Ashtabula ::doh::

[FUDU]

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/ashtabula-crisis:-city-plans-to-pull-plows-off-roads-friday-afternoon

City is broke so they decide to pull plows off the road in the middle of the worst winter storm of the year, brilliant.

Suck it up and just keep the roads clear as best as possible even for the sake of safety. I suppose they don't think law enforcement emergencies or medical emergencies take place during winter storms.

Morons.

[jfiling]

No law says any city has to spend its money responsibly. I'm sure it's far more important to continue paying the pensions for double-dipping police officers, fire chiefs, and all the other unnecessary waste, instead of responding to the needs of the people who pay the taxes for all those "services".

[jack_tors]

No law says any city has to spend its money responsibly. I'm sure it's far more important to continue paying the pensions for double-dipping police officers, fire chiefs, and all the other unnecessary waste, instead of responding to the needs of the people who pay the taxes for all those "services".

Totally agree, this double dipping crap has to stop. Regardless of the financial status of the city, county, or state, a person shouldnt get two paychecks for a job. Its just completely absurd.

[waborat]

What double-dippin' police officers?

All 2 of them???

[peeker643]

You know what, probably more people bringing it up here than bitching about it in Ashtabula County.

4x4, drive accordingly. It doesn't keep people who have to be or want to be out in it from going out in it.

That county is as depressed economically as any in the state. No people, no jobs, no revenues. Bad situation in many ways. Snow on the road just ain't their big concern. Plus they ain't inclined to bitch about it anyway.

[FUDU]

You know what, probably more people bringing it up here than bitching about it in Ashtabula County.

4x4, drive accordingly. It doesn't keep people who have to be or want to be out in it from going out in it.

That county is as depressed economically as any in the state. No people, no jobs, no revenues. Bad situation in many ways. Snow on the road just ain't their big concern. Plus they ain't inclined to bitch about it anyway.

That might very well be the case Peek, but on the part of the city it is a very short sighted (arguably idiotic) decision with some risks. There are multiple ways to go about keeping up with this storm that are better than giving up completely b/c of a few bucks. Send the plows out for an hour at time, keep the main roads clear, try to get to the most important secondary roads when you can. If an emergency arose they would be thankful they did. Contrary to what many people think fire trucks and ambulances don't get through this stuff easy at all.

I guess if nobody in Asstabula is bitching then we know they don't have many Browns fans, right?

[FUDU]

You know what, probably more people bringing it up here than bitching about it in Ashtabula County.

4x4, drive accordingly. It doesn't keep people who have to be or want to be out in it from going out in it.

That county is as depressed economically as any in the state. No people, no jobs, no revenues. Bad situation in many ways. Snow on the road just ain't their big concern. Plus they ain't inclined to bitch about it anyway.

That might very well be the case Peek, but on the part of the city it is a very short sighted (arguably idiotic) decision with some risks. There are multiple ways to go about keeping up with this storm that are better than giving up completely b/c of a few bucks. Send the plows out for an hour at time, keep the main roads clear, try to get to the most important secondary roads when you can. If an emergency arose they would be thankful they did. Contrary to what many people think fire trucks and ambulances don't get through this stuff easy at all.

I guess if nobody in Asstabula is bitching then we know they don't have many Browns fans, right?

[FUDU]

You know what, probably more people bringing it up here than bitching about it in Ashtabula County.

4x4, drive accordingly. It doesn't keep people who have to be or want to be out in it from going out in it.

That county is as depressed economically as any in the state. No people, no jobs, no revenues. Bad situation in many ways. Snow on the road just ain't their big concern. Plus they ain't inclined to bitch about it anyway.

That might very well be the case Peek, but on the part of the city it is a very short sighted (arguably idiotic) decision with some risks. There are multiple ways to go about keeping up with this storm that are better than giving up completely b/c of a few bucks. Send the plows out for an hour at time, keep the main roads clear, try to get to the most important secondary roads when you can. If an emergency arose they would be thankful they did. Contrary to what many people think fire trucks and ambulances don't get through this stuff easy at all.

I guess if nobody in Asstabula is bitching then we know they don't have many Browns fans, right?

[dem425]

No law says any city has to spend its money responsibly. I'm sure it's far more important to continue paying the pensions for double-dipping police officers, fire chiefs, and all the other unnecessary waste, instead of responding to the needs of the people who pay the taxes for all those "services".

Jfiling:

Explain your understanding of "double-dipping" and how does that cost a city more money.

[jfiling]

No law says any city has to spend its money responsibly. I'm sure it's far more important to continue paying the pensions for double-dipping police officers, fire chiefs, and all the other unnecessary waste, instead of responding to the needs of the people who pay the taxes for all those "services".

Jfiling:

Explain your understanding of "double-dipping" and how does that cost a city more money.

Collecting a pension from one job while working the same or another job for the same city. It's legalized theft.

BTW, I have no idea of if that's the problem in Ashtabula, but just tossed that in as a common form of a local government wasting tax dollars.

[waborat]

The bigger problem is the local unions that the politicians award contracts to...

They say they don't have the money to pay the overtime?

Well, you also have the largest uemployment of any county...

Here's an idea:

How 'bout asking your local out-of-work citizens if they have a good, valid driver's license and then try and see if they'd be willing to push some sugar around for let's say $10 an hour?

I bet you'd have the cleanest streets in Ohio

[Ziner]

That would make too much sense wabo. I thought of that the other day when I had to call the unemployment office for my wife (no we arent going to do this again) to get tax forms forwarded to our new address. (that we had to change because she attempted to get a new job the entire time ).

But anyways to my point, I had to wait on hold for a half hour because they were so overwhelmed at the unemployment office in Illinois. Now I know this might take some out of the box thinking, but what about hiring some of those unemployed workers to answer phones and work at the unemployment office. They could make more money than on unemployment and I wouldnt have to wait for 30 minutes to change an address.

[jb]

This bitch post is a gret case study for the young GOP govenment hatas. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Thera some weather. Where is big goby to save ME. Booo hoop. Ayn Rand says start a snow plow company or wait till May. Boo hoo.

Pay taxes or drive in snow.

Fucktardz. So intellectually dishonest.

[Ziner]

This bitch post is a gret case study for the young GOP govenment hatas. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Thera some weather. Where is big goby to save ME. Booo hoop. Ayn Rand says start a snow plow company or wait till May. Boo hoo.

Pay taxes or drive in snow.

Fucktardz. So intellectually dishonest.

Your biggest problem is you are so intellectually dishonest and so blinded by GOP hate that you choose to ignore the argument. Come on man, this gets so old. You are better than this, especially being someone that tells everyone else to cut the bullshit. No one has said all government is bad or all government programs are a waste of money. Beyond that you apparently can't distinguish between City, County, State and Federal governments and their roles in this argument or other arguments. Being for small government doesn't mean no street plowing, parks or schools. It starts to get old when you continually misrepresent people's or party's positions. It doesnt bring a whole hell of a lot to the table.

That said, screw all the plowing, My American made, union made, Jeep doesn't have a problem with the snow so I can go where ever I want. Meanwhile the liberals can have fun with their Prius buried under that snow and unable to get to the end of the driveway

[jfiling]

By the way, Dem, I should have mentioned that I can't really blame the people who double-dip for doing it, since it's the politicians who agreed to the system in the first place. I would have a hard time turning down both a pension and a job if it was offered.

[jb]

No law says any city has to spend its money responsibly. I'm sure it's far more important to continue paying the pensions for double-dipping police officers, fire chiefs, and all the other unnecessary waste, instead of responding to the needs of the people who pay the taxes for all those "services".

JD- u sure that isn't an OPERS deal ?

Dif budgets. Sides, don't knock public pensions. Z will protest, that free market wild man who has most of what he has via ur tax dollars.

[jfiling]

I have to say I don't find it impressive when people argue against the cartoon versions of the people they disagree with, instead of the actual people. Plus, I'm pretty sure the unemployment argument was already done.

If unemployment taxes didn't exist, those would be paid to all the workers. Since they do exist, I can't see any argument against collecting unemployment benefits, which aren't all that impressive anyway. I guess I could be the Randist caricature and say that without unemployment taxes, and every state paying people to work in unemployment offices, there would be more private sector employment. That probably would be true, but the safety net that unemployment insurance provides seems to be a cheap mitigation for changing economic conditions.

[jb]

The bigger problem is the local unions that the politicians award contracts to...

They say they don't have the money to pay the overtime?

Well, you also have the largest uemployment of any county...

Here's an idea:

How 'bout asking your local out-of-work citizens if they have a good, valid driver's license and then try and see if they'd be willing to push some sugar around for let's say $10 an hour?

I bet you'd have the cleanest streets in Ohio

That's public work and that is socialism. Obama !

Oh hell naw.

Put a tea bag on the road instead.

[jb]

I have to say I don't find it impressive when people argue against the cartoon versions of the people they disagree with, instead of the actual people. Plus, I'm pretty sure the unemployment argument was already done.

If unemployment taxes didn't exist, those would be paid to all the workers. Since they do exist, I can't see any argument against collecting unemployment benefits, which aren't all that impressive anyway. I guess I could be the Randist caricature and say that without unemployment taxes, and every state paying people to work in unemployment offices, there would be more private sector employment. That probably would be true, but the safety net that unemployment insurance provides seems to be a cheap mitigation for changing economic conditions.

For the 1,000,000th time, I don't either.

Just don't embrace those who make a livelihood ( aka GOP pols) out of ripping those who do as you do.

Can't be any mor clearer than Rush on hillbilly heroin.

[waborat]

Put a tea bag on the road instead.

DON'T!!!

Hairs always stick

[jb]

I have to say I don't find it impressive when people argue against the cartoon versions of the people they disagree with, instead of the actual people. Plus, I'm pretty sure the unemployment argument was already done.

If unemployment taxes didn't exist, those would be paid to all the workers. Since they do exist, I can't see any argument against collecting unemployment benefits, which aren't all that impressive anyway. I guess I could be the Randist caricature and say that without unemployment taxes, and every state paying people to work in unemployment offices, there would be more private sector employment. That probably would be true, but the safety net that unemployment insurance provides seems to be a cheap mitigation for changing economic conditions.

I always go after the issue and not the person except when shown that can't be the playground wereon. And I can ride the short bus to the playground as well as any fucktard from here to Gardinia until I get bored.

When I go after Ziner on the dole, it is 100% issue based until he comes correct.

If OJ in his 20s having not seen enough of life, or your beliefs inside Ayn Rands' thighs can't hearths staigns of Zimmerman's Like aRolling Stone? Not my problem.

Live long enough, you will.

And I sincerely hope you live a long, healthy, happy life busting my balls.

Peace, JD

I wear no ideological jersey. I am too complex for that.

[Orenthal]

I'm not surprised that they do not have enough money to plow streets considering they have zero economic activity. I don't know diddly about their economic decisions, so cannot comment on specifics, and would rather save my broad based generalities and ideological soapboxing for a JB thread...

[jb]

I'm not surprised that they do not have enough money to plow streets considering they have zero economic activity. I don't know diddly about their economic decisions, so cannot comment on specifics, and would rather save my broad based generalities and ideological soapboxing for a JB thread...

Their jobs are in China. It sucks. I swear to you all where u were swimming in ur Daddy's nuts we made things here. We decided to stop.

Ashtabula is the story of Ohio.

There is no ideology. There is only math. I seriously feel sorry for all u basterds who think it was always thus. It it THE American tragedy.

Either you are a real American or not. Othter than that is is a matter of knowledge.

[Orenthal]

I know of no bigger hypocrite in terms of ideology then Ayn Rand.

JB I agree that us being a society of consumers who produce nothing is the downfall of not only our economy, but also of our values. I'm sure I differ on the why's and how's that was caused, but thats for another thread.

[jfiling]

I know of no bigger hypocrite in terms of ideology then Ayn Rand.

I would love for you to elaborate on that thought. I'm not looking to lay a trap or anything, but I'd love to know how you came to know that. BTW, I love the Ayn Rand quote I have in my sig, and I enjoyed a few of her books ("Atlas Shrugged" and "Anthem"), as well as the movie "The Fountainhead", but I'm not an Objectivist, more of a middle-of-the-line libertarian.

[Ziner]

Just don't embrace those who make a livelihood ( aka GOP pols) out of ripping those who do as you do.

But instead you embrace those who make a livelihood by buying votes through handouts with no concern or desire to provide those people a hand up and off the gov't dime. got it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27821595/

Can't believe the way that GOP pol ripped those on unemployment.

[Orenthal]

I prefer this guy...
http://www.npr.org/watchingwashington/2010/03/should_we_thank_jim_bunning_fo.html

He fits the bill of a guy holding a group to their promise. "Pay as You Go," now that is funny...

[FUDU]

Can somebody link me to the JB political speak translator, or give me some of what he is snorting.

Geez.

[jb]

Just don't embrace those who make a livelihood ( aka GOP pols) out of ripping those who do as you do.

But instead you embrace those who make a livelihood by buying votes through handouts with no concern or desire to provide those people a hand up and off the gov't dime. got it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27821595/

Can't believe the way that GOP pol ripped those on unemployment.

All that I embrace is intellectual honesty.

End of list. Like u and OJ are gonna run me by dropping "dem" on me like that is ugly or something.

Pack lunches, bitches. I've been drpping bombs since ur lunch was titties. Just is what it is, swag free.

Don't mean I'm madatcha. I ain't.

Kanichiwah, bitches. I actually like yous.

I am no more left than George Will, no more right than JFK.

And as for always thinking Im "right"? Lmmfao. Older I get just means less I'm sure of, except faulty piss poor "logic" and the cynicism I feel from the hypocracy I read.

What Lee is to the domain, I am to this forum.

No quarter asked, none given.

Never ever means it is personal to me. I am my own jersey.

[jb]

Can somebody link me to the JB political speak translator, or give me some of what he is snorting.

Geez.

centrist: America first.

Like Stevie wonder taking pictures, so advanced, anyone can do it

[jb]

Just don't embrace those who make a livelihood ( aka GOP pols) out of ripping those who do as you do.

But instead you embrace those who make a livelihood by buying votes through handouts with no concern or desire to provide those people a hand up and off the gov't dime. got it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27821595/

Can't believe the way that GOP pol ripped those on unemployment.

had you lived in KY, you'd have voted for Jim Bunniing.

Probably had a yard sign.

[FUDU]

Can somebody link me to the JB political speak translator, or give me some of what he is snorting.

Geez.

centrist: America first.

Like Stevie wonder taking pictures, so advanced, anyone can do it

Hey you know I got your back all day (when I can understand your ass), but sometimes you remind of number 3:

[waborat]

Can somebody link me to the JB political speak translator, or give me some of what he is snorting.

Geez.

centrist: America first.

Like Stevie wonder taking pictures, so advanced, anyone can do it

Hey you know I got your back all day (when I can understand your ass), but sometimes you remind of number 3:

Our own Fenster...

Perfect

[Fire Marshall Bill]

So, as I understand it then, OSU football is the biggest industry in Ohio?

...next to sod farming?

[peeker643]

So, as I understand it then, OSU football is the biggest industry in Ohio?

...next to sod farming?

Pfffttt... please.

You have any idea just how healthy the methamphetamine industry is in Ashtabula County?

It's their fucking Pfizer.

Just not taxed.

Yet.

[waborat]

So, as I understand it then, OSU football is the biggest industry in Ohio?

...next to sod farming?

Pfffttt... please.

You have any idea just how healthy the methamphetamine industry is in Ashtabula County?

It's their fucking Pfizer.

Just not taxed.

Yet.

Industry?

Please...

Lesson number two: Don't get high on your own supply

[peeker643]

So, as I understand it then, OSU football is the biggest industry in Ohio?

...next to sod farming?

Pfffttt... please.

You have any idea just how healthy the methamphetamine industry is in Ashtabula County?

It's their fucking Pfizer.

Just not taxed.

Yet.

Industry?

Please...

Lesson number two: Don't get high on your own supply

That's what the jealous naysayers used to tell old Johnny Daniels as he sipped and sipped and sipped my friend.

You wait til Ashtabula Tweak dominates the market one day like KY Bourbon does the local liquor stores. I might get in on it myself with:

Peek's Kingsville Tweak- "When 52 Sleepless Hours Still Ain't Enough"
* Now with Flouride !! *

Clearly it'll be marketed legally to Tank Commanders, fat people, Parkinson patients and those unable to afford the finer cocaine.

Of course you won't be able to live anywhere near Ashtabula given the Love Canal like effect on the environment that producing it will cause. But fuck it, it ain't like it's all that anyway.

[waborat]

So, as I understand it then, OSU football is the biggest industry in Ohio?

...next to sod farming?

Pfffttt... please.

You have any idea just how healthy the methamphetamine industry is in Ashtabula County?

It's their fucking Pfizer.

Just not taxed.

Yet.

Industry?

Please...

Lesson number two: Don't get high on your own supply

That's what the jealous naysayers used to tell old Johnny Daniels as he sipped and sipped and sipped my friend.

You wait til Ashtabula Tweak dominates the market one day like KY Bourbon does the local liquor stores. I might get in on it myself with:

Peek's Kingsville Tweak- "When 52 Sleepless Hours Still Ain't Enough"
* Now with Flouride !! *

Clearly it'll be marketed legally to Tank Commanders, fat people, Parkinson patients and those unable to afford the finer cocaine.

Of course you won't be able to live anywhere near Ashtabula given the Love Canal like effect on the environment that producing it will cause. But fuck it, it ain't like it's all that anyway.

Peek's Tweak World Headquarters

[peeker643]

No way Rob- I'm going large:



It's going to be hard to hide that in the woods but where there's a will, there's a way.

Maybe a camo-paint on all of the structure?

[Orenthal]

I know of no bigger hypocrite in terms of ideology then Ayn Rand.

I would love for you to elaborate on that thought. I'm not looking to lay a trap or anything, but I'd love to know how you came to know that. BTW, I love the Ayn Rand quote I have in my sig, and I enjoyed a few of her books ("Atlas Shrugged" and "Anthem"), as well as the movie "The Fountainhead", but I'm not an Objectivist, more of a middle-of-the-line libertarian.

jfil, it has nothing to do with what she wrote, but how she ran her own organization.

I can find more, but here is a quick sample. Notice the source, kind of ironic...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/219001

[jfiling]

I know of no bigger hypocrite in terms of ideology then Ayn Rand.

I would love for you to elaborate on that thought. I'm not looking to lay a trap or anything, but I'd love to know how you came to know that. BTW, I love the Ayn Rand quote I have in my sig, and I enjoyed a few of her books ("Atlas Shrugged" and "Anthem"), as well as the movie "The Fountainhead", but I'm not an Objectivist, more of a middle-of-the-line libertarian.

jfil, it has nothing to do with what she wrote, but how she ran her own organization.

I can find more, but here is a quick sample. Notice the source, kind of ironic...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/219001

Fair enough. I'd be the last person to argue that Rand wasn't flawed, and she certainly did demand cult-like behavior from her acolytes. Probably why I don't look to her personal life as some sort of ideal, but I do think she had a lot of good ideas, as well as some unrealistic ones.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

No way Rob- I'm going large:



It's going to be hard to hide that in the woods but where there's a will, there's a way.

Maybe a camo-paint on all of the structure?

Dude...

http://www.vfp62.com/Lockheed.html

[peeker643]

No way Rob- I'm going large:



It's going to be hard to hide that in the woods but where there's a will, there's a way.

Maybe a camo-paint on all of the structure?

Dude...

http://www.vfp62.com/Lockheed.html

Brilliant.

I wonder if I can get a government loan for that stuff.

And maybe the fake homes, trees and shrubs can be procured from a surplus store someplace?

Actually, if I'm gonna be a playa one of those planes might be necessary as well.

It's all coming together now.