image definitely takes a hit on the player profile as well, downgrade those comparisons to Jordan and Magic to Pippen and Worthy. He'll never be in that conversation as the first two EVER once he pulls that stunt.

[FUDU]

I think JB and John both make valid points and each argument is equal, however I side with JB slightly more, b/c economically while Cleveland hasn't lit anything on fire for a long long time, we still have lost a decent amount of our population since 1980.( 140K+). Simple numbers will dictate just how much support a city like Cleveland will be able to support multiple losing franchises.

As a city we have proven we will support a winner, and in some cases (mostly the Browns) we have proven we will support a loser. But everything comes to an end at some point and as Brian Flanagan said, everything ends badly otherwise it wouldn't end. Unless something like the new casino can attract a new love for downtown and a legit crowd of outsiders a losing franchise w/exception of our Browns, will not survive in this town as it did in years past.

If this city were to dip down to a population of 375,000 or less and we haven't won a Superbowl, World Series or NBA title that could spell doom for either the Tribe or Cavs.

[e0y2e3]

FWIW: this is where the riots will start

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... ty_li.html

[FUDU]

Good chance but Lakewood police are usually johnnys on the spot, if they don't have a jaywalker in custody they'll be prepared.

[Orenthal]

Watch the TV show? Of course. I want to see this circus, want to watch his (mis)calculations crash down upon him as he gets lambasted nationally, want to laugh as they cut to some woman in Akron crying (either from joy or grief).

Watch the Cavs next year? Of course.

Unlike many of you, it seems, I have been in loathe with the professional athlete for a long time. I'm not disenchanted in the slightest - this kind of fluffery has to be expected. Any betrayal/idiocy they can perpetrate is par for the course to me. I've never cared for LeBron James the person because I don't know LeBron James the person. You can't put faith in the athletes to do the "right thing", especially in this day and age. This situation is a fault of the system. Unlike the NFL, the NBA doesn't currently have any provisions in place for teams to prevent bullshit like this from happening. Hopefully, their next CBA will considerably disempower the athlete. Can't have the inmates running the asylum.

However, even after The Queen leaves (if he does), the Cavs will still remain. Hell, I'll actually be more apt to watch them now, since the Regular Season will again be something more than a useless preamble to the Playoffs and the Championship Run. Bring in all the kids and let's see what they can do.

Except for the fact I probably won't watch the special. This is pretty much my take. I don't get in line to see people, and I am not going to watch him jerk off in front of the mirror...

[Hikohadon]

Watch the TV show? Of course. I want to see this circus, want to watch his (mis)calculations crash down upon him as he gets lambasted nationally, want to laugh as they cut to some woman in Akron crying (either from joy or grief).

Watch the Cavs next year? Of course.

Unlike many of you, it seems, I have been in loathe with the professional athlete for a long time. I'm not disenchanted in the slightest - this kind of fluffery has to be expected. Any betrayal/idiocy they can perpetrate is par for the course to me. I've never cared for LeBron James the person because I don't know LeBron James the person. You can't put faith in the athletes to do the "right thing", especially in this day and age. This situation is a fault of the system. Unlike the NFL, the NBA doesn't currently have any provisions in place for teams to prevent bullshit like this from happening. Hopefully, their next CBA will considerably disempower the athlete. Can't have the inmates running the asylum.

However, even after The Queen leaves (if he does), the Cavs will still remain. Hell, I'll actually be more apt to watch them now, since the Regular Season will again be something more than a useless preamble to the Playoffs and the Championship Run. Bring in all the kids and let's see what they can do.

Except for the fact I probably won't watch the special. This is pretty much my take. I don't get in line to see people, and I am not going to watch him jerk off in front of the mirror...

I would love to have the integrity to say the same thing, because watching this sham gets him exactly what he wants.

But I just know that I'm not going to be able to avoid looking at this train wreck.

[Orenthal]

By the way, how do the ESPN guys involved with this fiasco not feel embarassed?

Because they are too busy pimping it hard...

BTW I am fully behind Hiko (less the conspiracy tone), DS, and Madre's take on things. This is not the end, Gilbert will continue to build, and we will have a winner sooner then later.

[FUDU]

I think a rerun of the Dark Knight is in order for this evening.

That or Unfaithful, again.

[Orenthal]

[quote="FUDU"]If this city were to dip down to a population of 375,000 or less and we haven't won a Superbowl, World Series or NBA title that could spell doom for either the Tribe or Cavs.[quote]

Sports teams only draw from that 375,000? Not the Greater Cleveland area which is still pretty freaking large?

[Orenthal]

Hiko it is mostly due to the fact my sleep pattern would make a 75 year old jealous. I'm living that Ben Franklin quote...

