Mayweather - Finally A Fight He Can't Dodge

[swerb]

Piece of shit cannot dodge Manny.

If he does (and he wil try), every question he gets from every reporter will be about Manny. He'll have to retire again if he doesn't have the sack to fight Pac Man. Even the mainstream Mayweather ass kissers like Brian Kenny will be all over him.

Plus, the amount of money that will be involved.

Biggest. Fight. EVER.

[Guest]

It has to happen.
But it won't get done.
I hope i'm wrong.

[Rusty]

IF Floyd ever takes this fight, he will do everything humanly possible to make it as boring as possible. He will run, he will clench, he will potshot and run some more, he will cry foul whenever possible and will pray for a close hometown decision.

Every Mayweather PPV = Total waste of time and money every single time. Every time. Joe Calzaghe's career laughs at him.

How great would it be to see an all-time great fighter like Pac go up against real warriors like Pryor, Mancini, Arguello, etc?

Mayweather ducks every single one of those guys in their primes, Manny goes into battle with all of them. That's the difference.

[swerb]

Manny deserves more than 50% of the purse in this fight. But he'll take 50% to get it done. Floyd has run out of excuses.

One of the great parts about how dominating that win was last night is that it cemented 50% for Manny. Hopefully the fight sold up over a million PPV's to further bolster Pac Man's case.

Floyd, such a puss ... doesn't even attend last night even though he lives 15 min from MGM. Hope he got a good look at Cotto's face after that fight. Floyd is terrified of actually getting hit.

And probably wishing he was still retired right now.

[noles1]

No way he can dodge it and actually remain credible.

Guy's resume is already light as shit. Never fought Cotto or Mosley. Constantly dodged guys throughout his career and his last 5 years have not prepared him for Pacman.

I really like Pacman in it. If you remember De La Hoya should have kept jabbing and Floyd would have a mark in the L column. He didn't listen to Roach and its why Roach quit on him. Manny listens and executes the gameplan and beat Floyd.

Agree with Swerb on the money thing. This can do 2MM buys, IMO. Have a buddy that loves Floyd and swears he is too quick. I just dont agree. Plus liking Floyd is like rooting for a rapist, I mean that is what he basically does anyway with fight fans.

[swerb]

Two other things going against Floyd ...

One is that Manny will likely take 50% to fight him, which will hamper Mayweather's ability to hide behind money issues to avoid making this fight. What Mayweather will likely do is say he has to get 55% to make the fight, and throw out all these bull shit stats to support that outlandish claim. The DelaHoya fight was one of the biggest PPVs ever, but the reality is that Oscar sold more PPVs than Floyd in that fight. Also, Floyd will argue that more people will be paying to see him than Manny, which is horseshit, especially after last night. He'll also try and blame Arum and Top Rank. But Arum and Roach are much more savvy and smart than Floyd and his team of criminals and thugs. And if I know these moves are coming, they sure as shit know as well ... and will be a step ahead of Floyd's crew in how they try and spin it to the media.

Two is that Mosely/Berto is still over two months away. THANK GOD that fight has already been inked. Cause you know god damn well after that fight last night ... Mayweather is thinking of ways he can make the Mosley fight instead of the Pac Man fight. He knows he'll beat Shane, exactly his kind of fight. And Shane can't hurt his pretty face the way Pac Man would. Floyd's problem? That fight is still two months away. The media, the fans, theres a lot of pressure for this Manny/Floyd fight to be made. He can't wait 70 days and then hope Shane beats Berto. He may try though.

[stonepm]

No way he can dodge it and actually remain credible.

Guy's resume is already light as shit. Never fought Cotto or Mosley. Constantly dodged guys throughout his career and his last 5 years have not prepared him for Pacman.

I really like Pacman in it. If you remember De La Hoya should have kept jabbing and Floyd would have a mark in the L column. He didn't listen to Roach and its why Roach quit on him. Manny listens and executes the gameplan and beat Floyd.

Agree with Swerb on the money thing. This can do 2MM buys, IMO. Have a buddy that loves Floyd and swears he is too quick. I just dont agree. Plus liking Floyd is like rooting for a rapist, I mean that is what he basically does anyway with fight fans.

