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LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Crash Davis » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:26 am

Dan Lebatard reporting Bosh to Miami for Chalmers, Beasley, and Anthony. Deal cannot become official until the stroke of midnight.

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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby ajunior148 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:35 am

And it starts...
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby CP » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:41 am

If it's for the true max, then according to that ESPN article from earlier, to make the deal work, LeBron would have to take less than the max. I can't see how they could do a S&T for LeBron if they just traded away the rest of the roster for Bosh.

If true, my guess is that they fill the rest of the team around Bosh/Wade and LeBron isn't part of the equation.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby OrangeElf » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:44 am

Isn't this considered some sort of tampering???
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Yinzer Hater » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:46 am

I believe Bosh and Wade have the same agent so maybe that is why Miami could send Wade to recruit via his agent. Bron Bron ain't going anywhere near Miami now.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Crash Davis » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:48 am

Bingo!

per LeBatard's twitter page "I hear bosh-miami is done ..bosh-wade shared agent avoids tampering...its why beasley, chalmers, anthony still here...raptors get them"

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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:51 am

If Lebatard's on the money, you can pretty much stick a fork in Bron to Chicago. Its down to Cleveland and Dallas.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Yinzer Hater » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:55 am

Yep. Cross the Heat off as a possibility for 'Bron as with Bosh and Wade they can only go to two max contracts........

New York Knicks
Maximum cap room: 2.06 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Renounce all free agents. The Knicks also have the ability to hang on to David Lee's Bird rights, which would leave them with about 1.5 MCs -- they can't sign two maximum free agents and keep Lee.

What can they do to get more? As expected, Eddy Curry invoked his contract option and his $11.3 million salary remains on the Knicks' books. There isn't much hope of getting to three MCs.

New Jersey Nets
Maximum cap room: 2.00 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Kris Humphries must decline his contract option and become a free agent. The Nets also need to renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? The Nets were about $3.33 million short of two MCs, and needed to find a taker for Yi Jianlian. They did exactly that on Tuesday, sending Yi to the Wizards for Quinton Ross. Mikhail Prokhorov's team now has the wherewithal to land two maximum free agents -- potentially upstaging the neighboring Knicks.

Chicago Bulls
Maximum cap room: 1.76 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Bulls did most of the hard work in February and June. All that's left is to renounce their own free agents, such as Brad Miller.

What can they do to get more? Contrary to recent reports, the Bulls do not have enough cap room to sign two maximum free agents. To get to the elusive two-MC threshold the Bulls would have to clear another $3.5 million from their books. Their best -- albeit unlikely -- bet would be to try to find a taker for Luol Deng's enormous contract, hoping to slide LeBron James into his vacated spot.

Dumping James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Chris Richard and Rob Kurz would not generate the needed cap room -- the cap holds associated with the four vacated roster spots would consume much of the cap room that would be freed by their departure.

Miami Heat
Maximum cap room: 1.67 MCs (with Wade re-signed); 2.64 MCs (if Wade leaves)

What needs to happen to get to this amount?: This may be counterintuitive, but the Heat gain more cap room if Wade becomes a free agent than if he invokes the option in his contract to stay with the team through 2010-11. Wade needs to become a free agent. The Heat already have declined the team option on Kenny Hasbrouck. They also released James Jones, whose $4.65 million salary was guaranteed for just $1.86 million -- clearing an additional $2.79 million from the team's books.

What can they do to get more? There's not much left to trim from their roster. To keep Wade and go after both James and Bosh, they'd need to convince at least one of the free agents to take less. Even moving Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers for nothing wouldn't create enough cap room to sign all three star free agents at the full maximum.

Los Angeles Clippers
Maximum cap room: 1.02 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? The Clippers did most of their work at the February trade deadline, and have just enough cap room to sign one maximum free agent (but not a player with a higher maximum such as Amare Stoudemire). But will players come?

What can they do to get more? It's no secret that the Clippers aren't enamored with Baron Davis' contributions over the last two seasons, and would welcome a reasonable deal to unload his expensive contract. But even dumping Davis for nothing wouldn't be enough to get the Clippers to two MCs.

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Maximum cap room: 0.93 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? The Kings lost their ability to sign a maximum free agent when they traded for Samuel Dalembert earlier this month. Another $1.21 million needs to come off the books to clear enough cap room. This could be accomplished by removing Omri Casspi's $1.25 million salary.

