Projecting Orokpo to 3 - 4 OLB

[jb]

Let me start by saying I love this kid's game. So fast, such a big play maker. He may be another Simeon Rice-type.

But I see nothing in how he's used or plays to indicate he can evolve to a 3 - 4 OLB and play the run. That said, he moves up with my trio of fourseome of Rey - Mays - Curry and Oroikpo as "sure, get me anyone of those".

But only take Orokpo if you want to go 4 - 3 .

I'd be intrigued by he and Wimbley in a Tampa 2 4 - 3 arrangement if I had more faith in Wimbly. Or what you do is sign a vet 4 - 3 LDE or two who is a little more run-stout and you rotate Orokpo and Wimbley at RDE to keep the fresh, and play them both at DE on passing downs.

I'd take the kid. He can play. But messing with him and projecting him to play stand up most snaps? Why?

[Crash Davis]

Let me start by saying I love this kid's game. So fast, such a big play maker. He may be another Simeon Rice-type.

But I see nothing in how he's used or plays to indicate he can evolve to a 3 - 4 OLB and play the run. That said, he moves up with my trio of fourseome of Rey - Mays - Curry and Oroikpo as "sure, get me anyone of those".

But only take Orokpo if you want to go 4 - 3 .

I'd be intrigued by he and Wimbley in a Tampa 2 4 - 3 arrangement if I had more faith in Wimbly. Or what you do is sign a vet 4 - 3 LDE or two who is a little more run-stout and you rotate Orokpo and Wimbley at RDE to keep the fresh, and play them both at DE on passing downs.

I'd take the kid. He can play. But messing with him and projecting him to play stand up most snaps? Why?

I concur JB, this kid looked awesome. Only downside is that from what I have read Mangini looks like he has a plan to stick to the 3-4.

[pup]

Call me crazy, but I only remember this guy making one play last night (and that is the only time I have really watched him, so maybe I am swinging and missing), and that was going heads up with 2 of the worst offensive tackles in BCS game history.

No thanks on the Orokpo.

[Ziner]

I thought he had a pretty damn good game and made Alex Boone pretty pedestrian. Then again Boone may just be pedestrian. I am not sure how much I trust taking another high pick to project him to a OLB in the 3-4... that said if he becomes James Harrison that would be fine... if he is Gholston, that isnt cool.

[peeker643]

Call me crazy, but I only remember this guy making one play last night (and that is the only time I have really watched him, so maybe I am swinging and missing), and that was going heads up with 2 of the worst offensive tackles in BCS game history.

No thanks on the Orokpo.

No thanks on a guy you don't know what to do with. At #5 it should be obvious where the guy you draft is going to wreak havoc and that he actually will. I don't want any part of hybrid/tweener/project types. Not right now when you don't have to with clear needs everywhere.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

I'd take the kid. He can play. But messing with him and projecting him to play stand up most snaps? Why?

That's why.

[Crash Davis]

I thought he had a pretty damn good game and made Alex Boone pretty pedestrian. Then again Boone may just be pedestrian. I am not sure how much I trust taking another high pick to project him to a OLB in the 3-4... that said if he becomes James Harrison that would be fine... if he is Gholston, that isnt cool.

Alex Boone is actually rated to be a decent LT prospect in a tackle loaded draft and Orokpo got the best of him. That being said I don't want any more 3-4 projects at OLB

[pod2dawg]

I agree..mostly...Orakpo has moved ahead of Mabin & Brown on my official DE Draft Board. Taking him at 5 and putting him OLB in the 3- 4 would be a set-up for disaster (see V. Ghoulston , NYJ..that watched most of this year). Switch to a 4-3..please, then Wimbley & he would be dynamite. Or as you suggest get a FA DE. Our present 3-4 sucks so? This is the year of "CHANGE" right?

My " MY GOD PLEASE ...PLEASE...ONE TIME..ONE TIME.." picks:

1. Aaron Curry *****************************************************
2. Rey Rey ***********************************************
3. Orakpo ****************************************

We insist on staying with the failed experiment 3-4 You better have landed Curry because there aren't any realistically attainable OLB in FA. I don't see any shot at Bart Scott or T. Suggs. So The best "available help at LB is in the middle:

1. Channing Crowder (fins)
2. C. Dansby (cards)
3. J. Vilma (aints)

[swerb]

If you stay at #5, I think it's as simple as saying ...