FTR, I don't like Floyd, but I wouldn't exactly call his resume "light". He has fought Judah, Hatton, DeLa Hoya, Gatti. And in the lower WC, Castillo, Corrales. Not exactly a list of unknowns. And he surprisingly looked pretty good against a geriatric and overweight Marquez. That being said, I think he loses to Hatton if Cortez wouldn't have kept pulling them apart even though they weren't holding. That pretty much eliminated Hattons style of boxing, whic I think cost him the fight. But he did knock him out nonetheless and that surprised me cuz Mayweather seemed to lose a lot of power as he moved up in weight. I think Floyd is gonna try to duck Pacquiao, but eventualy I think his love of money might overpower his ego (and sense)

[jfiling]

Since money has come up, I'll try researching, but I thought I'd put this question out here. Is there any precedent for both fighters to take, say, 45%, with the winner getting the remaining 10%?

[stonepm]

BTW, I didn't hear anything so I am assuming Cotto didn't have a re-match clause?

[bustedknuckles]

They can structure the purse split however they want/need to structure it to make the fight.

For instance, Hopkins/Jones rematch is a straight 50/50 split unless there is a KO then its 60/40 to the winner.

I don't think that is going to be the issue. With PPV buys the amount of money that will be generated by this fight surpasses anything that either has seen so far. Mayweather still has issues with creditors, IRS, etc.

This fight will happen in 2010.

[swerb]

Fight not made, but the line is ...

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

The fight hasn’t been made yet, and may not ever happen. But this city’s casinos are already taking bets on who will win if the Philippines’ Manny Pacquiao and American Floyd Mayweather Jr. ever get into the ring.

Pacquiao, coming off his dominating win over Miguel Cotto, opened as an 8-5 favorite at sports books operated by Station Casinos, and it didn’t take long for bettors to take a side. Several $20,000 bets were put down on Mayweather, forcing the line down to 7-5 in the early going, said Art Manteris, the casino operator’s vice president of sports book operations.

“It’s been pretty decisive in the early going,” Manteris said. “I think I made the line a little too high but that’s the nature of the business.”

Manteris said he made Pacquiao the favorite based largely on the public perception of his big win over Cotto. Most of the early bets, he said, came from professional handicappers, who thought the line was too high.

Floyd begins his excuse making and posturing ....

Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum said he was ready to begin negotiations with Mayweather’s promoter on a fight, while Mayweather issued a statement Monday saying he wanted to hear from Pacquiao himself that he really wants the fight.

“Tell Manny Pacquiao to be his own man and stop letting everyone, including his loudmouth trainer, talk for him,” Mayweather said. “I am my own boss, speak for myself and tell it like it is. If Manny Pacquiao wants to fight me, all he has to do is step up to the plate and say it himself.”

Pacquiao told The Associated Press last month he didn’t think Mayweather wanted to fight him, and criticized the undefeated fighter for fighting too defensively and not trying to entertain fans.

His trainer, Freddie Roach, said after the Cotto fight that Pacquiao would be more than happy to fight Mayweather, but that Mayweather wasn’t going to dictate the terms of the fight. Talks will likely be difficult, especially when it comes to what percentage of the revenues each fighter would receive.

The fight, though, has the possibility of becoming the richest ever and many in boxing assume that there is far too much money to be made for the fight not to happen.

“I think that’s the fight the world wants to see,” Roach said. “But if Floyd wants a 65-35 split (of the purse) he’s not going to get it.”

[Guest]

Wanting a 65/35 split = not wanting the fight.
If this fight doesn't happen then I will be with Swerb and start calling Mayweather a little bitch.
This fight has to happen. The 2 best guys at the top of their games. This fight can do wonders for the sport as well as their bank accounts.

[swerb]

Floyd's always been able to talk and spin his way out of fights, always saying "boxing is a business" ... and being able to hide behind that to avoid fighting guys he feels could hurt him.

He's run into a problem. Pacquiao has backed him into a corner with performances so impressive, fight fans are DEMANDING this fight.

