peeker643 wrote:Let me step into the room and see if everyone is okay here tonight...
Turn the lights on, no one swinging from the shower curtain....
Okay. Good.
See ya Sunday.
David Carradine and Michael Hutchins must not be Cav's fans.
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by motherscratcher » Fri May 07, 2010 11:26 pm
peeker643 wrote:Let me step into the room and see if everyone is okay here tonight...
Turn the lights on, no one swinging from the shower curtain....
Okay. Good.
See ya Sunday.
by swerb » Fri May 07, 2010 11:36 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Fri May 07, 2010 11:38 pm
peeker643 wrote:Let me step into the room and see if everyone is okay here tonight...
Turn the lights on, no one swinging from the shower curtain....
Okay. Good.
See ya Sunday.
by Gradysmanldy » Sat May 08, 2010 2:02 am
by Gradysmanldy » Sat May 08, 2010 2:06 am
by British_Pharaoh » Sat May 08, 2010 5:14 am

by British_Pharaoh » Sat May 08, 2010 5:15 am

by Prosecutor » Sat May 08, 2010 10:10 am
by OldDawg » Sat May 08, 2010 11:32 am

by Prosecutor » Sat May 08, 2010 2:26 pm
by British_Pharaoh » Sat May 08, 2010 3:04 pm
British_Pharaoh wrote:I am fuxking hammewrd but I'm happy with this arrangemanet
cavs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Frank Duffy » Sat May 08, 2010 3:58 pm
by OldDawg » Sat May 08, 2010 4:01 pm
Prosecutor wrote:"Mo attacking the hoop a few times was good to see."
Yeah, I forgot to mention that. Mo has been probably more effective this series going to the hole than shooting jumpers. When he had that spurt in Game 1 he was driving to the rim.

by FUDU » Sat May 08, 2010 4:04 pm
Frank part of the game plan was to NOT stop Rondo, from shooting anyway. Rondo is not going to be stopped from driving all that much, especially if you try to stop him from driving. So if you play off him significantly, with a guy like AP (a good defender) you have a nice cushion to keep Rondo in front of you. If Rondo is in front of you he isn't going to hurt you nearly as much. It is when Rondo is no longer in front of you when he is dangerous. AP is good enough on D and just long enough to still get up close enough to distract Rondo shooting. We saw what happens with that plan, he cannot score enough to keep up. KG going off isn't going to hurt us, nor did it.Frank Duffy wrote:First, that was great. Nothing like winning, and LB comes through.
But... boy, did everything go right or what? What if Parker is 0 for 3 on threes instead of 3 for 3, and the lead goes down to 10 - 12 instead of 20. What if Delonte doesn't make 3 of 4 jumpers. What if the fouls are a little more even. What if the refs didn't have contempt for Big Baby. (Did you hear the hilarious crashing sound it made when Powe put him on his back near the end?)
LB was great, but will he shoot like Joe Dumars every game? And what about that D. They never stopped KG at all, or Rondo much. Allen and Pierce didn’t shoot well - bec of us? Don't know.
It would be very nice to win on Sun., but it should be more like game 1. Someone will have to step up. They have a lot of ways to win. Yesterday, most everybody stepped up (like someone mentioned, Mo had that rare non-spectacular, non-crap, useful game.) Monday, no one stepped up. Game one, Mo (and Delonte) did. Hopefully one or two will be ready.
(Mysterious sentence in Windy's article today about maybe LB got some treatment we'll never be told about. (hint hint) Boy, I hope so.)
by OldDawg » Sat May 08, 2010 4:49 pm

