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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby jb » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:20 pm

FUDU wrote:...and if Obama is an American I'm Jesus freakin Christ (and be fore warned my Bday is December 25th). When I say American I mean in the sense he actually likes America and wants it to succeed.



So he's POTUS to bury America?

Beam me up Scottie.

Come correct or off to bw land with you political takes, STFUDU.

That's how fucked up your take is.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:46 am

jb wrote:
FUDU wrote:...and if Obama is an American I'm Jesus freakin Christ (and be fore warned my Bday is December 25th). When I say American I mean in the sense he actually likes America and wants it to succeed.



So he's POTUS to bury America?

Beam me up Scottie.

Come correct or off to bw land with you political takes, STFUDU.

That's how fucked up your take is.


CDT wrote:That's the best thing you can come up with? Really? I thought maybe you had something tangible, him burning a flag or replacing The Star Spangled Banner with the Muslim call to prayer.
BS and you both know it. The dude is trying to get the US tax payer to subsidize the wants and needs of the entire planet. From the bailouts to his HC reform crap (that is gonna give you fuckn like you ain't ever had inside of 5 years) to the Copenhagen meetings (on how we can "make up for our mistakes") to his next agenda of granting amnesty to millions of people that can barely speak one lick of English "if it's free it's for me".

He personifies the pussification of America.

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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:46 am

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BS and you both know it. The dude is trying to get the US tax payer to subsidize the wants and needs of the entire planet. From the bailouts to his HC reform crap (that is gonna give you fuckn like you ain't ever had inside of 5 years) to the Copenhagen meetings (on how we can "make up for our mistakes") to his next agenda of granting amnesty to millions of people that can barely speak one lick of English "if it's free it's for me".

He personifies the pussification of America.


This part ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Its those who can't see 'this' who need to come correct

Barry Soweto Lemmings...too wrapped up in their own political bias to call a spade a spade

Its all Bush's fault....even WWII.

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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:12 am

FUDU wrote:BS and you both know it. The dude is trying to get the US tax payer to subsidize the wants and needs of the entire planet. From the bailouts to his HC reform crap (that is gonna give you fuckn like you ain't ever had inside of 5 years) to the Copenhagen meetings (on how we can "make up for our mistakes") to his next agenda of granting amnesty to millions of people that can barely speak one lick of English "if it's free it's for me".

He personifies the pussification of America.


Your take is just really really bad. Since you're just spouting off bullshit. How is he trying to subsidize the wants and needs of the planet? My taxes have gone down, i'm middle class. Last time I checked the bank bailouts (the automaker bailouts were passed in mid-December of 2008 I believe) weren't on his watch. The sutff in the parentheses is gibberish. The POTUS wanting to grant amnesty to illegals? Where have I heard that before? Hmmmmm.... It's a mystery. I haven't heard anything of the sort (not that i've been looking) so for all I know it's nothing more than paranoid nutso right wing babbling.

Bottom line is you claimed that Obama doesn't like America, and then didn't provide any proof to back up your ridiculous claim.

The limp wristed lady slap of "Oh he's personifies the pussification of 'Murica, arrararararraa!" was nice though.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:16 am

I'd like to see FUDU vs The YooToob Dunkmeister 1 on 1 sansa refs

Then we'll see who the real limp wristed metro-sexual is and it won't be the guy whose ears are bigger than Dumbo's

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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:22 am

lol.

I don't think FUDU has ever claimed he was good at basketball. He might be though.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:49 am

CDT Obama is doing nothing to strengthen the backbone of this country which is the middle class, the working class. Everything he has pushed or tried to push requires more from those who can and less from those who won't. That is not American.

You're right about the Chimp in Charge and his BS amnesty lies but guess what, this isn't his show anymore, this is Barry's rodeo now and he is responsible for his actions, lack of actions or down right horrific policy.