Milwaukee Bucks
Maximum cap room: 0.92 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? To get to one MC the Bucks need to trim another $1.37 million from the payroll. Waiving Carlos Delfino -- signed for $3.5 million but guaranteed for just $500,000 -- would get the job done.

Boston Celtics
Maximum cap room: 0.61 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Paul Pierce has to follow through on opting out of his contract, and the Celtics need to renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? They'd have to clear another $6.5 million to get to one MC. If Rasheed Wallace follows through on retirement -- and forgoes his salary -- then the Celtics are less than $1 million away. They could get excruciatingly close -- only about $55,000 away -- by waiving the non-guaranteed contracts of Tony Gaffney and Oliver Lafayette.

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Maximum cap room: 0.45 MCs

What needs to happen to get to this amount? Decline Josh Howard's team option, renounce all free agents.

What can they do to get more? By acquiring Kirk Hinrich and the rights to first-round pick Kevin Seraphin from the Bulls, the Wizards took themselves off the market for a maximum free agent. Trading Quinton Ross for Yi Jianlian further cemented their role as a team that will not be swinging for the fences this summer.

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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:55 am

Crash Davis wrote:Dan Lebatard reporting Bosh to Miami for Chalmers, Beasley, and Anthony. Deal cannot become official until the stroke of midnight.

http://twitter.com/Eric__Smith/status/17419491905


May be a bit of a snag in this...
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38017785/ns/sports-player_news/

So far this is an unconfirmed report, and it might be a red herring since Joel Anthony isn't even under contract with the Heat (he has so far declined the qualifying offer). In any case, no deals can be made official until the stroke of midnight
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby CP » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:56 am

Windhorst was apparently on some AM station this morning and said Cavs are pretty confident they can get a S&T done for a big name FA. Being that Hickson would probably be involved, you'd almost think they are going for a PF. Deal with the devil and bring back Boozer?
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Yinzer Hater » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:01 pm

Hickson doesn't make that much so if its a big name FA then more $$$ is going to have to go off of the CAVS roster. I guess at the very least West and Williams would have to be involved.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby swerb » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:05 pm

So if this is accurate, in theory ...

~Wade resigns with Miami. With Wade and Bosh, they can't sign Bron.

~Chicago's plans to sign LeBron + Wade/Bosh are shot. Who does Chicago target next to try and entice Bron with? Joe Johnson?
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:06 pm

FTR: no reputable source has touched this rumor yet. Not even the unreputable like Chad "I'm and Attention Whore" Ford have touched it.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:07 pm

swerb wrote:So if this is accurate, in theory ...

~Wade resigns with Miami. With Wade and Bosh, they can't sign Bron.

~Chicago's plans to sign LeBron + Wade/Bosh are shot. Who does Chicago target next to try and entice Bron with? Joe Johnson?


Now, if this is true, which is doubtful Johnson + LBJ to Chicago is a far less attractive combo than a stud PF + LBJ, due to their current roster construction.

And you don't really want a midget like Boozer playing next to Noah, even though Noah plays far bigger than he is.

Maybe Amare, but word is his contract extension talks w/ the Suns are progressing nicely.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Crash Davis » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:12 pm

Chicago may be left out. Supposedly the Knicks are going to try and grab Johnson first then maybe add Stoudemire. They may realize their hopes of enticing LeBron might be fading.



Johnson and Stoudemire are close friends from their early days in the NBA with Phoenix , where they played for (and developed under) Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni , and have discussed teaming up again as free agents.


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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:14 pm

If anyone gets left out it will be the Knicks, bank on it.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:21 pm

So how long till Riley pushes Spoelstra out the door?
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:28 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:So how long till Riley pushes Spoelstra out the door?


If they get all three?

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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby swerb » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:30 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:So how long till Riley pushes Spoelstra out the door?

How's he viewed in MIA? At one point, he was thought of as potentially one of the next great coaches. Haven't heard much about him ... or his relationship with Wade as of late.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:32 pm

You could have said the exact same about Stan Van Jeremy (short of Shaq calling him out).
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Yinzer Hater » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:33 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:So how long till Riley pushes Spoelstra out the door?


If they get all three?

W/in days.


