Could it be Possible?

[pup]

And what would we do?

Texans - Reggie Bush
Saints - Mario Williams
Titans - Vince Young
Jets - Debrickashaw Ferguson
Packers - AJ Hawk
49ers - Vernon Davis
Raiders - Michael Huff
Bills - Haloti Ngata
Lions - Ernie Sims
Cardinals - Winston Justice
Rams - Jimmy Williams
Browns - Matt Leinart?

[Lebowski]

I dont see that scenario as likely to happen, but if it were, we have considerable ammo and leverage in a trade-down, especially with Baltimore picking behind us. A team like Minnesota would be burining up the phone lines.

If we were not able to trade out (somehow), we draft Lienhart and use him or Frye as trade bait next year or the year following. Kinda like what Houston did with Drew Hensen.

[pup]

Which pick do you see as being the most unlikely to happen in those 12?

[Guest]

I can't see Leinart going any later than the 4th pick
I do not want any Oregon stiffs either

[Lebowski]

I would say that Huff to OAK and Sims to DET are most unlikely. I haven't see those picks anywhere else.

I think the Raidahs pick a QB, either Young or Lienhart. Keep hearing they want Young and are lookiing at a trade up...Saints probably.

If Huff is there for Detroit...I think that's the pick.

[Lebowski]

Back to the Browns...

I have to think that if Ngata is there at 12, he's our guy. I would be happy with that...less happy with Bunkley or Wimbley at 12.

If Ngata is gone...I would prefer a trade down. If Cutler falls to us...maybe Minnesota would want to swap, and get in front of Baltimore. Then, with their pick, we target the best defender on Phils board. Would be more comfortable with Bunkley, Wimbley, or even Carpenter at 17 rather than 12.

Dream scenario?

Take Ngata at 12 and trade back into the end of the first to take Bobby C.

[pup]

The reason this scenerio came up in my head was hearing John CLayton this AM say the Raiders want Young or no QB and would be more than happy taking Huff. The Lions taking Sims appeared on a cbssportsline mock, which I found trying to see how far Lienhart could fall.

I agree that if Ngata is there they are taking him. I am sure they are thinking Romeo and Big Ted could get him on board.

Do you think trading up to get Carpenter is something they are just going to wait and see how the draft is going? If he is still around at 25, do they start looking at it, or is it closer to 30?

[Lebowski]

I really don't see Carp getting past New England and Pittsburgh. New England picks 21 I believe...so maybe we have to get in front of them. Then again, they have a lot of holes...so maybe they are targeting something else.

I think that if he slips to the mid-twenties, he is most definately in play for the Browns in a trade back into the 1st.

One thing I keep thinking about is last year and Savage trying to trade back in to snag David Pollack. THis tells me two things (a) He is not afraid to part with draft picks and trade back into the bottom part of the 1st round and (b) he covets LBs who fit our system.

The issue is trying to figure out what it would cost us.

[pup]

Thanks, good info as always Lebowski

[Guest]

I hope Ngata is gone by 12
Please
No interest in him.

[Lebowski]

Why

I'm not flaming...but you makes these statements without expressing your rationale behind them.

These boards are here for a lively discourse among members. I welcome viewpoints that differ from mine...as long as that viewpoint is backed up with some logic.

[Guest]

Of course this is all opinion we hear
He's lazy more times than not
Takes too many plays off
Runs out of gas later in games.
I am not sold on any Pac 10 defensive players seeing that conference doesnt play too much of it.
I would much rather have a FSU guy that plays a pro style defense that will be ready week 1

[pup]

One more question. How much better is Ngota than Watson from that state up north? My thinking is there is a bigger difference between whatever linebacker we would take in the first and who would be left in the second.

Is Sims or Greenway + Watson > Ngota + Hodge?

[Lebowski]

The laziness issue is a concern...but I would hope that with the new vets brought in (Washington and Mcginnest) that issue could be tempered.

I think when you talk about Bunkley vs. Ngata, you are talking about two interior defensive linemen who play a different kind of game.

Ngata, from all I have read, is the ideal 3-4 NT. He will clogg up the middle and occupy blockers for out LBs, who will flow to the ball more easily.

Bunkley is more of a penetrator. If he is drafted by us, I see him starting at DE, as I have read that he is versitile, able to play both inside and outside in the 3-4.

My issues with Bunkley are that he has an injury history and that he is basically working off of one good year. Also, I am of the opinion that Ngata fits the 3-4 better.

[Guest]

I agree with all of those points Lebowski
That being said, I again would much rather have a balls to the wall Seminole(pro style) player than a fat lazy Duck.
I also like Pup's thinking

[Lebowski]

One more question. How much better is Ngota than Watson from that state up north?

A lot.

I really dont want Watson. If Ngata is considered lazy...is there a word for what Watson is considered?

Ngata was more productive than Watson throughout their careers and Ngata is more physically gifted.

Is Sims or Greenway + Watson > Ngota + Hodge?