4-3, consider him
3-4, no way

[Mr. X]

I'd take him in a heartbeat if we plan on switching to a 4-3. He was held multiple times and no QBs in the NFL are as elusive as Pryor. He would be a monster coming off the edge in a 4-3. If we stay with the 3-4, I wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole.

[Crash Davis]

I agree..mostly...Orakpo has moved ahead of Mabin & Brown on my official DE Draft Board. Taking him at 5 and putting him OLB in the 3- 4 would be a set-up for disaster (see V. Ghoulston , NYJ..that watched most of this year). Switch to a 4-3..please, then Wimbley & he would be dynamite. Or as you suggest get a FA DE. Our present 3-4 sucks so? This is the year of "CHANGE" right?

My " MY GOD PLEASE ...PLEASE...ONE TIME..ONE TIME.." picks:

1. Aaron Curry *****************************************************
2. Rey Rey ***********************************************
3. Orakpo ****************************************

We insist on staying with the failed experiment 3-4 You better have landed Curry because there aren't any realistically attainable OLB in FA. I don't see any shot at Bart Scott or T. Suggs. So The best "available help at LB is in the middle:

1. Channing Crowder (fins)
2. C. Dansby (cards)
3. J. Vilma (aints)

I would love to go back to the 4-3 as I think we have the personnel for the most part to run it especially on the D-line. I don't think it will happen though. Maybe depends on who Mangini hires for d-cord.

[HoodooMan]

But messing with him and projecting him to play stand up most snaps? Why?

Because that's what 3-4 teams do?

[FUDU]

Call me crazy, but I only remember this guy making one play last night (and that is the only time I have really watched him, so maybe I am swinging and missing), and that was going heads up with 2 of the worst offensive tackles in BCS game history.

No thanks on the Orokpo.

I agree, he and Boone negated each other completely, neither won the battle outside of a play here or there.

It was talked about by Paul Keels on the radio in the 4the quarter and on ESPN as well.

I'm not saying Orokpo isn't good, I'm simply saying nobody could have watched the 2009 Fiesta Bowl and used that as evidence he is a top 5 pick or that he is anything better than what he showed during the college regular season.

[FUDU]

Alex Boone is actually rated to be a decent LT prospect in a tackle loaded draft and Orokpo got the best of him. That being said I don't want any more 3-4 projects at OLB

Name the plays in which he got the "best" of Alex Boone?

Note a bit of sarcasm in the sense that the "best" of Alex Boone was used up in 2006, but still he didn't do much to Boone all night, even the lesser Alex Boone.

[pup]

With sugar on top, please stop saying Alex Boone is decent.

He is garbage. Has been for the last couple of seasons. Imbodies all that is wrong with tOSU at the moment.

[pod2dawg]

I would love to go back to the 4-3 as I think we have the personnel for the most part to run it especially on the D-line. I don't think it will happen though. Maybe depends on who Mangini hires for d-cord.

OK, for an exercise in futility type thing, assume all things "Brown" :

1. We hire an(other) idiot that stays with the 3-4.
2. Curry goes #4.
3. No decent FA help at OLB.

Who do we take at #5?
1. Rey
2. Crabtree
3. Jenkins
4. Orapko, Brown, Maybin

Kobiashimaroo?

[FUDU]

With sugar on top, please stop saying Alex Boone is decent.

He is garbage. Has been for the last couple of seasons. Imbodies all that is wrong with tOSU at the moment.

No argument there, so if Orokpo didn't abuse the non decent Boone than who is that saying something about, at least for that one game?

[Ziner]

With sugar on top, please stop saying Alex Boone is decent.

He is garbage. Has been for the last couple of seasons. Imbodies all that is wrong with tOSU at the moment.

Agreed x100

[Ziner]

Who do we take at #5?
1. Rey
2. Crabtree
3. Orapko, Brown, Maybin

Kobiashimaroo?

I fixed that for you

Jenkins is not and should not be an option. Can we please agree not to discuss Malcolm Jenkins with the 5th pick. He is not worthy nor skilled enough to be drafted that high

[jb]

If you stay at #5, I think it's as simple as saying ...

4-3, consider him
3-4, no way

Thanks Swerb. That's the cliff notes on what I was trying to say.

BTW - Nice update on your fav playa.

Concur. I hope he stays in school. I'll watch every longhorn game.

[jb]

But messing with him and projecting him to play stand up most snaps? Why?

Because that's what 3-4 teams do?

Yes, with guys who project. I look at him and see little stand up ability in playing the run.

Kid is a born pass rusher though.

[jb]

Who do we take at #5?
1. Rey
2. Orapko,

I fixed that for you

Jenkins is not and should not be an option. Can we please agree not to discuss Malcolm Jenkins with the 5th pick. He is not worthy nor skilled enough to be drafted that high

There, I fixed the fix.

No WR at # 5.

No possible way.

[Ziner]

Who do we take at #5?
1. Rey
2. Orapko,

I fixed that for you

Jenkins is not and should not be an option. Can we please agree not to discuss Malcolm Jenkins with the 5th pick. He is not worthy nor skilled enough to be drafted that high

There, I fixed the fix.

No WR at # 5.

No possible way.

Even if BE is shipped out of town?

[onlyindreams]

Who do we take at #5?
1. Rey
2. Crabtree
3. Orapko, Brown, Maybin

Kobiashimaroo?

I fixed that for you

Jenkins is not and should not be an option. Can we please agree not to discuss Malcolm Jenkins with the 5th pick. He is not worthy nor skilled enough to be drafted that high

He is definitely worthy if you need a CB, which we really don't in comparison to our other needs.

I thought Orakpo looked like an excellent pass rusher but pretty weak against the run. I probably wouldn't take him at #5. I think Curry is the guy and if he's gone before #5 I have no idea.

[HoodooMan]

Yes, with guys who project. I look at him and see little stand up ability in playing the run.

Kid is a born pass rusher though.

You remember watching much of Terrell Suggs at ASU?

And Orakpo's all over Suggs in terms of measurables.

I think it's possible that Everette Brown would have a more natural transition, but you really never know. (One of the reasons it's nice to wait until at least the 2nd round if you can--but my god do we desperately need a pass rush)

[Crash Davis]

With sugar on top, please stop saying Alex Boone is decent.

He is garbage. Has been for the last couple of seasons. Imbodies all that is wrong with tOSU at the moment.

He's rated by most draft sites as the 4th or 5th rated tackle and projected to go in round 3. I wouldn't draft him but he is ranked high for some reason.

[Ziner]

With sugar on top, please stop saying Alex Boone is decent.

He is garbage. Has been for the last couple of seasons. Imbodies all that is wrong with tOSU at the moment.

He's rated by most draft sites as the 4th or 5th rated tackle and projected to go in round 3. I wouldn't draft him but he is ranked high for some reason.

because he is being rated by draftniks (probably from the begining of the year) and not from NFL pro scouts.... like all of us obviously are, duh

[Crash Davis]

With sugar on top, please stop saying Alex Boone is decent.

He is garbage. Has been for the last couple of seasons. Imbodies all that is wrong with tOSU at the moment.

No argument there, so if Orokpo didn't abuse the non decent Boone than who is that saying something about, at least for that one game?

Orokpo sucks against the run which happens to be Boone's strength. Boone doesn't have good footwork and his biggest weakness is pass protection especially against speed rushers which means if he makes an NFL roster it will be as a RT

[Crash Davis]

Who do we take at #5?
1. Rey
2. Crabtree
3. Orapko, Brown, Maybin

Kobiashimaroo?

I fixed that for you

Jenkins is not and should not be an option. Can we please agree not to discuss Malcolm Jenkins with the 5th pick. He is not worthy nor skilled enough to be drafted that high

Any list that doesn't have Curry in the top 3 is not a list that I would consider.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

Who do we take at #5?
1. Rey
2. Crabtree
3. Orapko, Brown, Maybin

Kobiashimaroo?

I fixed that for you

Jenkins is not and should not be an option. Can we please agree not to discuss Malcolm Jenkins with the 5th pick. He is not worthy nor skilled enough to be drafted that high

Any list that doesn't have Curry in the top 3 is not a list that I would consider.