Also, Bob Arum is one of the smartest men in all of sports. He will not let Floyd win the PR battle. He will not allow Floyd to make it look like its Top Rank's fault the fight isn't going down. Floyd predictably already went down that path with his "I want to hear it from Manny not his loudmouth promoter" comments. Once Manny comes out and tells Floyd he wants to fight him, he will move on to a money excuse, and say he'll just wait for the winner of Mosley/Berto instead of dealing with Top Rank. Top Rank will prolly then come out publicly and propose 45/45 with the other 10% to the winner. At that point, Floyd will even start to lose the people that have supported him over the years.

Floyd's as dumb as a box of rocks, but even he has to see that there's no way for him to wriggle out of this. And that his legacy will be destroyed if he doesn't take the fight. And that he's gonna make 35 mill. That's why this fight ends up going down.

Because it's finally being forced on Floyd. That's the only reason.

To see Floyd Mayweather's face bleeding ... for the first time in his career. May not be a sweeter sight in all of sports if Manny can make it happen.

[Guest]

Floyd wins.
Swerb crying and admitting he's the king, that's what it's all about for me.
Let's go Money, make it happen you little bitch.

[swerb]

Floyd wins.
Swerb crying and admitting he's the king, that's what it's all about for me.
Let's go Money, make it happen you little bitch.

I don't doubt it cuz. Picking against Pacquiao and being wrong four times in a row would be crushing to you.

Floyd beats Manny, he'll have my respect. I'll still hate him, but I'll at least respect him.

[Guest]

I wouldn't even care who wins, I just know this needs to go down.
It's the only fight to be made and could do wonders for boxing in general.
May of 2010.
If it isn't signed by the end of the year, it might not happen.

[swerb]

I wouldn't even care who wins, I just know this needs to go down.
It's the only fight to be made and could do wonders for boxing in general.
May of 2010.
If it isn't signed by the end of the year, it might not happen.

Talking about Yankee Stadium or the new Cowboys Stadium as possibilities. Both venues have already contacted Top Rank about doing it.

Manny Pacquiao has a chance to make boxing mainstream again in America. Like it was when Ali and Frazier and Foreman were at the top of the heap. When Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, and Duran were all fighting one another. Like it was when Tyson was on top. People talking about fights in barber shops, on sports talk radio ... forums like this one getting lots of traffic. Nothing would make me happier. I love this sport so much, and it frustrates me that more people can't see the beauty in it.

What would really help, in concert with a Manny win over Floyd with about 2.5mm PPV buys ... would be Haye beating one of the Klitschko's, and some of these young American heavyweights starting to emerge. People are drawn to the heavyweights.

The fact Manny has a chance to carry the sport back to prominence on his back, with absolutley no heavweight division to speak of ... speaks to Manny's star power.

[Guest]

Holy shit. We agree.
Andre Ward winning the Super Six would be pretty solid also.

[swerb]

Holy shit. We agree.
Andre Ward winning the Super Six would be pretty solid also.

American boxing needs Andre Ward. Badly right now.

DeLeHoya retired, Mayweather unlikable. Pavlik down in the dumps. Dirrell and Taylor already with Super Six losses. Arreola exposed. Dawson bores the living shit out of people. Hopkins and RJJ are circling the drain.

American boxing is hurting. Ward is one of it's best hopes. Your other guy Danny Jacobs too. I'd be pulling for both big time even if they weren't Pound4Pound guys.

[British_Pharaoh]

Biggest fight ever???

nah

biggest anticlimax


ya

[swerb]

Floyd being Floyd:

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1324/mayweat ... _to_fight/

Most insecure great fighter maybe ever.

[dmiles]

What I don't get....Is your legacy more important, than $$$ you'd make from the fight? Sure you have people to payout, taxes, fees, etc. but think of what you pocket here. Plus if it's a great fight you could have a trilogy.

Man I want to see this happen. My sons don't even seem to want to watch boxing. Hey I watch UFC too, but I just don't think the excitement is the same as it was for a big prize fight back in the day. I actually like that in boxing we know more about the financials, as opposed to Dana keeping that stuff under lock and key.