Think about how sad it is that your boy is no better a president than the clown before him, the clown that is often considered the worst POTUS ever.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby jb » Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:55 am

FUDU wrote:
jb wrote:
FUDU wrote:...and if Obama is an American I'm Jesus freakin Christ (and be fore warned my Bday is December 25th). When I say American I mean in the sense he actually likes America and wants it to succeed.



So he's POTUS to bury America?

Beam me up Scottie.

Come correct or off to bw land with you political takes, STFUDU.

That's how fucked up your take is.


CDT wrote:That's the best thing you can come up with? Really? I thought maybe you had something tangible, him burning a flag or replacing The Star Spangled Banner with the Muslim call to prayer.
BS and you both know it. The dude is trying to get the US tax payer to subsidize the wants and needs of the entire planet. From the bailouts to his HC reform crap (that is gonna give you fuckn like you ain't ever had inside of 5 years) to the Copenhagen meetings (on how we can "make up for our mistakes") to his next agenda of granting amnesty to millions of people that can barely speak one lick of English "if it's free it's for me".

He personifies the pussification of America.

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I know that I'll never change your or Ron's minds, but the next time either of you post an objective fact about Barry / his agenda will be the first. And that's about exactly the same as 35% of he citizenry. So I'm not wasting my time. I just thought better of your objectivity, FUDU. This is a turn / development in our little internets community. Never pegged you for the lunatic frindge. Your takes are just flat out seditious straying here from disliking his policies. (or your misperception of his policies, more accurately.).

BTW - as a middle class resident, the credit card indutry reforms really helped me out. Just pulling one example out of the air.

And BTW, if Barry is a socilaist, then Nelson Rockafeller was a marxist. Guys is center-left. The more left progressives are pissed at him for the continuing wars and not even broaching single payer in the insurance reform process. Its just that some folks have lost their damn minds.

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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:22 am

I know that I'll never change your or Ron's minds, but the next time either of you post an objective fact about Barry / his agenda will be the first. And that's about exactly the same as 35% of he citizenry. So I'm not wasting my time. I just thought better of your objectivity, FUDU. This is a turn / development in our little internets community. Never pegged you for the lunatic frindge. Your takes are just flat out seditious straying here from disliking his policies. (or your misperception of his policies, more accurately.).

BTW - as a middle class resident, the credit card indutry reforms really helped me out. Just pulling one example out of the air.

And BTW, if Barry is a socilaist, then Nelson Rockafeller was a marxist. Guys is center-left. The more left progressives are pissed at him for the continuing wars and not even broaching single payer in the insurance reform process. Its just that some folks have lost their damn minds.

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Oh spare me the there is no objectivity or facts crap, explain to me where his policy attempts strengthen the middles class, everything he is proposing is funded by us, hell he allowed the incentive to not pay one's mortgage to continue.

As far as credit cards I own them but don't allow myself to fall victim to their BS either, so I cannot speak 100% on all those details. However don't be fooled by what you may or may not think transpired there. Yeah he reformed them but they were able to make all sorts of adjustments to their game plans and are still able to hammer the card holders. The only significant reform made was the CC companies now have to tell you that they are fucking you, and disclose much more detailed info on your statement. But honestly your going with CC reform as a run batted in for the guy? I'll give hm credit for a infield single with a throwing error.

My contention isn't so much that Barry is 100% socialist, but make no mistake about it some of his policies reek of it, but more that he is an apologist at heart. Most of what comes out of his mouth in regards to our foreign relations is never accurate in terms of who we are dealing with, and he always manages to throw the U.S. under the bus in some manner when dealing with FR/PR. Domestically he is hell bent on bringing everyone WITH down to the level of everyone WITHOUT, that is just plain backwards. You want to close the gap I'm fine with that but you have to do it in a sensible way, through creating new challenges for long term opportunity and to allow for the use of effective tools to meet those challenges.