[Hikohadon]

By the way, how do the ESPN guys involved with this fiasco not feel embarassed?

Because they are too busy pimping it hard...

BTW I am fully behind Hiko (less the conspiracy tone), DS, and Madre's take on things. This is not the end, Gilbert will continue to build, and we will have a winner sooner then later.

A guy I was just talking to told me he doesn't blame LeBron because he has nothing around him on the Cavs.

I asked him how the team had the most wins in the NBA if the Cavs were just a Superstar and a bunch of crap? And, if that were the case, why didn't the Heat have one of the best records in the league as well last year?

I'm fully aware that a LeBron departure hurts this team incredibly. But I'm curious to see how they would play with an actual team concept.

[Hikohadon]

If this city were to dip down to a population of 375,000 or less and we haven't won a Superbowl, World Series or NBA title that could spell doom for either the Tribe or Cavs.

Sports teams only draw from that 375,000? Not the Greater Cleveland area which is still pretty freaking large?

Rank Designated Market Area (DMA) | TV Homes | % of US
1 New York | 7,433,820 | 6.495
2 Los Angeles | 5,654,260 | 4.940
3 Chicago | 3,492,850 | 3.052
4 Philadelphia | 2,950,220 | 2.578
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth | 2,489,970 | 2.175
6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose | 2,476,450 | 2.164
7 Boston (Manchester) | 2,409,080 | 2.105
8 Atlanta | 2,369,780 | 2.070
9 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) | 2,321,610 | 2.028
10 Houston | 2,106,210 | 1.840
11 Detroit | 1,926,970 | 1.684
12 Phoenix (Prescott) | 1,855,930 | 1.622
13 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) | 1,822,160 | 1.592
14 Seattle-Tacoma | 1,819,970 | 1.590
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul | 1,730,530 | 1.512
16 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale | 1,546,920 | 1.352
17 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) | 1,524,930 | 1.332

That's just homes, not total population. One could also argue that Pittsburgh (23) and Columbus (32) are Cavalier markets. There's more than enough people within practical driving distance for Cleveland to be able to support 3 franchises.

Now, downtown Cleveland may be shrinking, but that doesn't mean the stadiums can't sell out. No one lives in downtown LA - that place is deader than Cleveland after dark - but the overall urban area is still vital.

We'll see what downtown nightlife looks like after the casino finally gets built. Curious to see how much of a difference that makes.

[jb]

That's just homes, not total population

Yeah, and 10% are abandoned in Cuy County.

We'll see what downtown nightlife looks like after the casino finally gets built. Curious to see how much of a difference that makes.

Folding table top slots in musty grandparents-basement-smelling Higbees after TMLP takes it up the cornhole for his investments when Bron bolts.

OK, I'm ledging. In full mode.

[Hikohadon]

That's just homes, not total population

Yeah, and 10% are abandoned in Cuy County.

TV watching homes. Meaning the home is occupied and with TV service.

[jb]

That's just homes, not total population

Yeah, and 10% are abandoned in Cuy County.

TV watching homes. Meaning the home is occupied and with TV service.

Edit.

I'm so sory Bron. Please please stay.

[Hikohadon]

That's just homes, not total population

Yeah, and 10% are abandoned in Cuy County.

TV watching homes. Meaning the home is occupied and with TV service.

Illegal stolen cable infrequently used by crackheads in abandoned houses. You know, like Bron grew up with.

Beautiful.

JB, you need to videotape yourself tonight, then upload it to YouTube. That's something that should not be missed.

[Orenthal]

Let jb jump. Part of me is with him, but the better more rational part will not have anything to do with that type of reaction. The Browns came back, the Indians were able to draw after they made movies about how woeful the franchise was, and the Cavaliers rebounded after Luke, Wrong Rim Ricky, Fat Kemp and the kids (the team's kids and his kids), The Harper trade, Jordan, Harold Minor, countless picks traded away...

Even the blind squirrel, not to mention, the only owner in the city that understands how to draw, will get this team back to being top 4 in the East. Book it.

jb is in full on jb mode. Dreamily remembering the prior years, and casting irrational negativity towards the future.

[Gradysmanldy]

By the way, how do the ESPN guys involved with this fiasco not feel embarassed?

Because they are too busy pimping it hard...

BTW I am fully behind Hiko (less the conspiracy tone), DS, and Madre's take on things. This is not the end, Gilbert will continue to build, and we will have a winner sooner then later.

A guy I was just talking to told me he doesn't blame LeBron because he has nothing around him on the Cavs.