[stonepm]

Floyd being Floyd:

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1324/mayweat ... _to_fight/

Most insecure great fighter maybe ever.

What's he gonna do when Manny comes out and says it? I know it's not Manny's style but I think I would go to Mayweather's house, with camera crews, and tell him face to face. Make him answer right then and there. Don't give hima chance to come up with some other excuse. I know it can't happen that way but still... CUz you know Floyd is gonna say something like you waited too long, I'm going to prom with somebody else.

[swerb]

Floyd being Floyd:

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1324/mayweat ... _to_fight/

Most insecure great fighter maybe ever.

What's he gonna do when Manny comes out and says it? I know it's not Manny's style but I think I would go to Mayweather's house, with camera crews, and tell him face to face. Make him answer right then and there. Don't give hima chance to come up with some other excuse. I know it can't happen that way but still... CUz you know Floyd is gonna say something like you waited too long, I'm going to prom with somebody else.

Then he'll throw out his stats on his PPV #'s, how he deserves 60% based on that, and make something up about Arum. And he'll say he's gonna wait for the winner of Mosley/Berto.

[pup]

Even if it happens, fighting will never be large in this country again, unless they get their heads out of their asses in general.

Fewer weight classes.
1 Champion per weight class.
Legit fights on free TV.
Fighters not bouncing around weight classes to gain the ever poopular most titles ever contest.
Smaller rings.
Heavyweights that matter.

There are 2 possible outcomes of this greatest fight ever. Floyd runs and defends leading to a boring 12 round 116-112, 112-116, 114-114 draw.
Floyd gets knocked the F out in three rounds and people bitch about paying $70 bucks for three rounds.

[stonepm]

Floyd being Floyd:

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1324/mayweat ... _to_fight/

Most insecure great fighter maybe ever.

What's he gonna do when Manny comes out and says it? I know it's not Manny's style but I think I would go to Mayweather's house, with camera crews, and tell him face to face. Make him answer right then and there. Don't give hima chance to come up with some other excuse. I know it can't happen that way but still... CUz you know Floyd is gonna say something like you waited too long, I'm going to prom with somebody else.

Then he'll throw out his stats on his PPV #'s, how he deserves 60% based on that, and make something up about Arum. And he'll say he's gonna wait for the winner of Mosley/Berto.

Personally, If I was MAnny's crew, I would go balls out for this one. I would tell Floyd, 50-50 straight up, you beat me 60-40(unanimous only, split decision= 55-45), you knock me out 90-10. With a guanteed rematch no matter who wins with the same provisions, except this time in Manny's favor as well. I would be that confident in myself, as he should be. 10% of this one would probably still be one of MP's bigger paydays.

He would have no way to wriggle out of that deal. But that's probably why I'm not a promoter.

[swerb]

Even if it happens, fighting will never be large in this country again, unless they get their heads out of their asses in general.

Fewer weight classes.
1 Champion per weight class.
Legit fights on free TV.
Fighters not bouncing around weight classes to gain the ever poopular most titles ever contest.
Smaller rings.
Heavyweights that matter.

There are 2 possible outcomes of this greatest fight ever. Floyd runs and defends leading to a boring 12 round 116-112, 112-116, 114-114 draw.
Floyd gets knocked the F out in three rounds and people bitch about paying $70 bucks for three rounds.

First off, no one is going to knock Floyd out in three rounds. And if it happened, believe me when I tell you that few people would complain about not getting their money's worth.

I think you make some good points, some I disagree with.

Clearly, the whole alphabet soup sanctioning body situation is a mess. The Ring Mag champs and belts have helped with that. I just don't think many fans anymore care (or know) who the WBA, WBC champs are. In some cases, it does help fighters that deserve mandatories get mandatories. In more cases though, it results in stiffs like John Ruiz getting title fights.

The heavyweight situation is a mess. I attribute it mostly to big athletic American kids gravitating towards basketball and football, even MMA now. Seeing the way Muhammad Ali, Frazier, and Holyfield talk ... it ain't exactly encouraging parents to have their kids learn the sport either. Boxing used to be sexy and mainstream. Not so much anymore. Though Pac Man is helping that.