This guy is treating America as if it were a Monopoly board, actually it's more like Chutes & Ladders.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby jb » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:26 am

but make no mistake about it some of his policies reek of it,

but more that he is an apologist at heart. Most of what comes out of his mouth in regards to our foreign relations is never accurate in terms of who we are dealing with, and he always manages to throw the U.S. under the bus in some manner when dealing with FR/PR.

Domestically he is hell bent on bringing everyone WITH down to the level of everyone WITHOUT, that is just plain backwards


How about any examples to go with the rant.

One.

Just a hot pocket?

Opoen my eyes with one fact, one example.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:31 am

FUDU wrote:CDT Obama is doing nothing to strengthen the backbone of this country which is the middle class, the working class. Everything he has pushed or tried to push requires more from those who can and less from those who won't. That is not American.

You're right about the Chimp in Charge and his BS amnesty lies but guess what, this isn't his show anymore, this is Barry's rodeo now and he is responsible for his actions, lack of actions or down right horrific policy.

Think about how sad it is that your boy is no better a president than the clown before him, the clown that is often considered the worst POTUS ever.


If your only argument that Obama doesn't like America is "he tried to reform healthcare" then your argument is weak. I kept more of MY money under Obama than I did before. I am working class, I am middle class and the goverment is taking less from my pocket. I can drive down roads that were in terrible shape before Central Ohio got Stimulus money, now they're repaved and safer, redone by Americans. There are local Fire and Police Departments that would've had to close because smaller communities couldn't afford to pay them. Communites would've had to vote on which they wanted more, cops or firefighters. If they went under it would have been on CPD, FCSD, and CFD to pick up the slack, which they would've been unable to do without putting people at risk.

You still haven't backed up your claim. Either provide proof he doesn't like America or admit you just made that shit up.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:41 am

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As regards politics and politicians, this is an absolute falsehood.

Absofuckinglute!

Democrat, republican, socialist, entrenched, feeble, half dead 90 yr old dinosaur, political neophyte, all just so many letters in a row to moi anyways

I judge him on his actions or lack of and up till now I've basically given the guy his year and his mulligans. I've been easy on him...

The party is now over for moi and its his turn to reap the whirlwind

2 centuries worth of debt passed onto future Americans, being played like a fool by foreginers and bowing to Asian midgets does not a President make

That he's not taking heat for the ecological disaster in the gulf is blowing me away and the hypocrisy if deafening

Thats my pine and I'm stickin' to it and it has not one fucking thing to do with anyone else or any movement or organization of moronic nitwits who mite coincidently feel the same as I

The problem is a system that permits brain dead fucking assholes like nancy pelosi to aquire power based on tenure

...throw in the fact they just don't die in office often enuff and we're fucking doomed
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby jb » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:47 am

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
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As regards politics and politicians, this is an absolute falsehood.

Absofuckinglute!

Democrat, republican, socialist, entrenched, feeble, half dead 90 yr old dinosaur, political neophyte, all just so many letters in a row to moi anyways

I judge him on his actions or lack of and up till now I've basically given the guy his year and his mulligans. I've been easy on him...

The party is now over for moi and its his turn to reap the whirlwind

2 centuries worth of debt passed onto future Americans, being played like a fool by foreginers and bowing to Asian midgets does not a President make

That he's not taking heat for the ecological disaster in the gulf is blowing me away and the hypocrisy if deafening

Thats my pine and I'm stickin' to it and it has not one fucking thing to do with anyone else or any movement or organization of moronic nitwits who mite coincidently feel the same as I

The problem is a system that permits brain dead fucking assholes like nancy pelosi to aquire power based on tenure

...throw in the fact they just don't die in office often enuff and we're fucking doomed


Almost 200 words of a rant and not a single fact or object-based take.

C'mon, show me a card. This is like talkin' to Brick on Ancorman or a washed up stoner hippee yelling "Its the SYSTEM, man." (In Chong voice.)

Barry's made many mistakes and is in the process of Cartering himself. But I just wanna see something of some, any substance.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:53 am

Term limits? Fuck yes. Get rid of the lifers in congress and bring in fresh blood.