I asked him how the team had the most wins in the NBA if the Cavs were just a Superstar and a bunch of crap? And, if that were the case, why didn't the Heat have one of the best records in the league as well last year?

I'm fully aware that a LeBron departure hurts this team incredibly. But I'm curious to see how they would play with an actual team concept.

This is what i've been pondering the whole day. What happens if you let Mo actually point guard, let Hickson develop, AV....There's still a good deal of talent on the roster. Wish we had a Bogut/Lopez style center to work with, though.

[Orenthal]

Hiko (to save us from anymore quote boxes)
"I'm fully aware that a LeBron departure hurts this team incredibly. But I'm curious to see how they would play with an actual team concept."

Grady hits on this, and is something me and the boys have been harping on for the past 6 weeks. Of course when I mentioned it here earlier I got piled on pretty quick... Of course I followed it up with my usual Shaq take so I probably deserved it...

By the way, in my opinion we should resign Shaq and make the old beat up Volkswagen our focus on offense. Woo Hoo!

[Gradysmanldy]

I just don't know what it looks like/how it works. The team has gotten so conditioned to playing off someone that when it became crunch time, they lost their f*@#*ing minds. Common denominator in the last 4 games of the season, when the game got close, they tented. (Or rode the hot hand of Mo Gotti)

That being said, they kept it close. Every time.

Why I asked the question....is it going to be worth watching, or a car wreck.

[Gradysmanldy]

I also think that the fans in Cleveland wont cry, wont riot, and wont even raise much of a fuss. TCE; the last 10 years has been so brutal, most of us saw this coming when the horn on game 5 sounded.

[Hikohadon]

I also think that the fans in Cleveland wont cry, wont riot, and wont even raise much of a fuss. TCE; the last 10 years has been so brutal, most of us saw this coming when the horn on game 5 sounded.

I would have agreed with you, but the manner in which LeBron has conducted himself and this fiasco may have changed things.

There's leaving, then there's leaving with a giant F you (intentional or not).

[Gradysmanldy]

Cleveland is just too apathetic and lazy to mount any kind of respectable outcry. I hope i'm wrong, haven't lived in the city since 2000, and I hope that legitimately people throw a fucking holy fit.

[FUDU]

If this city were to dip down to a population of 375,000 or less and we haven't won a Superbowl, World Series or NBA title that could spell doom for either the Tribe or Cavs.

Sports teams only draw from that 375,000? Not the Greater Cleveland area which is still pretty freaking large?

I never finished my greater point and was going to go somewhere else with it, but too late now, I'll let my half ass effort die on that note.

But yeah I like that let's focus on Shaq idea....

[Shadow Scars]

No matter what happens tonight, I'll be rocking my Cavs polo at work tomorrow. All real fans should. The Cavs were the Cavs before Lebron and they'll still be the Cavs after Lebron. Granted it might be like the 90's all over again but at least then I'll be able to get a decent seat at the Q again.

I've never seen something like this. In one moment this kid can either cement himself as the biggest Cleveland sports icon in history or become it's greatest villian.

PS- Why the hell was Moddel being interviewed on 1100 earlier?? Like I want to hear what that piece of shit has to say about Lebron or the Browns. wtf.

[Cease]

TCF boards' gonna set a new record for users tonight. Interestingly, I just had an issue logging in... Not a good time for an outage!

Maybe I'll just "read" tonight's special right here.

[Orenthal]

If this city were to dip down to a population of 375,000 or less and we haven't won a Superbowl, World Series or NBA title that could spell doom for either the Tribe or Cavs.

Sports teams only draw from that 375,000? Not the Greater Cleveland area which is still pretty freaking large?

I never finished my greater point and was going to go somewhere else with it, but too late now, I'll let my half ass effort die on that note.

But yeah I like that let's focus on Shaq idea....

I threw out the Shaq take to see if I could get e1y230 to bite. Won't whats up or down till at the latest 10:00pm.

[Hikohadon]

So LeBron is in Greenwich for Carmelo's wedding.

I see how this goes.

Tonight, he shocks the world and announces that he's staying a Cavalier.

Saturday, at the wedding, some angry random disgruntled Knick fan shoots him in the knee.

Career over.

That, my friends, is TCE.

[jerryroche]

Shit, shit, shit. I can't watch. Go ahead, call me a putty-butt; I deserve it.

I'll DVR it. If he stays, I'll have saved the moment for all eternity. If he bails, I'll delete it faster than you can say "f-you!" I don't wanna hear his excuses for wimping out.

But I'll always be a Cavs fan. Actually, it'll be interesting to see how the guys perform if they start training camp not having LBJ to fall back on. And Byron Scott will make a helluva difference. A helluva difference!