Smaller rings, I don't necessarily think that will help anything. Lead to more rope a dope, which is boring. Fans want to see guys fighting in the middle of the ring.

And I think the weight classes are about right. I would combine a couple of the lower weight classes together. I may move 190 up to 200. I think you definitely need 130, 135, 140, 147, 154, 160, 168, and 175 all to remain as is.

[Guest]

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

[noles1]

I should have clarified my position on Pretty Boys competition better.

Floyd has always fought or had fights on his terms. He has always faced competition under ideal circumstances, nearly all those that were mentioned. Corrales may have been the one where he went outside his box and had to fight. Other than that, I don't buy who Floyd has fought.

I honestly believe that he and Oscar had a gentlemens agreement. Oscar quit on that fight and then Freddie saw thru it and quit on him. Manny did what Floyd should have done to Hatton. Judah is a joke to me. Cat doesn't last Round 3 with Manny. Floyd ducked Cotto and Margarito. Will always believe that. To even tout Gatti as a marquee win post-Ward trilogy is a waste of time. That guy was absolutely punch drunk and just cashed in. Im glad Manny wasn't fighting Gatti, he may have killed him in the ring.

All this said... I think Floyd has a place in history because of his talent level. However, unless he fights Manny and really makes an imprint in my eyes, he will always go down as a wasted talent in terms of what he could have meant to boxing. That is just the thing though... Floyd doesn't care because all he has ever cared about is beating women, making paper and reaking havoc on society.

[jfiling]

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=AhT07i5t5lDBy6Y_3nFSd3idCIh4?slug=ap-pacquiao-mayweather&prov=ap&type=lgns

Interesting article, and what caught my eye was the state income tax problem. Fighting in Yankee Stadium would mean the fighters would get a big haircut by New York, while fighting in Cowboys Stadium would mean no hair cut.

[peeker643]

From Simmons and his latest Mailbag:

Q: If the boxing higher-ups had any sense whatsoever they would give us Pacman/Mayweather in six months. I would stop everything to have a fight night party for this event. I have not paid for a boxing event since Holyfield/Lewis in 1999 but I would spend at least $300-$500 to see this. What is the holdup?
-- Seth Johnson, Middletown, N.Y.



SG: It's going to be disappointing. Just warning you now. Mayweather could never trade punches in a million years with Pacquiao. He will be on his bicycle for 12 rounds. There is no way that, at this point in his life, Floyd Mayweather Jr. wants any part of Pacquiao, a concrete-headed, indefatigable freak of nature who can finish with either hand from every angle. If Floyd gets in the ring, he'll end up doing more laps than Steve Prefontaine did for the University of Oregon. Just keep your guard up when you're spending that $64.95.

(Important note: Will I be spending that money? Of course! Happily! I made the decision during Pacman's glorious evisceration of Miguel Cotto that Pacman had finally reached exalted, "I Don't Care Who You Are Fighting, I Am Watching It Live & That's That" status, which puts him in the following company: Ali, Leonard, Tyson. My own personal Mount Rushmore. Manny hit Tiger/Federer status about a year ago and nobody cared. That's why he needs the Floyd fight so badly. We've seen dominant pound-for-pound guys these past two decades, but nobody with finishing power anything like what Pacman has. He's like a coked-up Aaron Pryor, only without the coke. Insane. If he's fighting, I am watching.)

[Guest]

Interesting stuff here:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23790

[skatingtripods]

I just got a chance to watch this fight the other night after it had been sitting in my DVR for a while. I just waited a week and let HBO show it to me for free.

Pacquiao is so damn fast, it blew my mind. Every time he got hit, he came back with a couple lightning punches that more than negated Cotto's shot. Agree with Rich and the HBO Broadcast Teams' sentiments that the fight should have been stopped. Cotto wasn't doing any damage and he looked like hell.