I still doubt it would ever happen, much like congress forgetting to give themselves a raise.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:45 pm

If your only argument that Obama doesn't like America is "he tried to reform healthcare" then your argument is weak. I kept more of MY money under Obama than I did before. I am working class, I am middle class and the goverment is taking less from my pocket. I can drive down roads that were in terrible shape before Central Ohio got Stimulus money, now they're repaved and safer, redone by Americans. There are local Fire and Police Departments that would've had to close because smaller communities couldn't afford to pay them. Communites would've had to vote on which they wanted more, cops or firefighters. If they went under it would have been on CPD, FCSD, and CFD to pick up the slack, which they would've been unable to do without putting people at risk.

You still haven't backed up your claim. Either provide proof he doesn't like America or admit you just made that shit up.
I'm not talking home more money, I'm middle/working class. Roads are sub par round her, there were just a series of layoffs for the CFD. Hell the full effects of the HC reform have not even been put into effect and my HCI is already going up, why I'm fine my plan was fine, I haven't used the benefits of my coverage in a couple years. Who is the increase in my coverage paying for?

Plus are you simply blind to Obama's continued virtual refusal to connect something like Islamic extremism and things like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (tighty whitey bomber), Fort Hood and the more recent NY city attempt, not to mention how many times he has made it a point to apologize for his own country while on foreign soil. That is all fairly Googlable stuff.

Much of what he has done or tried to do is virtual yellow brick road toward a European Union way of life. Exactly how does that mimic American ideals and how does it veer away from socialistic ones? Wealth redistribution exists in the basic foundation of taxation, but it is a redistribution purposed with benefits for all at the least amount of expense to others (which let's face it this country struggles with regardless of regime change). That is not the type of wealth redistribution we are embarking upon with Obama. His is of a form that is and will continue to be a significant expense to one segment of the population while only benefiting a a specific segment of the same general population. Forcing unjustified consequences on Americans is simply not a very American thing to do. It isn't that hard CDT (or JB).

ETA: I think you're both just a little upset b/c for some strange reason you think I am singling out your boy, when you should already know better and realize I feel 80% of all politicians are pretty much jackasses with agenda, faults and what not. So CDT if you want to call GWB unAmerican and think for a second it bothers me, well be my guest. But you can't claim you're deaf while still wearing the earplugs.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Ziner » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:50 pm

I thought this thread was about Elton John and mailboxes, how did it get turned all serious and shit?

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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:44 pm

FUDU wrote:I'm not talking home more money, I'm middle/working class. Roads are sub par round her, there were just a series of layoffs for the CFD. Hell the full effects of the HC reform have not even been put into effect and my HCI is already going up, why I'm fine my plan was fine, I haven't used the benefits of my coverage in a couple years. Who is the increase in my coverage paying for?

Plus are you simply blind to Obama's continued virtual refusal to connect something like Islamic extremism and things like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (tighty whitey bomber), Fort Hood and the more recent NY city attempt, not to mention how many times he has made it a point to apologize for his own country while on foreign soil. That is all fairly Googlable stuff.

Much of what he has done or tried to do is virtual yellow brick road toward a European Union way of life. Exactly how does that mimic American ideals and how does it veer away from socialistic ones? Wealth redistribution exists in the basic foundation of taxation, but it is a redistribution purposed with benefits for all at the least amount of expense to others (which let's face it this country struggles with regardless of regime change). That is not the type of wealth redistribution we are embarking upon with Obama. His is of a form that is and will continue to be a significant expense to one segment of the population while only benefiting a a specific segment of the same general population. Forcing unjustified consequences on Americans is simply not a very American thing to do. It isn't that hard CDT (or JB).


Feh.

Your area got Stimulus money, how they spent it isn't up to Barry. I know for a fact that Central Ohio would be much worse off without it. You need to ask your HCI about your rates and find out if they're gouging you. Cuz those mother fuckers make money hand over fist.