The precursor to the initial list had Curry going #4.

[SoulDawg74]

Call me crazy, but I only remember this guy making one play last night (and that is the only time I have really watched him, so maybe I am swinging and missing), and that was going heads up with 2 of the worst offensive tackles in BCS game history.

No thanks on the Orokpo.

SD:

OOOOOOPs there it is .

All muscle with no football killer instinct ,the Texas version of Courtney Brown

[FUDU]

With sugar on top, please stop saying Alex Boone is decent.

He is garbage. Has been for the last couple of seasons. Imbodies all that is wrong with tOSU at the moment.

No argument there, so if Orokpo didn't abuse the non decent Boone than who is that saying something about, at least for that one game?

Orokpo sucks against the run which happens to be Boone's strength. Boone doesn't have good footwork and his biggest weakness is pass protection especially against speed rushers which means if he makes an NFL roster it will be as a RT

So then how do people get all excited after watching last night's game (probably the first and only time for most to have seen the kid) and come up with all this stuff, in case you don't remember OSU ran the shit out of the ball last night? So the kid looked good for 25 plays and looked bad for 39?

I don't care what we do in regards to that kid but last night's game is one that should not be used to judge Orokpo.

[SoulDawg74]

But messing with him and projecting him to play stand up most snaps? Why?

Because that's what 3-4 teams do?

Yes, with guys who project. I look at him and see little stand up ability in playing the run.

Kid is a born pass rusher though.

SD:

The kid sucks shit thru a straw with all them muscles , he had one sack , and no garcon than wasn't Toni Bosselli playing left tackle

[Crash Davis]

With sugar on top, please stop saying Alex Boone is decent.

He is garbage. Has been for the last couple of seasons. Imbodies all that is wrong with tOSU at the moment.

No argument there, so if Orokpo didn't abuse the non decent Boone than who is that saying something about, at least for that one game?

Orokpo sucks against the run which happens to be Boone's strength. Boone doesn't have good footwork and his biggest weakness is pass protection especially against speed rushers which means if he makes an NFL roster it will be as a RT

So then how do people get all excited after watching last night's game (probably the first and only time for most to have seen the kid) and come up with all this stuff, in case you don't remember OSU ran the shit out of the ball last night? So the kid looked good for 25 plays and looked bad for 39?

I don't care what we do in regards to that kid but last night's game is one that should not be used to judge Orokpo.

I agree and I think I said that in so many words. I do think he will be drafted high (probably not in the top 5) and a lot of teams already have a grade on him.

[pod2dawg]

..thanks for the fix Zines...& JB.

So then we all agree Rey Rey will be stuffing the run next year for us.

[Yinzer Hater]

I would love to go back to the 4-3 as I think we have the personnel for the most part to run it especially on the D-line. I don't think it will happen though. Maybe depends on who Mangini hires for d-cord.

OK, for an exercise in futulity type thing, assume all things "Brown" :

1. We hire an(other) idiot that stays with the 3-4.
2. Curry goes #4.
3. No decent FA help at OLB.

Who do we take at #5?
1. Rey
2. Crabtree
3. Jenkins
4. Orapko, Brown, Maybin

Kobiashimaroo?

Either Rey or another LB if Curry falls but Seattle is known to covet him and then in the 2nd round hopefully one of Tyson Jackson DE, LSU, Gerald McCoy DT, Oklahoma (3-4 end) or Alex Mack (center and one of the best to come out in years) slides.

[jb]

..thanks for the fix Zines...& JB.

So then we all agree Rey Rey will be stuffing the run next year for us.

And freak dancing behind Sharon Reid?

[pod2dawg]

..thanks for the fix Zines...& JB.

So then we all agree Rey Rey will be stuffing the run next year for us.

And freak dancing behind Sharon Reid?

Priceless!!!

[Earle]

Call me crazy, but I only remember this guy making one play last night (and that is the only time I have really watched him, so maybe I am swinging and missing), and that was going heads up with 2 of the worst offensive tackles in BCS game history.

No thanks on the Orokpo.

you got that right, like i have told all my friends that our tackles are lacking in foot speed. either Boone had the game of his life or Orokpoo sucks more than Wimbly!

I would look at Lauranitis or Jenkins from Ohio State these 2 guys are Football Players and have a lot of heart for the game.

[Larvell Blanks]

I would look at Lauranitis or Jenkins from Ohio State these 2 guys are Football Players and have a lot of heart for the game.

with the 5th overall pick?!?

[Ziner]

I would look at Lauranitis or Jenkins from Ohio State these 2 guys are Football Players and have a lot of heart for the game.

Lets make a new rule for the 2009 draft. Anyone with a Ohio State avatar can not recommend an Ohio State player to be drafted.

I dont know why this happens every year, we aren't taking a Buckeye with the 5th pick. We probably wont take one with the 36th/37th pick either. Lets discuss players who have a shot of realistically getting drafted at 5. JL and Jenkins are not those two regardless of what your Ohio State mock draft says.

Just wait until one day when the Browns do take a Buckeye with their first pick or for that matter any pick... the state will burn and cars will be flipped like a National Championship

[pup]

Jenkins could surely be a top 5 pick.

Lil Animal is not a top 5 pick, but is worthy mentioning in any discussion for a team that is so lacking in Lbers, wherever they pick.

[jb]

I would look at Lauranitis or Jenkins from Ohio State these 2 guys are Football Players and have a lot of heart for the game.

Lets make a new rule for the 2009 draft. Anyone with a Ohio State avatar can not recommend an Ohio State player to be drafted.

I dont know why this happens every year, we aren't taking a Buckeye with the 5th pick. We probably wont take one with the 36th/37th pick either. Lets discuss players who have a shot of realistically getting drafted at 5. JL and Jenkins are not those two regardless of what your Ohio State mock draft says.

Just wait until one day when the Browns do take a Buckeye with their first pick or for that matter any pick... the state will burn and cars will be flipped like a National Championship

No way, Z.

Laurinitas is the master of the 5 yard down field get dragged for 3 more yards tackle. He's the ideal heir to Andra Davis.

The importance of Jenkins' 40 time in his spring workout can not be overstated.

[Ziner]

Jenkins could surely be a top 5 pick.

I dont see it, I really dont. First, there is debate about him being the best CB in this draft. Second, even if he were taken in the top 5 it certainly wouldnt be by us and if it would be I would jump off the 480 bridge. Third, Crabtree, Orokpo, Curry, and Maulauga better have gone in the top 4, in which case I would want Andre Smith. Honestly given the choice of Crabtree and Jenkins I take Crabtree. There hasnt been a corner drafted in the top 5 since Terrance Newman. I dont think this year will change that.

[e0y2e3]

I dig you guys on JL, I view him as a bigger faster version of DQ, a nice LB in the pros if you can put a thumper next to him.

That said, some peeps in this thread are doing everything in their power to ignore Might Rey's extreme inconsistency this year.

[SoulDawg74]

I would look at Lauranitis or Jenkins from Ohio State these 2 guys are Football Players and have a lot of heart for the game.

Lets make a new rule for the 2009 draft. Anyone with a Ohio State avatar can not recommend an Ohio State player to be drafted.

I dont know why this happens every year, we aren't taking a Buckeye with the 5th pick. We probably wont take one with the 36th/37th pick either. Lets discuss players who have a shot of realistically getting drafted at 5. JL and Jenkins are not those two regardless of what your Ohio State mock draft says.

Just wait until one day when the Browns do take a Buckeye with their first pick or for that matter any pick... the state will burn and cars will be flipped like a National Championship

No way, Z.

Laurinitas is the master of the 5 yard down field get dragged for 3 more yards tackle. He's the ideal heir to Andra Davis.

The importance of Jenkins' 40 time in his spring workout can not be overstated.

SD:

JB you know I'm on record as liking Ray ray , butt if Taylor Mays busts one of them sub forty times like Troy Pollyfucknut , at 6'3' and 235 lbs I'm on him like white on rice , and step over and on Jenkins and Ray both to grab him .


SoulDawg

[jb]

I would look at Lauranitis or Jenkins from Ohio State these 2 guys are Football Players and have a lot of heart for the game.