Yikes. I think that equation works where the earth is flat.

FWIW, I think Ngata + Hodge has the best chance of happening over any other Rd 1 and Rd 2 combo. That's my gut feeling. Just as Ngata seems to be the perfect 3-4 NT, Hodge seems to be the perfect 3-4 ILB.

Sims would be okay...doesn't excite me.

Greenway is a glorified Ben Taylor. I would be extremely pissed if we take him at 12. Hodge was more productive than him as far as tackles go.

Simply put, this draft is stacked with LBs. I would much rather get a NT like Ngata or Bunkley at 12, and then get a LB in the second...over drafting a LB in Rd1 and then looking to find a NT later on.

[Guest]

I love the draft
I know it is unlikely to happen but I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until 2:30 or so Saturday, I want Jimmy Williams
Chad Johnson and Hines Ward twice a year
I hope Baxter is healthy, we shall see.
I am not a big Greenway fan either

[buddycowley]

Chad Johnson and Hines Ward twice a year

Yeah, sure, but we improve the pass rush and the time these two have to get open decreases significantly. Plus, over the past three years, Johnson has only scored 1 TD against the Browns, and has had only 1 100 yard game, to go with three games of 3 or less catches with 40 or less total yards.

In my eyes, the last thing this team needs to consider with the FIRST ROUNDER is a DB. With Baxter, Bodden, and Cutch still in the fold, the concerns at that position do not run deep at all.

Also, the concerns that Ngata "takes plays off" is somewhat skewed as well. Almost all players tend to "take plays off" if the scheme or play doesn't really involve them. On 3rd and 19, I'm sure Ngata is trying to rush the passer, but if it even looks like he's not giving 100%, people will whisper that he's "not trying."

Ngata has been a dominant DT since he came out of high school. Ngata would be the anchor to the DL for the next 8-10 years if he stays healthy. I know everyone wants a flashy player that is going to rack up stats or "put fear in the hearts of the other team," but sometimes the guys that teams truly need aren't "sexy picks."

Ngata and Hodge (I actually like D'Quell Jackson out of Maryland better) would be the best bet for the scheme the Browns run.

Buddy

[Guest]

Gerard Warren anyone?
Thats my thought of Ngata
Cutch is a nickleback AT BEST
Still not sold on Bodden
Like I have said over and over, I hope I'm wrong about him.

[Lebowski]

Ngata has been a dominant DT since he came out of high school.

This is a good point. Wasn;'t he the Parade Player of the Year or something? I know he was a Parade All-American...and I remember him dominating in San Antonio in the Army All-American game as an incoming frosh. I think he won some kind of nation-wide award.

Dude first signed with Nebraska...but went to Oregon because it was closer to home. I think he could have gone anywhere...so the Oregon as a pussy-Pac 10 school argument is a bit futile.

I think he's the best of all the reasonably possible scenarios at 12.

[Guest]

I hope he's gone by 12

[Lebowski]

Since this post started with a 12 pick mock...I'd like to offer my thoughts as to what I think will happen. I encourage all to do the same. (Yes, even inactive lurkers.)

You can include trades if you think that's how it'll go down. Bragging rights to the poster who comes closest to reality.

1. Houston -- Reggie Bush
It's not what I think they should do...but it will happen. They should look to trade down and get D'Brink...but Bush is set to go at #1

2. Oakland (trade with New Orleans) -- Vince Young
Al Davis gets his man by trading up in front of Tennessee

3. Tennessee -- Matt Leinart
Former Trojan gets to work with his former OC in Norm Chow.

4. New York Jets -- Mario Williams
They fill a need by replacing Abraham. Williams turns out to be the best of this draft class IMO

5. Green Bay -- AJ Hawk
One of the safest picks in the draft

6. San Francisco -- Vernon Davis
Nolan gives his young QB a helluva TE

7. New Orleans (trade with Oakland) -- D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Saints take best player on the board to protect newly acquired Drew Brees

8. Buffalo -- Broderick Bunkley
The FSU DT fits their system better than Ngata

9. Detroit -- Michael Huff
Safest pick on the board at 9

10. Arizona -- Jay Cutler
Denny Green gets a young QB to groom for his newly explosive offense

11. St. Louis -- Jimmy Williams
Speedy DB can play both CB and S

12. Cleveland -- Haloti Ngata
Savage gets a NT for Romeo's 3-4 D to work with Big Ted


Remember this so you all can make fun of how wrong I was come Saturday.

[mswerb]

Who ever we draft should be put on the DL immediately.

[Lebowski]

with Mario going #1 my mock is fucked already

[mcsskkii]

With Mario signed, N.O. talking to everyone about their pick, it will be a very active top ten. If one of the big three qb's are there at 12, they should trade down.

[Guest]

I just hope Wimbley can be the Browns' 16th least suckiest pick of the last 20 years!

[Guest]

They got a 6th rounder not to take the pig from Oregon, what does that tell you?????????????????????????????
Phil Savage is a stud
F the ravens
F the ducks