by leadpipe » Sat May 08, 2010 5:12 pm
FUDU wrote:Frank part of the game plan was to NOT stop Rondo, from shooting anyway. Rondo is not going to be stopped from driving all that much, especially if you try to stop him from driving. So if you play off him significantly, with a guy like AP (a good defender) you have a nice cushion to keep Rondo in front of you. If Rondo is in front of you he isn't going to hurt you nearly as much. It is when Rondo is no longer in front of you when he is dangerous. AP is good enough on D and just long enough to still get up close enough to distract Rondo shooting. We saw what happens with that plan, he cannot score enough to keep up. KG going off isn't going to hurt us, nor did it.Frank Duffy wrote:First, that was great. Nothing like winning, and LB comes through.
But... boy, did everything go right or what? What if Parker is 0 for 3 on threes instead of 3 for 3, and the lead goes down to 10 - 12 instead of 20. What if Delonte doesn't make 3 of 4 jumpers. What if the fouls are a little more even. What if the refs didn't have contempt for Big Baby. (Did you hear the hilarious crashing sound it made when Powe put him on his back near the end?)
LB was great, but will he shoot like Joe Dumars every game? And what about that D. They never stopped KG at all, or Rondo much. Allen and Pierce didn’t shoot well - bec of us? Don't know.
It would be very nice to win on Sun., but it should be more like game 1. Someone will have to step up. They have a lot of ways to win. Yesterday, most everybody stepped up (like someone mentioned, Mo had that rare non-spectacular, non-crap, useful game.) Monday, no one stepped up. Game one, Mo (and Delonte) did. Hopefully one or two will be ready.
(Mysterious sentence in Windy's article today about maybe LB got some treatment we'll never be told about. (hint hint) Boy, I hope so.)
by peeker643 » Sat May 08, 2010 5:14 pm
OldDawg wrote:Don't know if you guys noticed, but another interesting part of the Cavs game plan was to press Rondo in the back court, even occasionally doubling him with the guy guarding the inbounder. It seems the Cavs know Rondo has to log a ton of minutes for the Cs to have a chance. I believe the Cavs wanted to wear him down some with the back court pressure. As they approached the half court line, the D ran hard off of Rondo to give him all that cushion and not let him drive.
by OldDawg » Sat May 08, 2010 5:50 pm

by e0y2e3 » Sat May 08, 2010 7:18 pm

by e0y2e3 » Sat May 08, 2010 7:21 pm
peeker643 wrote:OldDawg wrote:Don't know if you guys noticed, but another interesting part of the Cavs game plan was to press Rondo in the back court, even occasionally doubling him with the guy guarding the inbounder. It seems the Cavs know Rondo has to log a ton of minutes for the Cs to have a chance. I believe the Cavs wanted to wear him down some with the back court pressure. As they approached the half court line, the D ran hard off of Rondo to give him all that cushion and not let him drive.
Was talking to my buddies while watching the game about that very thing. They also trapped Rondo in the backcourt a couple of times and changed up their looks.
I do recall Rondo against Parker one time in the backcourt giving AP a little hesitation dribble and then sprintong 80 feet to the rim for a layup with AP never catching up.
That man is quick and fast.

