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by consigliere » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:55 am
by StewieG » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:03 am
by davemanddd » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:24 pm
StewieG wrote:I still watch. It hasn't been bad this year, but it's still missing some of that season 1 magic. Like when future Hiro stopped time and warned Peter of the future? That was friggin awesome. It needs something like that.Personally what I would do is give them a reason to work together. All of them, even Sylar. Give them a huge threat to beat. They sort of had that idea with the government, and Denko, but they screwed it up. They got a couple of really good episodes out of it, but overall they missed the boat. They also had it with Villains, but again, they just didn't do a very good job. Things like time travel have their place, but they can't be formulaic. Really what the show needs is more creative writers. The overall idea of the themes are good, but the execution is lacking.
by davemanddd » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:42 pm
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by motherscratcher » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:50 pm
by davemanddd » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:21 pm
Motherscratcher wrote:I can't believe what I'm reading here. I have seen every episode of Heroes made. Every season.For the life of me I can't figure out why I'm still watching. It's awful. Just terrible. It keeps getting worse.I'm dumbfounded why you guys like it. I'm not trying to slam anyone who's watching and digging it. I definitely respect your opinions on stuff. I'm just terribly surprised. I really expected to read through this thread and have everyone talking about how bad it's gotten.Dang, I need to gather myself and come up with a coherent thought on the matter.
by motherscratcher » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:05 am
davemanddd wrote:Motherscratcher wrote:I can't believe what I'm reading here. I have seen every episode of Heroes made. Every season.For the life of me I can't figure out why I'm still watching. It's awful. Just terrible. It keeps getting worse.I'm dumbfounded why you guys like it. I'm not trying to slam anyone who's watching and digging it. I definitely respect your opinions on stuff. I'm just terribly surprised. I really expected to read through this thread and have everyone talking about how bad it's gotten.Dang, I need to gather myself and come up with a coherent thought on the matter.um, if you think it's so awful then why do you continue watching it??? it's just like what mike trivisonno said on his radio show the other day. people will call up and bitch about what an ass he is and yet they still listen to his program??? what's up with that??? sorry but i won't continue watching a show i don't like or lose interest in. i want to be entertained, not bored. when i'm bored and not entertained, i just simply grab my remote and turn the channel. there's plenty of other fare available to pique my interest. i mean when "e/r" first came out, i thought it was the shiznit and it truly was "must see tv" for me for years, but once they killed off anthony edwards' dr. green character, i completely lost interest in it and within just a few episodes of the next season, i never watched it again. i have to admit that the 2nd and 3rd seasons of "heroes" weren't as good as the first, but it has certainly rebounded this year. this samuel sullivan character they introduced this year is truly a compelling person to follow and the continuing story line of the combined sylar/nathan is truly a brilliant story line. if you can't see this, well then i guess that's your prerogative, but i for one find it extremely entertaining.
by davemanddd » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:59 am
Motherscratcher wrote:I watch it for 2 main reasons. 1. I loved it at the beginning. Once I get in a habit of watching something I have a hard time giving it up. The only thing I've given up on in the last few years because I didn't like it any more was Nip/Tuck. I'm the same way with movies. No matter how bad it is I always watch to the end.2. My wife is still hanging in there with it. I get to pick just about EVERYTHING we watch. So, when it is something she likes I stick with it as long as she wants to. We DVR everything so when I ask her what she wants to watch and she says "Heroes" I'd be a major dick to complain.(I gave up on ER when Dr. Green got locked in the cat scan room by the escaped mental patient who was his girlfriend and posed as a doctor for half of whatever season that was. I never missed an episode prior to that...never saw one after.)I meant what I said in my first post. I don't fault anyone for liking it this season, and I don't think anyone is an idiot or something like that. I was genuinely surprised to be the only one on the board who doesn't. I really did want to put some decent thoughts together as to why I don't like it right now. But, since I'm here, a few thoughts of the top of my head: (may be spoilers here. I don't even know what I'm going to write yet.)1. Samuel Sullivan is truly compelling. I love Robert Knepper. He was the best actor on Prison Break and he's the best on Heroes now. No complaints with that guy. The problem is it took so damn long to really involve him and the Carnival. For most of the beginning of this season they devoted only a few minutes an episode to it and most of the episodes devoted to things like Claire's retarded college adventures. It's the only interesting thing happening now and there should have been WAY more time devoted to it.2. Peter Patrelli (Milo whatever). Worst actor ever. He's so bad it's hard to fathom.3. HRG used to be cool. They made him into a conflicted douche just trying to make his way. I hate what they made