And what connection is there to draw from Fort Hood and The Underwear bomber? That there are crazy people out there? Well no shit, Sherlock. The two events are unrealted in all aspects other than they were both whacky Muslims. He apologized for previous regimes acting like douchebags when the rest of the world wouldn't jump on the bullshit bandwagon they were driving. It's like apologizing for a drunk friend who makes a fool out of himself. America is a great country, but we're not always right.

Since you seem to be the expert on what is and isn't "American", why don't you enlighten the rest of us?

I don't agree with all Obama has done, but to say he doesn't like America is ridiculous.

You can have the last word on this as far as i'm concerned. Not much more I can say without making this circular. But anyhow, thanks for the debate.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby jb » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:27 pm

I'm not talking home more money, I'm middle/working class.


Then get a better job, Fudu. Its America.


http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/new-econ ... s-not-true


Otherwise, middle class federal income tax rates haven't gone up since 2008. But you can't ram through tax rates without the deficit spiralling like you note. The Bush tax breaks were devistating to the revenue stream.

Roads are sub par round her, there were just a series of layoffs for the CFD.


Cleveland has been in a state of decline since when FUDU? 1968? 1974? 2000? Anyway you slice it, not on Obama. Its CLEVELAND man.

And when the population shirinks, government should shrink FUDU. How can you embrace small government and then bring up CFD layoffs?

Hell the full effects of the HC reform have not even been put into effect and my HCI is already going up, why I'm fine my plan was fine, I haven't used the benefits of my coverage in a couple years. Who is the increase in my coverage paying for?


Seriously Donny? As you might say, all of this is very "googleable". The cost of heath care has been rising for decades at an uncontrollable rate. remember our discussion about intellectual honesty? You're paying for high technoogies ability to save lives, the drag of the uninsured that is passed along to your carrier, well compensated medical professionals, and mega profit for your insurance carrier. Its been going on for years. We could discuss the merits / cons of the recent attempts of insurance regularion (in no way do I consider that health care reform) but you can't intellectually honestly pin rising health care costs on Barry. That's crazy, dawg. Its like blaming the rainey weather on your Mom.



Plus are you simply blind to Obama's continued virtual refusal to connect something like Islamic extremism and things like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (tighty whitey bomber), Fort Hood and the more recent NY city attempt, not to mention how many times he has made it a point to apologize for his own country while on foreign soil. That is all fairly Googlable stuff.


Then googlee it for me. W didn't connect terrorism to Islamic extremist. He went out of his way to distance that. Barry does the same. As for the lack of enthusiasm barry sometimes demonstrates toward the gospel of American exceptionalism? Meh. Do some of the googling and we can discuss discrete issues instead of things like the POTUS is "unAmerican".

Much of what he has done or tried to do is virtual yellow brick road toward a European Union way of life.


Such.

As?

Again, empty rheotic.


Exactly how does that mimic American ideals and how does it veer away from socialistic ones?


Again, how does what?

Give me an issue broham. I may agree with you, I may not. I dunno. But again, you're no longer a rational being right now on this one. You're being a windbag. An angry one.


Wealth redistribution exists in the basic foundation of taxation, but it is a redistribution purposed with benefits for all at the least amount of expense to others (which let's face it this country struggles with regardless of regime change).


First of all, this is America. We have legal elections. We don't have regieme change ever since George and Quincy Adams set precidents. That's what makes us great. Using terms like "regieme chnage", I suggest, is what is unAmerican and against our values.


That is not the type of wealth redistribution we are embarking upon with Obama. His is of a form that is and will continue to be a significant expense to one segment of the population while only benefiting a a specific segment of the same general population. Forcing unjustified consequences on Americans is simply not a very American thing to do. It isn't that hard CDT (or JB).


Again, what are you talking about? Insurance reform? Mortgage assistance?

