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Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby Loo » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:25 pm

Decided to take a trip to Borders tonight, out of boredom, looking for a new book on something related to baseball (For those interested, I just finished Odd Man Out by Matt McCarthy and absolutely loved it). Also just started The Curse of Rocky Colavito by Terry Pluto, loving it.

Unfortunately, after browsing, I realized if money wasn't an issue, I would have walked out of there with seven books.

So, has anyone read any of the following books? Anyone highly suggest any? I'll assuredly own most of these within a year or two, but was wondering which might be the best to pick up first.

1. High Heat by Tim Wendel
2. The Unwritten Rules of Baseball (just a fun little book) by Paul Dickenson
3. Baseball's Greatest Quotations by Paul Dickenson
4. Juiced by Jose Canseco
5. Now I Can Die In Peace by Bill Simmons
6. The Seventh Inning Stretch by Josh Pahigian
7. Is This A Great Game Or What? by Tim Kurkjian
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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:53 am

Assuming you have already read Dealing and Moneyball, I would suggest Our Tribe by Terry Pluto.
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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby waborat » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:50 am

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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:17 am

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Jesus..... I guess people were right about Pluto mailing it in.

I wonder if Curious George would have less strike outs than Branyan over 500 ABs.
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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby waborat » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:28 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
I wonder if Curious George would have less strike outs than Branyan over 500 ABs.


Dude, Curious George could make better contact swingin a bananaImage
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Unread postby hermanfontenot » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:31 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I wonder if Curious George would have less strike outs than Branyan over 500 ABs.


Strikeouts are a meaningless, archaic statistic. What's Curious George's CHONE?
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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby waborat » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:43 am

hermanfontenot wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I wonder if Curious George would have less strike outs than Branyan over 500 ABs.


Strikeouts are a meaningless, archaic statistic. What's Curious George's CHONE?


Unfortunately, his APBA utilities are down
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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:17 pm

hermanfontenot wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I wonder if Curious George would have less strike outs than Branyan over 500 ABs.


Strikeouts are a meaningless, archaic statistic. What's Curious George's CHONE?


Wtf is CHONE? Figgins?

Baseball makes me laugh with it's stupid stats. What was his OPS, WHIP, PBS, or VHS?
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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby pup » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:37 pm

Jason Stark on Twitter recommends:

Dirk Hayhurst's "The Bullpen Gospels"
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Unread postby pup » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:42 pm

Here is an exert from it:

http://www.cantonrep.com/stark/canton/x1838115794/Read-an-excerpt-from-Hayhursts-The-Bullpen-Gospels

Not sure if it makes me want to read it or never even heard it existed.
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Unread postby hermanfontenot » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:55 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Wtf is CHONE? Figgins?

Baseball makes me laugh with it's stupid stats. What was his OPS, WHIP, PBS, or VHS?


What makes me laugh are all the stat dorks who pretend like baseball is this subject of impenetrable depth, way too intricate and complicated for clods like us. "Wins and losses??? You still think those are important??? LOL, what a rube!!!"
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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:07 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
hermanfontenot wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I wonder if Curious George would have less strike outs than Branyan over 500 ABs.


Strikeouts are a meaningless, archaic statistic. What's Curious George's CHONE?


Wtf is CHONE? Figgins?

Baseball makes me laugh with it's stupid stats. What was his OPS, WHIP, PBS, or VHS?


CHONE is a statistical projection for a player. Fangraphs has them on everybody's player page. It's just an alternative to Bill James's projections.

Here are the projections for Grady Sizemore:
Bill James: .272/.369/.484 25 HR 78 RBI
CHONE: .272/.370./.484 23 HR 68 RBI

Apparently, CHONE is taking the last 3 years for hitters, 4 years for pitchers, and weighting statistics based on certain variables like park factor, BABIP (batting average on balls put in play), all kinds of things.

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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:13 pm

SkatingTripods wrote:
CHONE is a statistical projection for a player. Fangraphs has them on everybody's player page. It's just an alternative to Bill James's projections.

Here are the projections for Grady Sizemore:
Bill James: .272/.369/.484 25 HR 78 RBI
CHONE: .272/.370./.484 23 HR 68 RBI

Apparently, CHONE is taking the last 3 years for hitters, 4 years for pitchers, and weighting statistics based on certain variables like park factor, BABIP (batting average on balls put in play), all kinds of things.


That crap is for nerds.

Something tells me that damn Nosco was behind this.
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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby pup » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:51 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
SkatingTripods wrote:
CHONE is a statistical projection for a player. Fangraphs has them on everybody's player page. It's just an alternative to Bill James's projections.

Here are the projections for Grady Sizemore:
Bill James: .272/.369/.484 25 HR 78 RBI
CHONE: .272/.370./.484 23 HR 68 RBI

Apparently, CHONE is taking the last 3 years for hitters, 4 years for pitchers, and weighting statistics based on certain variables like park factor, BABIP (batting average on balls put in play), all kinds of things.


That crap is for nerds.

Something tells me that damn Nosco was behind this.


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Re: Next Baseball Book Purchase?

Unread postby Loo » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:18 pm

Pup wrote:Here is an exert from it:

http://www.cantonrep.com/stark/canton/x1838115794/Read-an-excerpt-from-Hayhursts-The-Bullpen-Gospels

Not sure if it makes me want to read it or never even heard it existed.


Yup, I picked that up too. I just read Odd Man Out and doubt the Bullpen Goslpels is better, and both books are about a minor league relief pitcher (I belief). I'll probably eventually read it, but not before some others.
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