While UFC and MMA continue to take precedence in this country, the problem is exacerbated by the exact dilemma brought up by the comments in the Hopkins prediction that Scott linked. They need to secure these marquee fights and pressure the combatants in to taking them. The heavyweight division has been an embarrassment for a while, and while I love watching the little guys hammer on each other, for some reason the welter, feather, and middle classes don't have the same mass appeal.

I, for one, hate MMA. It's not that I don't respect it, it's that I just can't watch them mount each other on the ground for 2/3 of the round. It bores me. It's the same reason I don't watch many heavyweight bouts.

But guys like Pacquiao, Marquez, Cotto, Clottey, Judah, and the others interest me greatly. They really need to secure these big bouts.

[noles1]

Interesting stuff here:

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23790

Geez, Hopkins isn't coming from much of a bias... I don't even understand his point. He talks about Arum not wanting to do it and then he says after Mosley-Mayweather THEN the fight could get done... which is it Bernard???

It will be a tremendous disappointment if both sides cannot get a deal done and BOTH sides would be to blame.

[swerb]

Almost finalized, and sooner than we expected. Looking like March 13.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=k ... &type=lgns

[Guest]

Gotta love Mayweather agreeing first.
Everyone thought that would be the biggest roadblock.
He never fights anyone.
Bitch.

[swerb]

Gotta love Mayweather agreeing first.
Everyone thought that would be the biggest roadblock.
He never fights anyone.
Bitch.

Like I said in the title of this thread, 30 seconds after Pac Man's complete and total destruction of Cotto.

"Mayweather - Finally a fight he can't dodge."

We all know he doesn't want to take this fight. The overwhelming amount of money and what it would do to his legacy and public perception are forcing him to take it.

Thank you Manny Pacquiao for finally forcing this cherry picker into the ring with someone that can actually punch.

My kingdom to see Mayweather on his back with a ref standing over him counting.

[Guest]

Sounds like a $50 wager to me.
$100 if either guy gets ko'ed?

[swerb]

Sounds like a $50 wager to me.
$100 if either guy gets ko'ed?

You wanna keep lining my pockets on these fights cuz, who am I to argue?

It's a bet.

[Guest]

You won 1 fight. Or was it 10 like you probably think?
We'll be even after Floyd wins and then i'll be up when Rampage doesn't fight Rashad by June.
I doubt the Williams Pavlik fight ever goes down so you'll save $50 there.

[Bayou Tribe]

Looks like Vegas, Texas Stadium, or the Superdome.

Any guesses on which venue I'm pulling for?

[Guest]

This isn't as close as people think.
Too much BS going around right now, it would be a pretty quick turnaround for Manny as well.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23873

[swerb]

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

Bout taking shape. Looking like March 13 ...

[Guest]

Freddie Roach has said that Manny wants 60/40
I highly doubt Floyd agrees to that.
50/50 and let's get this bitch signed.

[Guest]

Too good to be true?

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=22324&more=1

[noles1]

Nitpicking and ridiculous if Mayweather's camp breaks this up for not just setting their own testing procedure.

While the Manny position is somewhat strange the Mayweather camp and their strigent demand on the USADA is extreme. Find some common ground.

This reaks of either some silly mind games or just stupidityon these camps parts. Better yet, continued promotion of the fight...

If this ruins the fight, boxing will be down for a lot of people. Why jeopardize the well-being and growth potential of the sport?

[swerb]

Mind games by Floyd. Regardless of what happens, PED's will be a topic heading into this fight. Mission accomplished. Floyd's people are thug assholes, but they aren't stupid. Their demands are ridiculous. Team Mayweather initentionally didn't bring them up until this point and knew exactly what Team Pac Man's response would be. Arum's smart, he's already started verbally combatting what they're trying to do.

[Guest]

More bullshit from boxing, nothing amazes me anymore.
Too much dough to be made for this not to go down.

[justmebd]

Mayweather found a way to dodge the fight. What a freakin' coward he is.

Arum is now saying the fight may happen next fall but that Spring is out. Whatever. Mayweather is the current reason people are turning more and more to MMA.

[swerb]

Arum moving on to other foes for March 13. Malignaggi?

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns