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Looting or Survival?

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:19 pm

CNN has a link with the question as it pertains to the situation in Haiti. I can't get to it here at work because it's a streaming video but I just wondered if the posters here have any thoughts.

Is it justified given the circumstances or is it simply a crime of opportunity?

Medicines, supplies, electronics, etc. Is the line drawn at what's being taken or is there even a line when you're in a survival situation?
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Doc » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:41 pm

When I saw the footage of New Orleans after Katrina, I thought that it was most definitely looting. Guys carrying around TVs through waist-high water. And in any situation where the law is pre-occupied with a much larger situation (hurricane, earthquake, riots), you're going to get people trying to get over on The Man. That's a foregone conclusion.

I guess it's all dependent on what is being "looted". That's a very basic way of looking at it, but I'm not going to fault a guy in a 3rd world country for trying to take some food or some water. That doesn't make it right, but I can see it. I'd do the same if I was in that situation, and I'd imagine most readers on this board would as well. That doesn't make it legal, but in a life and death situation, I'm not really concerned with what the law says.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:44 pm

When your actions are depriving the impoverished and needy then I don't see how it can be justified even if you are in a desperate situation yourself.

If to survive in the present circumstances is to pilfer and expropriate in such violent ways then every person who poor or downtrodden would indulge in the practice, which incites nothing but chaos and compounds the suffering of others.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:13 pm

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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Bayou Tribe » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:19 pm

2 rules of thumb....



1) If it's going to expire (food related), take it.

2) If there's no electricity, put the flat screen down.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:53 am

If you're going to die of thirst, it's ok to steal water. If you're going to die of hunger, it's ok to steal bread. But if you're stealing these things to re-sell to make a profit, you're a world class scumbag.

You gotta nip it in the bud or it can spiral out of control and lead to increased lawlessness. We saw that in Iraq.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:25 am

Reports are getting worse, of course, 200,000 possibly dead. 1.5 million homeless. People attacking each other with machetes and bottles for beer and rum. Hopefully the massive amount of food/ water will be delivered in the next few days to help quell the unrest. It's Lord of the Flies there right now, and will continue to be until supplies are abundant.

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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby jb » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:41 pm

If it is your shit being taken, it is looting.

If you takin the shit, it's survival.

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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:38 pm

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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby dem425 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:39 pm

I have a friend who was a first responder on an SRT that went in immediately after Katrina. He said the very first thing they saw was operating gas stations/convenience stores charging $20/gallon for gas AND water. Nothing like gouging your fellow man in a time of desperation and need..........

I also agree with the posters who said, if you are stealing food to eat, I understand. But why are you looting PS3s and XBoxes????

Hang onto your guns!!!!

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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:04 pm

dem425 wrote:I have a friend who was a first responder on an SRT that went in immediately after Katrina. He said the very first thing they saw was operating gas stations/convenience stores charging $20/gallon for gas AND water. Nothing like gouging your fellow man in a time of desperation and need..........



I know, I remember paying $4.25 a gallon for gas after Katrina. I was surprised it was legal to do that.

But that's the price you pay with a whore for the oil business in office.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby dem425 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:24 am

CDT:

You certainly are a conundrum, my friend.................A gun lover who hates fundamentalism and Bush!!!!!!

Is it safe to say you aren't real happy now???????
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:07 pm

I think you have to view certain items as necessary for survival, so I wouldn't call it looting per say. At this point though I would certainly hope people taking any type of food, water, clothing or shelter that belongs to somebody else would be willing to share it as much as possible with others trying to survive through this until ample help arrives.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:06 pm

What if you're stealing an xbox to trade for water? Or what if you're using the xbox to beat down a guy hoarding water? What's the call there?
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby dem425 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:46 pm

In a time of disaster, should you choose to be philanthropic, that's your call. In a perfect world, we should "help those less fortunate", "there but for the grace of God", etc, etc, etc...

However, two things to consider when chaos supplants order:

1. Be prepared
2. Protect what you've prepared

Then the decisions are yours............
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:37 pm

dem425 wrote:CDT:

You certainly are a conundrum, my friend.................A gun lover who hates fundamentalism and Bush!!!!!!

Is it safe to say you aren't real happy now???????



I'm happy as a clam.

I don't think I hate fundametalism, I just don't want it on my gun.