Lets make a new rule for the 2009 draft. Anyone with a Ohio State avatar can not recommend an Ohio State player to be drafted.

I dont know why this happens every year, we aren't taking a Buckeye with the 5th pick. We probably wont take one with the 36th/37th pick either. Lets discuss players who have a shot of realistically getting drafted at 5. JL and Jenkins are not those two regardless of what your Ohio State mock draft says.

Just wait until one day when the Browns do take a Buckeye with their first pick or for that matter any pick... the state will burn and cars will be flipped like a National Championship

No way, Z.

Laurinitas is the master of the 5 yard down field get dragged for 3 more yards tackle. He's the ideal heir to Andra Davis.

The importance of Jenkins' 40 time in his spring workout can not be overstated.

SD:

JB you know I'm on record as liking Ray ray , butt if Taylor Mays busts one of them sub forty times like Troy Pollyfucknut , at 6'3' and 235 lbs I'm on him like white on rice , and step over and on Jenkins and Ray both to grab him .


SoulDawg

Yeah, I'm cool with that, too.

Lee, you say something?

[Crash Davis]

I would look at Lauranitis or Jenkins from Ohio State these 2 guys are Football Players and have a lot of heart for the game.

Lets make a new rule for the 2009 draft. Anyone with a Ohio State avatar can not recommend an Ohio State player to be drafted.

I dont know why this happens every year, we aren't taking a Buckeye with the 5th pick. We probably wont take one with the 36th/37th pick either. Lets discuss players who have a shot of realistically getting drafted at 5. JL and Jenkins are not those two regardless of what your Ohio State mock draft says.

Just wait until one day when the Browns do take a Buckeye with their first pick or for that matter any pick... the state will burn and cars will be flipped like a National Championship

No way, Z.

Laurinitas is the master of the 5 yard down field get dragged for 3 more yards tackle. He's the ideal heir to Andra Davis.

The importance of Jenkins' 40 time in his spring workout can not be overstated.

SD:

JB you know I'm on record as liking Ray ray , butt if Taylor Mays busts one of them sub forty times like Troy Pollyfucknut , at 6'3' and 235 lbs I'm on him like white on rice , and step over and on Jenkins and Ray both to grab him .


SoulDawg

Interesting as I have been torn on Rey Rey and Curry but really have been thinking that Mays might be the best option. Supposedly he's the fastest safety at his size to come out since some guy named Ed Reed, don't know if anyone's heard of him or not but apparently he's some sort of interception machine/difference maker. Wouldn't mind if we take Mays and he turns out to be the next Ed Reed.

[pod2dawg]

Interesting as I have been torn on Rey Rey and Curry but really have been thinking that Mays might be the best option. Supposedly he's the fastest safety at his size to come out since some guy named Ed Reed, don't know if anyone's heard of him or not but apparently he's some sort of interception machine/difference maker. Wouldn't mind if we take Mays and he turns out to be the next Ed Reed.

Don't be torn, if Curry falls to us..please God..shower him with rose petals, frankincense, & myrrh.

Be torn (deeply) if Seattle picks him over Crabtree , then is it Rey or Taylor...? If Taylor can fly as advertised he may get the nod. "Luckily" for us we could use any 9 or 10 "D" guys on our hideous defense.

[pup]

Jenkins could surely be a top 5 pick.

I dont see it, I really dont. First, there is debate about him being the best CB in this draft. Second, even if he were taken in the top 5 it certainly wouldnt be by us and if it would be I would jump off the 480 bridge. Third, Crabtree, Orokpo, Curry, and Maulauga better have gone in the top 4, in which case I would want Andre Smith. Honestly given the choice of Crabtree and Jenkins I take Crabtree. There hasnt been a corner drafted in the top 5 since Terrance Newman. I dont think this year will change that.

If we take Crabtree in that scenerio, I am jumping off that same bridge.

If he runs a good enough 40 at the combine, he will go top 10. History of Buckeye corners, the fact that even Texas threw to his man twice out of 50 some attempts, great tackler.

He is not who I would take. But not because I don't think he is going to be great at the next level. Only because I think we have larger needs.

Any pick we make, if it is not a defensive player, I am bugging out and going home.

LB, CB, S. In that order.