How about these decisions that create unintended consequences? reckless tax cuts for those who are loaded up the cake hole with bills, deregulation that was reckless in the energy and financial sectors, or maybe wars that are unprovoked? Want to know where your heath care money is? Probably caring for some Iraquis in a hospital that had to be rebuilt. Makes me sick as an American. But again, singling Barry out and playing the "unAmerican" card is fringe rhetoric.

ETA: I think you're both just a little upset b/c for some strange reason you think I am singling out your boy, when you should already know better and realize I feel 80% of all politicians are pretty much jackasses with agenda, faults and what not. So CDT if you want to call GWB unAmerican and think for a second it bothers me, well be my guest. But you can't claim you're deaf while still wearing the earplugs.


I disagree with how timid Barry has been. I disagree with the kneekerk reaction to the economy. I disagree with the lack of vision. But I also recognize the monumental nature of problems that have not been dealth with since about 1972 in a way that is anything more than band aids and mecuricrome that is now a wobbley house of cards.

I disagreed with most oif W's aganeda much more.

But FUDU, there has never, ever been an unAmerican POTUS. Only a crazy dooshnozzle subscribes to the manchurian Candidate consiracy theories.

As for what is American? Best I can tell, there are two things at the genesis of the American Experience:

Pursuit of weath and religeous sectarianism. The yin and yang that started in Plymouth and Jamestown.

It goes from there.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:14 pm

Almost 200 words of a rant and not a single fact or object-based take.


Point being what, exactly?

Cuz dude, yir hardly immune

Barry's made many mistakes and is in the process of Cartering himself. But I just wanna see something of some, any substance.


I could repeat the same words right back atchya, yes?

Esp considering your own willingness to Cauterize him. [I loved that one]

How 'bout if you want me to give him cred for anything you make a list first of what he's accomplished that could convince me to change my mind about him?

Same shoe diff foot again, eh?

His healthcare plan is a failure and unlikely to ever see the light of day in 2014 as written for one thing and Part B to that is the Drs I've talked to who will quit their practices if and when it happens

And how 'bout you explain why we need 100,000 more IRS agents that will only come down on the little man, not the rich like you'd prefer?

Yeah yeah, I know, their hirings are healthcare related.... :bag:

Speaking of which, where's the jobs outside the government tit?

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I am glad you are reveling in The Change tho cuz most of America thinks yir whack
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:12 am

JB we'll continue this more in depth over the next 24-48 hrs, but for now I'll give a general response to your last reply, the longer one (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Then get a better job, Fudu. Its America.
Not sure what to say to that reply to "me not talking home more money" other than to use Sean Connery's line to Robin Williams in SNL Jeopardy "Boy I think you might be legally retarded". Seriously were you replying to the right comment? Were you paying attention to the context of my comments? This is in the context of those who can & those who will having to subsidize those who can't or won't. I'm not talking any more money home despite my wages remaining constant, yet your suggestion is for ME to get the better job..... when it is those either without the job or those choosing not to participate (in specific parts of the system like HC) b/c they feel they can't afford to that are the ones that need to improve their lot in life. Remember I'm talking from the perspective here that I can & do, I'm not the one in need of the help, yet I'm supposed to go out and find more of or a better way of life...damn that is some fucked up shit right there.

But to continue this in a relatively apples to apples way we need to clarify two main points, wealth redistribution and socialism. Remember I am not of the belief Obama is truly a socialist, but also remember socialism doesn't show up on your doorstep, ring you bell and say "Hi I'm here, can you help with some of my bags, those hammers & sickles are kind of heavy you know". A government doesn't have to have 100% control over production and labor to cross the line of socialism, and their are different levels and approaches to wealth redistribution. So let's define em in short simple terms.