by e0y2e3 » Sat May 08, 2010 7:50 pm
BOSTON – LeBron James(notes) had never seemed moved, nor impressed, with his coach’s diatribe. After a decided Game 2 loss, Mike Brown marched to the podium and derided his Cleveland Cavaliers with ominous words and weighty warnings. Nevertheless, the perfectly placid response of the NBA’s MVP suggested a far different, a far more measured, disposition.
While the rest of Cleveland worked itself into a frenzy with fear that one more championship season had reached the cusp of crumbling, James raised only his eyebrows to the chorus, never his voice. Everything about James’ vibe was simply, “Relax everyone, I’ve got this.”
Perhaps no one wanted to believe, but yet it’s turned into the surest truth of this wobbly Eastern Conference semifinal series. James has hold again, and resistance remains futile. Whatever pain had plagued that right elbow faded with every arcing jump shot and determined drive to the rim. LeBron was LeBron again, and order was restored to his championship destiny.
“If you remember me,” James reminded Friday night, “I was real calm. There was no reason for me as a leader to be very angry or feel like it was pressure time for us. … You guys [were] like, ‘Why do you seem so calm and Mike seems so, um …’ ”
So um … um … James didn’t finish the sentence on the podium Friday night, because he had finished it on the Garden floor. James had come out of the corner like a young Mike Tyson, all haymakers and hellfire, beating bloody these Celtics with a barrage straight out of their worst nightmare. The Celtics never gathered themselves, never responded.
Twenty-one of his 38 points came in the first quarter of the Cavaliers’ 125-94 victory, and James had just delivered a Game 3 victory. He hadn’t just won for the first time at Boston in five playoff tries, he had delivered the Boston Celtics the worst home postseason loss in franchise history. Most of all, James had delivered on his greatness. The Cavs take a 2-1 series lead, and maybe much of that Boston belief that the Cavs had become vulnerable, that Boston had jarred them.
Everything changed for the Cavaliers because James no longer babied that right elbow. He didn’t grab it. He didn’t flinch. Perhaps rest had shooed the pain away, but the floor spaced, the ball moved and the shots fell at the rapid rate of 60 percent Friday night. For everything James delivered, this victory had been a window into the wheels turning together. Antawn Jamison(notes) had 20 points and 12 rebounds and kept learning how to play off Shaquille O’Neal(notes). Anthony Parker(notes) and Delonte West(notes) made 9 of 11 shots.
The Cavaliers were determined defenders, turning Rajon Rondo(notes) into a jump shooter and Paul Pierce(notes) and Ray Allen(notes) into invisible, old men. For the most part, these were the Celtics of the regular season: wildly up and down, maddeningly inconsistent. That’s who they’ve been all season, and that’s somehow who they still were with three full days’ rest.
Rasheed Wallace(notes) disappeared again. Glen “Big Baby” Davis did nothing. Coach Doc Rivers had watched two days of lousy preparation, poor practices and he feared the worst for Game 3. He understood LeBron James was going to come for these Celtics, and he watched his team become willing victims. Just once they tried to foul James hard. Kendrick Perkins(notes) crushed that right arm on a breakaway, earned himself a flagrant and watched James just bounce to his feet, dismiss the blow and carry on.
“Enough with the elbow injury, all right?” Rivers insisted. “… But I don’t think we have any resistance. I mean, he was playing HORSE.”
For the Cavs, this was the most heartening game of the playoffs. All around James, there hadn’t been a game this season when all of these parts that were assembled for a championship chase had worked so perfectly. Jamison had come to understand that you give Shaq the ball but never leave him on an island. Move, cut, give him a chance to make a pass. Give him the chance to make a move to the rim.
All these little things had started to illuminate for the Cavs because LeBron James understood that a road playoff game was no place to ease into a game. At home, you can do it. The crowd carries your teammates. Get them involved early, get them going and then you can close the game late.
“Guys are more confident at home, guys shoot the ball better at home,” James said.
As much as anything, these Cavaliers needed to see James push past the issues with his elbow, push past the discussion of a diminished LeBron and watch him dominate again.
Nothing makes these Cavs so alive, so dangerous, as the understanding that the MVP has taken the first, boldest step for them and appears unstoppable again. Everything else followed for the Cavs, everyone joined into the music with him and the Celtics never stood a chance. This was one of those nights when the bell sounded and LeBron James came out of his corner with haymakers and hell’s fury.
All these years, all these playoffs games, and no one had ever delivered a beating to basketball’s greatest dynasty the way James did Friday night. He had listened to his coach rant and rave after a Game 2 loss, and he did everything but roll his eyes and dismissively wave it away. Did you hear him yell? Did you hear him panic? He left it to Mike Brown and everyone else, because ultimately James understands the truth of the matter: Once and for all, LeBron James controls everything here.

by davemanddd » Sat May 08, 2010 8:23 pm
by peeker643 » Sat May 08, 2010 11:16 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:GREAT recap from Wojo on this (que fundamentals and his "but he was mean to LBJ three years ago whining bullshit):
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... cavs050710
by Prosecutor » Sat May 08, 2010 11:31 pm
by Orenthal » Sat May 08, 2010 11:37 pm
davemanddd wrote:so since the cavs won via the blowout, are they "moralized"??? hee-hee!!!

by e0y2e3 » Sat May 08, 2010 11:46 pm

by Frank Duffy » Sun May 09, 2010 3:28 am
leadpipe wrote:FUDU wrote:Frank part of the game plan was to NOT stop Rondo, from shooting anyway. Rondo is not going to be stopped from driving all that much, especially if you try to stop him from driving. So if you play off him significantly, with a guy like AP (a good defender) you have a nice cushion to keep Rondo in front of you. If Rondo is in front of you he isn't going to hurt you nearly as much. It is when Rondo is no longer in front of you when he is dangerous. AP is good enough on D and just long enough to still get up close enough to distract Rondo shooting. We saw what happens with that plan, he cannot score enough to keep up. KG going off isn't going to hurt us, nor did it.Frank Duffy wrote:First, that was great. Nothing like winning, and LB comes through.
But... boy, did everything go right or what? What if Parker is 0 for 3 on threes instead of 3 for 3, and the lead goes down to 10 - 12 instead of 20. What if Delonte doesn't make 3 of 4 jumpers. What if the fouls are a little more even. What if the refs didn't have contempt for Big Baby. (Did you hear the hilarious crashing sound it made when Powe put him on his back near the end?)
LB was great, but will he shoot like Joe Dumars every game? And what about that D. They never stopped KG at all, or Rondo much. Allen and Pierce didn’t shoot well - bec of us? Don't know.
It would be very nice to win on Sun., but it should be more like game 1. Someone will have to step up. They have a lot of ways to win. Yesterday, most everybody stepped up (like someone mentioned, Mo had that rare non-spectacular, non-crap, useful game.) Monday, no one stepped up. Game one, Mo (and Delonte) did. Hopefully one or two will be ready.
(Mysterious sentence in Windy's article today about maybe LB got some treatment we'll never be told about. (hint hint) Boy, I hope so.)
They made the guy a scorer yesterday, which is exactly what they wanted to do. Without his facilitation, the rest of that team struggled.
by Prosecutor » Sun May 09, 2010 9:14 am
e0y2e3 wrote:I'm talking about the very start of Game 2 Pros, you know, when Shaq was getting feeds from LBJ and missing them and LBJ missed a five footer and made a layup in the first 1:30.
The offense turned into what you explain when they failed to execute right off the bat. We start out early w/ ball movement and open looks. After a few misses everyone devolved into grossness. Jamo opened game two off a feed going to the basket. We also had a couple of very costly early turnovers.
Brown said it point blank, they just upped the intensity and execution, the game plan on O was the same.
And if you don't think this team can miss a few shots and turn into the LeISO offense then you haven't been watching them during the LBJ era. That is standard.
by e0y2e3 » Sun May 09, 2010 1:40 pm

by leadpipe » Sun May 09, 2010 4:34 pm
Frank Duffy wrote:leadpipe wrote:FUDU wrote:Frank part of the game plan was to NOT stop Rondo, from shooting anyway. Rondo is not going to be stopped from driving all that much, especially if you try to stop him from driving. So if you play off him significantly, with a guy like AP (a good defender) you have a nice cushion to keep Rondo in front of you. If Rondo is in front of you he isn't going to hurt you nearly as much. It is when Rondo is no longer in front of you when he is dangerous. AP is good enough on D and just long enough to still get up close enough to distract Rondo shooting. We saw what happens with that plan, he cannot score enough to keep up. KG going off isn't going to hurt us, nor did it.Frank Duffy wrote:First, that was great. Nothing like winning, and LB comes through.
But... boy, did everything go right or what? What if Parker is 0 for 3 on threes instead of 3 for 3, and the lead goes down to 10 - 12 instead of 20. What if Delonte doesn't make 3 of 4 jumpers. What if the fouls are a little more even. What if the refs didn't have contempt for Big Baby. (Did you hear the hilarious crashing sound it made when Powe put him on his back near the end?)
LB was great, but will he shoot like Joe Dumars every game? And what about that D. They never stopped KG at all, or Rondo much. Allen and Pierce didn’t shoot well - bec of us? Don't know.
It would be very nice to win on Sun., but it should be more like game 1. Someone will have to step up. They have a lot of ways to win. Yesterday, most everybody stepped up (like someone mentioned, Mo had that rare non-spectacular, non-crap, useful game.) Monday, no one stepped up. Game one, Mo (and Delonte) did. Hopefully one or two will be ready.
(Mysterious sentence in Windy's article today about maybe LB got some treatment we'll never be told about. (hint hint) Boy, I hope so.)
They made the guy a scorer yesterday, which is exactly what they wanted to do. Without his facilitation, the rest of that team struggled.
Yup. But Rondo shot pretty well, no? And is AP on Rondo why Allen and Pierce shot badly? I hope so. And KG was terrific as a stretch 4. Just saying, I'm optimistic but I don't expect this to be easy.
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