They ain't getting all three. Bosh is saying he wants a max deal wherever he goes and the Heat can only afford two max deals. I don't see a scenario where Wade and Bosh are getting that much more than LeBron.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:37 pm

I've seen numbers very different than the ones you posted Yinzer, I am pretty sure whoever you got those numbers from fucked up the James Jones contract, which had a buyout of 1.9MM and was exercised yesterday.

Most numbers I have seen state that post James Jones buyout they are pretty much Beasley away from a third max player.

So, whoever's report that is I suspect is wrong and buy dumping Chalmers, and Beasley I am sure they have the room.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Yinzer Hater » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:40 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:I've seen numbers very different than the ones you posted Yinzer, I am pretty sure whoever you got those numbers from fucked up the James Jones contract, which had a buyout of 1.9MM and was exercised yesterday.

Most numbers I have seen state that post James Jones buyout they are pretty much Beasley away from a third max player.

So, whoever's report that is I suspect is wrong and buy dumping Chalmers, and Beasley I am sure they have the room.



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Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:40 pm

Is Bosh really worth a Max deal?
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Yinzer Hater » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:41 pm

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e0y2e3 wrote:I've seen numbers very different than the ones you posted Yinzer, I am pretty sure whoever you got those numbers from fucked up the James Jones contract, which had a buyout of 1.9MM and was exercised yesterday.

Most numbers I have seen state that post James Jones buyout they are pretty much Beasley away from a third max player.

So, whoever's report that is I suspect is wrong and buy dumping Chalmers, and Beasley I am sure they have the room.



To keep Wade and go after both James and Bosh, they'd need to convince at least one of the free agents to take less. Even moving Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers for nothing wouldn't create enough cap room to sign all three star free agents at the full maximum.

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Unread postby Yinzer Hater » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:42 pm

Motherscratcher wrote:Is Bosh really worth a Max deal?


No but that is what he's demanding so I don't see him signing anything for any less
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:48 pm

To be fair I trust Coon, who you linked more than most of the reporters out there, so next time maybe just drop a link, eh?

There are tons of small and stupid cap holds that need to be considered when calculating cap space and Coon is the only guy who has a shot a doing it.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:06 pm

I knew Ford couldn't resist this for long:

chadfordinsider: This one's picking up lots of steam. Doesn't mean 'Bron will join RT @IraHeatBeat Heat moving closer to marriage w/Bosh http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl- ... 1207.story

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The link has more info and doesn't really confirm what Fat Sweaty Fuck reporter earlier.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby ajunior148 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:11 pm

Yeah, I think the Miami get together ending up being false should be a good indicator of how a lot of this is going to go. There will be a lot of false information out there, so until a reporter is willing to at least use a named source I'm not believing any of it.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:27 pm

ajunior148 wrote:Yeah, I think the Miami get together ending up being false should be a good indicator of how a lot of this is going to go. There will be a lot of false information out there, so until a reporter is willing to at least use a named source I'm not believing any of it.


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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby CP » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:44 pm

In part I think Coon is saying that when they dump Chalmers & Beasley, they lose the contracts but get cap holds for minimum salaries on their roster spots, which makes sense as to why they still end up being short.

Plus, getting Bosh in a S&T means his max deal is going to be higher than the $16.68 million he'd get for signing with another team, no?
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby CP » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:49 pm

Ford says Heat would have $32.5 million to split btw Bosh and LBJ under this rumored deal, but I think he is forgetting cap holds for min. deals on replacements for Chalmers and Beasley. I assume Bosh is getting max in the deal. That would put LBJ at just under $14 million as a starting number I think...
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:54 pm

CP wrote:If it's for the true max, then according to that ESPN article from earlier, to make the deal work, LeBron would have to take less than the max. I can't see how they could do a S&T for LeBron if they just traded away the rest of the roster for Bosh.

If true, my guess is that they fill the rest of the team around Bosh/Wade and LeBron isn't part of the equation.


But didn't Wade and Bron both say they would take less than the max if it meant being on a championship calibre team?

Don't discount LeBron to Miami just yet
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby CP » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:57 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:But didn't Wade and Bron both say they would take less than the max if it meant being on a championship calibre team?

Don't discount LeBron to Miami just yet


I don't remember if they said that, but if they did, I assume LBJ understood it as "we all take less" not Wade & Bosh get paid in full while LBJ gets less money AND less years than both of them.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:00 pm

How do we know Wade and Bosh are both getting the max?

I haven't bothered clicking any links by the way
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby CP » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:01 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:How do we know Wade and Bosh are both getting the max?

I haven't bothered clicking any links by the way


No reason for a S&T if Bosh is going to take less, no? He's also always been rumored to be the one most likely to take every last cent since he's not the franchise guy that Wade/LBJ are.

Wade is probably an assumption on my part.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:11 pm

You're probably right but I was just coming at it from another angle. I just would have expected Miami to make more of an effort in the LeBron chase before settling for one of the lesser big name FAs
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby aoxo1 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:47 pm

Pretty sure teams can go over the cap with a sign-and-trade, so resigning Wade and signing LeBron, followed by an S&T for Bosh is fine.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby ajunior148 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:53 pm

aoxo1 wrote:Pretty sure teams can go over the cap with a sign-and-trade, so resigning Wade and signing LeBron, followed by an S&T for Bosh is fine.


I'm not certain this is the case, though I am too busy to research it myself.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby dmiles » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:53 pm

Can't Bron afford to go less than max considering he avoids a certain amount of income tax?


One other thing on the tax situation which I think I may be right on but not sure. Players/teams have accountants that actually figure up what amount of income tax due to the locality that they are playing on road games. I was under the impression that some daily salary amount is arrived at and if you play in NY and they have a 2% local income tax you must pay the 2% based on your daily wage/avg. wage. Again I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that every locality with a local tax has their palms out.

My point being while the player does save cash playing in a no-tax state, it's not quite as much as we think. If this happens it really depends upon how the salary is figured out, i.e. is it 16 Million/82 games?
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby CP » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:55 pm

You're right, but if you go over the cap, the dollars have to match within a certain percentage (15%) and I don't think those three guys match Bosh even at his BYC number but I haven't looked at that either.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby CP » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:56 pm

dmiles wrote:Can't Bron afford to go less than max considering he avoids a certain amount of income tax?


Zach Harper from Truehoop Network on ESPN said during chat yesterday that the tax thing works out to like $250K a year. I know nothing about the accuracy of that...
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby ajunior148 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:01 pm

CP wrote:You're right, but if you go over the cap, the dollars have to match within a certain percentage (15%) and I don't think those three guys match Bosh even at his BYC number but I haven't looked at that either.


I thought it was 10%, but more importantly this is what I thought as well. I don't think Miami can give all 3 guys max deals.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby aoxo1 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:03 pm

dmiles, they pay tax to whatever state/locality on the money they earn in that state/locality. So for 37 games per year (41 - 4 times vs Orlando), they have to pay to Ohio or Georgia or wherever. You pay where you earn the money, and there is no daily wage average involved.

And it's not as simple as just comparing income taxes; I think we are all aware of all the other taxes we pay (sales, real estate, user fees etc). If you try to look this up, most of the data you can find is tax burden per capita by state, which of course is distorted by varying per capita incomes. If you adjust this, then the effective Ohio tax rate is 4.5% and the effective Florida tax rate is 4.1%. Of course, what you actually pay depends entirely on how you spend your money.

But rest assured, except for Alaska because of their oil, states are going to get that income one way or another.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby ajunior148 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:27 pm

Shocking news:

Top-level source insists Raptors have no interest in Heat's Mike Beasley or Mario Chalmers & seek $16 mil trade except.

26 minutes ago via web

As expected, supposedly imminent Bosh-Beasley swap between Toronto and Miami now being shot down in both cities-for now.

about 1 hour ago via web

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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby dmiles » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:32 pm

ajunior148 wrote:Shocking news:

Top-level source insists Raptors have no interest in Heat's Mike Beasley or Mario Chalmers & seek $16 mil trade except.

26 minutes ago via web

As expected, supposedly imminent Bosh-Beasley swap between Toronto and Miami now being shot down in both cities-for now.

about 1 hour ago via web

http://twitter.com/wallacesports


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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:36 pm

Did somebody bring up income tax in this thread?

LMAO.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:13 pm

Honestly if I were a Raptors fan and they actually took back that pile of crap for Bosh I'd set things on fire.

A pure trade exemption would be 100x more valuable than that.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:34 pm

If I were a Raptors fan I would've already set myself on fire.
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Re: LeBatard reporting Bosh sent to Miami in sign & trade

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:36 pm

It's actually a really good basketball town.

Like 100x better than Cleveland.

Mad respect for Raptors fans from my POV.

Your point holds though. That Colangelo Euro team is just unbelievably bad.
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