But FUDU, there has never, ever been an unAmerican POTUS. Only a crazy dooshnozzle subscribes to the manchurian Candidate consiracy theories


Quickly on the point of Obama being unAmerican, you know I can simply throw his stance on immigration and pro-amnesty out there and my point sticks. Amnesty in its simplest form is unAmerican. I also feel that you think I'm pushing the "he wasn't born in this country" POV, and I'm not. I've put trust into the fact that those most in the know would have done their due diligence on that (but why I put that trust in them is a good question). However a Manchurian candidate POTUS is not some sort of sci-fi notion, far from it to be honest. If the enemies of Western civ/the US could catch us at the right moment in time a Manchurian approach would not be a bad play (I'm not talking microchips either).

BTW here is a quick reference to some interesting reading, David Goldman wrote under the pseudonym Spengler for a publication http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html. The part that caught my attention was how Obama is viewed by some as an empty vessel full of wishful thinking of others around him. Interestingly enough his push for HC reform (against the majority of support from Americans) and his stance on immigration (in particular the AZ law, again supported by a vast majority of AZ/Americans) follow the trend suggested in the link.

ETA: to stick with the OP, Elton John is one of the most talented musicians of the last 50 years. Billy Joel being "the" piano man is arguable with Elton still alive.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:00 am

ETA: to stick with the OP, Elton John is one of the most talented musicians of the last 50 years.


Not to mention an impeccible dresser

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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby jb » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:22 am

Absolutely no need for me to re-re-post the same ole fellas. So I won't re-loop.

I am deeply disappinted in Barry's inability to move the ball forward in many ways and think he's hallucinating for trying to be bi-partisan. That is something I respect about Dick Cheney.

But I'd welcome discussion / debate that is issue focussed, not more angry talking head one-sided rhetoric or comments by some anonymous / pseudonym internets' piece. That said, I fault him for too much idealism as well. But talk to me about issues and reality. For example, we have NEVER been tougher on immigration on the Mexican border. More border patrol agentsthan ever, military presence recommended by Barry, and now we're capping cats Isaeli-stle. And I hear he's soft on this stuff, especially coming from W? It just don't jibe. That's just one issue guys.

And the whole socialist / unAmerican thing?

Trash. Utter trash. Too much info about how wealth is REALLY being redistributed over the last 30 years in this nation and real wages of middle class dropping to dignify the angry rhetoric.

Again, when you two bring me sothing other than being hatas, I'll play. Till then, see y'all down the road Jacks. You're both my aces, and I don't want to burn other bridges.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:28 pm

::doh::

Now I get it...yir lookin' for debate :thud:

Homey don't play dat,,,,FMB either

Debate requires serious thought, and in my case, a dictionary and thesaurus [never happen], in which the final result is non-conclusive on matters totally beyond ones control in the first place. :dead:

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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:34 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Nice punt JB

...and to think he just missed the window of opportunity at Ignatius.
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Unread postby Ziner » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:50 pm

jb wrote:Too much info about how wealth is REALLY being redistributed over the last 30 years in this nation.


Interested on your take on this, care to expound?
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:03 pm

Ziner wrote:
jb wrote:Too much info about how wealth is REALLY being redistributed over the last 30 years in this nation.


Interested on your take on this, care to expound?


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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby jb » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:15 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Debate requires serious thought,



And here I thought it only required 5 emoticons, some played out partisan insults, and some old free AOL hours left over from the 90's?
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Unread postby jb » Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:17 pm

Ziner wrote:
jb wrote:Too much info about how wealth is REALLY being redistributed over the last 30 years in this nation.


Interested on your take on this, care to expound?



Just bump aoxo's posts from about 2 / 3 months ago on the subject and we can reset my man. This thread is now the Love Canal AFAIC.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:12 pm

jb wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Debate requires serious thought,



And here I thought it only required 5 emoticons, some played out partisan insults, and some old free AOL hours left over from the 90's?


Well yeah then there's my way

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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:48 am

Ziner wrote:
jb wrote:Too much info about how wealth is REALLY being redistributed over the last 30 years in this nation.


Interested on your take on this, care to expound?

Ziner I'll play, I think a lot of people, quite possibly most, have a very over generalized notion of what wealth redistribution is. I'll let you go first if you're game.
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Unread postby Ziner » Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:57 am

FUDU wrote:
Ziner wrote:
jb wrote:Too much info about how wealth is REALLY being redistributed over the last 30 years in this nation.


Interested on your take on this, care to expound?

Ziner I'll play, I think a lot of people, quite possibly most, have a very over generalized notion of what wealth redistribution is. I'll let you go first if you're game.


Put a mil in the stock market 30 years ago at 6% that is damn near 8 mill right now. Rich get rich because of exponential growth in the stock market, not policies, not Bush tax cuts. Before you say who gives an eff and tax them to the hilt that capital is important for business right now, you take that away don't expect business growth unless it is artificially inflated from the gubmint. Argue if you want but you are wrong. Betcha the rich are still exponentially richer after Barry is in office regardless of tax policies. Want to discourage investment, go ahead, just replace it with more 'merican debt. It's alot cheaper for the rich to provide it.
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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:34 am

Put a mil in the stock market 30 years ago at 6% that is damn near 8 mill right now. Rich get rich because of exponential growth in the stock market, not policies, not Bush tax cuts. Before you say who gives an eff and tax them to the hilt that capital is important for business right now, you take that away don't expect business growth unless it is artificially inflated from the gubmint. Argue if you want but you are wrong. Betcha the rich are still exponentially richer after Barry is in office regardless of tax policies. Want to discourage investment, go ahead, just replace it with more 'merican debt. It's alot cheaper for the rich to provide it.
Not exactly what I was expecting or getting at, I was looking for more of a discussion on what is and what is not wealth redistribution. Anyway I don't see a lot to disagree with in your post, but if you think for a second that a working class man could/can afford to drop a million on the stock market then you must have watched a lot of Satruday morning cartoons as a kid.
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Re: Elton John having serious money issues

Unread postby Ziner » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:41 am

FUDU wrote:
Put a mil in the stock market 30 years ago at 6% that is damn near 8 mill right now. Rich get rich because of exponential growth in the stock market, not policies, not Bush tax cuts. Before you say who gives an eff and tax them to the hilt that capital is important for business right now, you take that away don't expect business growth unless it is artificially inflated from the gubmint. Argue if you want but you are wrong. Betcha the rich are still exponentially richer after Barry is in office regardless of tax policies. Want to discourage investment, go ahead, just replace it with more 'merican debt. It's alot cheaper for the rich to provide it.
Not exactly what I was expecting or getting at, I was looking for more of a discussion on what is and what is not wealth redistribution. Anyway I don't see a lot to disagree with in your post, but if you think for a second that a working class man could/can afford to drop a million on the stock market then you must have watched a lot of Satruday morning cartoons as a kid.


Good post for being drunk huh...

I never said the working class man could drop it. I just think when people talk about how the rich have never been richer are being disingenuous. That is why the rich keep getting richer while the middle class don't rise at the same pace, and poor people don't rise at all. It is just reality, not mean tax policies.

I assumed when JB wrote that he was talking about how the rich keep getting richer and that what is really going on is wealth is being redistributed to them instead of going to the poor. Maybe I read that wrong that is why I asked him to explain further. I dont have the energy to find aoxo's post that he was talking about.
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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:53 am

Me neither that is why I thought we could start from scratch on the topic. IMO it is tough to include the rich in the discussion of wealth redistribution, in large part b/c of what you wrote and simply b/c of the gap between the rich and the working class. However it doesn't mean over time that doesn't take place.

I see WR as fundamental shift of resources (usually money) from one entity(A) to another(B), beneficial to almost exclusively to B, often by design and with virtually zero benefit to A.
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I think we should kill and eat the rich in the ashes of their burning mansions. (that's a joke, I don't endorse wanton murders or cannibalism)
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