his character into.4. Look what they did to Parkman. I don't know if he's a bad actor. It's impossible to tell with the terrible writing and ridiculous scenes. You mean to tell me that when Sylar was in his head, and he KNEW, that Sylar was in his head, he couldn't keep from yelling out at him time and time again? He would be having these shouting matches with Sylar in front of people who thought he was losing it, yet he couldn't control himself. At all. I mean, hasn't the guy ever seen A Beautiful Mind?5. Too many ridiculously played out scenes. Eg: the scene when Parkman/Sylar is at the hospital and Nathan is in the bed. Parkman is in between Sylar and Nathan yelling at Nathan not to touch him so Sylar can get into him. It's such a poorly written acted and conceived scene. Basically, all Parkman is doing there is narrating what is happening because they are worried that their audience is so damn stupid they won't be able to follow. I prefer things that aren't force fed me. If I miss a few things things that's OK. More Ah-Ha moments later. You don't have to dumb it down for me like I'm an idiot.6. Too many times when things didn't make sense. One example is the Sorority girl who can disappear being at Claire's college. She is some kind of sorority sister of president or something. Whatever it is, it is clear that she has been there for a few years. So what, are we supposed to believe that she was sent there 2 freakin' years ahead of time on the chance that Claire would apply to college there? I suppose there are time travel scenarios that can be used to explain it, but they all lead to accepting that Teebag and the Carnies like to make a job as long and difficult as possible.Also, just last episode, when Peter goes after Sylar. Peter meets with the Haitian to take his power. This basically means that nobody will be able to use their power around Peter, so Sylar would be powerless. Except, of course in the elevator when Sylar is shape shifted and has super strength. He picks Peter up by the neck and flings him across the room. HOW? Then, he's in the room with Peter and suddenly he can't use his power. How come it didn't work in the elevator?It's fucking lazy writing. None of these things are that important, but they add up. The writers are counting on us not noticing crap like this or not caring. Well, I freakin' care.7. To many wasted/dumb characters. Eg, Claire's friend. She's not as bad as the fat buddy in V, but she's still worthless. And, the deaf music chick. Maybe she will eventually do something interesting/important, but they've sure spent a lot of time on her storyline that could have been devoted to the Carnies (The one thing that is WAY more interesting than anything else going on). I have absolutely no confidence that the writers have the ability to make her relevant enough to justify the time spent on her. I hope I'm proven wrong.There, see...I knew I would just ramble on about it. My plan was to come up with a few coherent thoughts, not to just wing a bunch of stuff that probably makes little sense.I think what probably comers through, though, is that I used to love the show and have a lot invested in it and am ultimately just a disappointed fan.
by davemanddd » Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:17 pm
by motherscratcher » Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:16 pm
davemanddd wrote:by the way, now that nathan is "officially" dead, how do they go about "officially" telling the powers-that-be how an up and coming hot shot senator died several months ago and how it was all just covered up??? his real body has obviously been embalmed and stored in a freezer in a store-and-lockit all this time so they can't exactly just unthaw it and pull off a funeral as if it just happened yesterday. it's got stitches in his neck that will almost certainly raise the suspicion of any legitimate coroner and so it will be interesting to see how they pull this off.
by That_Guy™ » Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:33 pm
Motherscratcher wrote:davemanddd wrote:by the way, now that nathan is "officially" dead, how do they go about "officially" telling the powers-that-be how an up and coming hot shot senator died several months ago and how it was all just covered up??? his real body has obviously been embalmed and stored in a freezer in a store-and-lockit all this time so they can't exactly just unthaw it and pull off a funeral as if it just happened yesterday. it's got stitches in his neck that will almost certainly raise the suspicion of any legitimate coroner and so it will be interesting to see how they pull this off.I hadn't thought about that but it's a good question. If I were them I would try to involve Arlen Specter somehow.
by davemanddd » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:02 pm
by StewieG » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:27 pm
davemanddd wrote:good idea but claire's blood only heals living tissue. it does not bring people back from the dead. believe it or not, even she can die. if her head is cut off or if you stab her right in the back of the neck at the brain stem where her skull and spinal column meet, she will most certainly die then.
by davemanddd » Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:46 pm
StewieG wrote:davemanddd wrote:good idea but claire's blood only heals living tissue. it does not bring people back from the dead. believe it or not, even she can die. if her head is cut off or if you stab her right in the back of the neck at the brain stem where her skull and spinal column meet, she will most certainly die then.I think it can bring people back from the dead. When Noah was shot in the eye a couple seasons ago, he died. Claire died when that stick punctured her head. Sylar has died a couple times.But I think the way they resolve it (if they ever do) is to have him go "missing".
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