Cruise Ship Killing

[swerb]

Anyone see any of this story?

The story of the couple on their honeymoon on a cruise ship. Partying late into the night, and the husband ended up dead.

Crazy, crazy story. I had heard about this story, just saw a great 48 Hours Investigates special on it.

Would be interested in hearing anyone elses thoughts on what happened as I have some of my own.

[Lebowski]

Yeah, I remember hearing about this when it first came happened (December?).

I remember that husband and wife we partying in their room with some people (as reported by the occupants in next-door cabin). They then went to the bar-disco and continued drinking/partying. Supposedly, the wife got pretty drunk and left the bar without her husband (this seemed strange to me, was she going to look for her husband, or truly just going back to the room...in which case, why would the husband let to do this when she was obviously intoxicated?). I recall that member of the cruise ship staff found her slumped over passed out in the hall, she didnt make it back to the room.

Later, husband was seen by another passenger in the "hallway" outside his room with two individuals early in the morning. The next morning, a large blood splatter was found on a canopy below the "hallway."

IMO, he either somehow fell overboard due to his intoxication, or those two guys seen with had something to do with it. My problem with scenario 1 is that it seemed like there was too much blood for a fall overboard on a canopy.

Another interesting part of the story is that the cruise was overseas, so there are all sort of international laws that needed to be looked into onto whose police should investigate.

Has anything new come out? I havent followed the story since it first broke.

[TonyBagadonuts]

Perhaps the FBI has the evidence to resolve George's death. There are so many possible scenarios. In the absence of evidence, one can speculate almost without end.

Sounds like George got into a scuffle with one or more of the Russians and/or the other kid. When an attractive young woman is being flirtatious around a group of young men, trouble often occurs. The guys left out sometimes turn to riotous drinking, boasting, wrestling and other purile sex substitutes. The fact the Russian boys were involved in a possible "date drug" rape the following day suggests the boys may have had quite a stash of this drug, and were in full swing using it on unsuspecting females on board. Could have been they used it on Jen and George, with the idea of tag teaming Jen once George passed out?

But her eye was on the casino manager. It is pretty obvious she kicked George in the Smith family jewels, then left with "Lloyd" to go back to his cabin for some horizontal hula. She was discovered at 4:45 passed out right by a locking door leading to the crews quarters. She certainly did not want to go back and face the music with George, so she just laid down in the hall and crashed. Jen has an airtight alibi that the FBI knows, much better than "I passed out and don't remember a thing."

Sounds like she wanted to clear out the next morning without running into that party animal George, who would have no doubt inquired into her wherabouts from 3 - 4:45 when she was banging Lloyd. She woke up with her clothes still on (haven't we all at one time?), then got enough blood flowing to realize, in the immortal words of Desi Arnaz, that she had "some 'splainin' to do." So its off to the spa toute de suite, at least an hour early for her appointment. This scenario means George was either killed by the rowdy boys, or killed himself in despair after being made a cuckold.

Some loose ends that bother me: Josh, the 20 yr.-old, seemed inappropriately concerned about Jen's welfare the next morning. He was at the guest services offices as soon as he heard them paging George. He asks out of the blue about blood outside the cabin. Maybe he knows something of George's fate. He passionately laid out Jen's alibi to the Turkish police: "She was with another man." Perhaps he was just enamored with Jen. Perhaps he joined the Russian boys in a gang bang of a highly inebriated Jen, and now he feels guilty and sorry for poor George.

Maybe Jen being found by the crew quarters was part of a ruse to cover the boys' tracks after the very successful date rape gone suddenly awry. Sounds like she was hanging all over the casino manager, so it's very believable she went with him to his room. Could be the boys(and perhaps Lloyd as well) had their way with her, then noticed poor old George laying on the floor, having had his ass kicked and having lost his woman to the dog pack, was no longer breathing due to all the hard liquor (and maybe a little Ghb as a chaser). So they put her in the hallway, cleaned out George's safe, then gave him the heave ho off the balcony. Maybe in their drunkenness they thought he would hit the ocean instead of the canopy.

Poor George. He didn't protect his woman, and put himself in danger with all that drinking. But he deserved much better. If Jen merely went away and balled the casino manager, she is a little slut who will probably always feel guilty about George's death. If she was drugged to where she really had no control of her actions and really has no memory of what happened, she is to be pitied.

Fascinating case.

[swerb]

The thing that makes me think that it was not an accidental fall is the following fact:

When the ship security brought Jennifer back to her room at roughly 4:45 AM, the sliding window, screen, and drapes were all closed shut.

I have a hard time believing that anyone that drunk would take the time to close the door, screen, drapes if he went outside to smoke a nightcap stogey before passing out.

[swerb]

Link to the story for any that have not seen anything on this and are curious ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/ ... 6588.shtml