I was raised on guns, I got my first .22 when I was 6. I'm a firm believer in the motto "The best defense against tyranny is a well armed populous".
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby jb » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:36 pm

Erie Warrior wrote:What if you're stealing an xbox to trade for water? Or what if you're using the xbox to beat down a guy hoarding water? What's the call there?



What if the latesr MW was just coming out?

Or madden after a Browns' super bowl.

I'd loot.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby jb » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:38 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote: I'm a firm believer in the motto "The best defense against tyranny is a well armed populous".



What are you and your Red dawn buddies gonna shoot at an Abrams and a gunship hovering over your head?

And would you be "buckeyes" instead of "wolverines" ?


Insert eye rolling emoticon here.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:18 pm

JB wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote: I'm a firm believer in the motto "The best defense against tyranny is a well armed populous".



What are you and your Red dawn buddies gonna shoot at an Abrams and a gunship hovering over your head?

And would you be "buckeyes" instead of "wolverines" ?


Insert eye rolling emoticon here.


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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby jb » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:21 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
JB wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote: I'm a firm believer in the motto "The best defense against tyranny is a well armed populous".



What are you and your Red dawn buddies gonna shoot at an Abrams and a gunship hovering over your head?

And would you be "buckeyes" instead of "wolverines" ?


Insert eye rolling emoticon here.


.50 cal, IED's, Sicky Bombs and some Sun Tzu?



Like grapes being made into wine.

An armed mob fringe militia would be no match for the USAF. maybe the ATF might be a fair fight. maybe.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:19 pm

JB wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
JB wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote: I'm a firm believer in the motto "The best defense against tyranny is a well armed populous".



What are you and your Red dawn buddies gonna shoot at an Abrams and a gunship hovering over your head?

And would you be "buckeyes" instead of "wolverines" ?


Insert eye rolling emoticon here.


.50 cal, IED's, Sicky Bombs and some Sun Tzu?



Like grapes being made into wine.

An armed mob fringe militia would be no match for the USAF. maybe the ATF might be a fair fight. maybe.



stfu JB.

I'm not in a "fringe milita". Which is a misnomer since all militias would be fringe.

A Militia today is for dumb hillbilly white trash Klan supporters.

Oh and dumbass, when did I ever say I was going to fight the military? You just assume that because of one quote? "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

You're just pissed you can't get your sausage fingers behind a trigger guard.

But to answer the only thing in your post that wasn't a pile of dumb. I wouldn't be a Buckeye or Wolverine, i'd be part of the Ohio Grassmen. Lurking, watching, no proof we exist, no proof we don't.

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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby dem425 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:20 pm

CDT:

Thank God, I re-read your post twice..............At first I thought you said, "Gassman".......That name my friend, has already been taken by yours truly.......


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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:37 pm

dem425 wrote:CDT:

Thank God, I re-read your post twice..............At first I thought you said, "Gassman".......That name my friend, has already been taken by yours truly.......


Uncle Pepto


Damn..... I thought Gassman belonged to be after I eat hot wing or chili.

But as you are my senior, the name is all yours.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby jfiling » Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:16 pm

Reports of anarchy and looting in Haiti are looking to be as reliable as the same reports that were refuted in New Orleans. People are essentially good. There are always those looking to take advantage of a disaster like this (from the few people stealing tvs that they won't be able to make a profit with to people like Obama looking to be a good guy by pledging $100,000,000 even though that hasn't even begun to make its way through Congress), but the overwhelming majority of the people there are just trying to help each other.

I'm very thankful for the world the Red Cross is doing, and sickened by all the "hangers on"-type charities trying to use this disaster as a fund-raiser. Fuck you, "Save the Children", who wants to proselytize their bizarre fundamental Christian beliefs as a condition of giving aid, and whose commercials are all over the television now.
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Re: Looting or Survival?

Unread postby jfiling » Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:20 pm

This seemed to be the right thread to post this:

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/201 ... talit.html

The dominoes are falling on the heroes in blue and their despicable actions following Hurricane Katrina.
A New Orleans police officer who fired his gun at civilians on the Danziger Bridge a week after Hurricane Katrina pleaded guilty in federal court Thursday, offering a chilling account of what transpired on the bridge that early September day in 2005.

Sorry if this ruffles some feathers, but I just had to post this. I'm hoping someone can explain to me how firing on fleeing unarmed people not suspected of any possible crime is justified, as well as to how these assholes have been able to lawyer-up as long as they have.
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