Text Size

College Sports Arena

Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Talk Buckeye football and hoops, Viking hoops, as well as all other discussion on college sports in here.

Moderators: peeker643, swerb, danwismar, furls

Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby consigliere » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:27 am

Beanie looked like a beast the first half of the Fiesta Bowl. He has that power/speed combo you just gotta love....almost like Jamal Lewis when he came out of college.

But, as usual, the guy has a hard time staying on the field. I can't remember the last game the guy was in for a whole drive and didn't have to come out for a breather. Also, he gets knicked up rather easily.

So, did he help his stock tonight with his good showing when he was in there.....or did the national audience get to see the red flags with this guy and how he might be hard to keep healthy at the next level?

I know one thing, tonight solidified my belief that I want absolutely NO part of him with the #5 pick in the draft (if he comes out).
Indians Prospect Insider: http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/
Image
User avatar
consigliere
 
Posts: 10822
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:22 am
Location: Painesville Twp, OH
Favorite Player: Jeff Stevens
Least Favorite Player: Carl Willis

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby Ziner » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:30 am

He is not a top 15 pick. He makes AP's college career look healthy. Good back when healthy, but every year studs get drafted in the later rounds. This year alone you have Forte, Slaton, and Chris Johnson. Why waste a top 15 for an injury proned RB?
In the end, we're all "only for a limited time," you guys.
User avatar
Ziner
Tot-Lovin' Hippy
 
Posts: 7062
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:04 pm
Location: Boulder, Colorado
Favorite Player: Tater Tots
Least Favorite Player: Yam Fries

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:34 am

He is easily a top 15 pick based on talent (maybe a top 4-5 based on talent), but his health is a concern, especially for a guy his size now (a guy who will only get bigger in the pros). I hope his ass drops if it means the Browns have any outside shot at him later on in the draft (never happen though).
Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect.
"I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

2011 TCF Stratomatic Champ
User avatar
FUDU
 
Posts: 13356
Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:02 am
Favorite Player: Me
Least Favorite Player: You

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby buckeye319 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:38 am

I'm a huge Wells fan, been watching him play football since he was a kid. But, I can honestly say I wouldn't take him in the 1st round. He's a wonderful talent, but as you all have said, he simply can't stay on the field. It's just not worth taking a RB who is oft-injured that high. That being said, I doubt he'll be available past pick 15-20.
User avatar
buckeye319
 
Posts: 1121
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:26 am
Location: the Rockies
Favorite Player: LeBron James
Least Favorite Player: Stephen A. Smith

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby CP » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:41 am

Consigliere wrote:Beanie looked like a beast the first half of the Fiesta Bowl. He has that power/speed combo you just gotta love....almost like Jamal Lewis when he came out of college.

But, as usual, the guy has a hard time staying on the field. I can't remember the last game the guy was in for a whole drive and didn't have to come out for a breather. Also, he gets knicked up rather easily.

So, did he help his stock tonight with his good showing when he was in there.....or did the national audience get to see the red flags with this guy and how he might be hard to keep healthy at the next level?

I know one thing, tonight solidified my belief that I want absolutely NO part of him with the #5 pick in the draft (if he comes out).


Obviously my uniformed opinion, but I think he's going to end up a top 10 pick. NFL doctors will probably give him a clean bill of health (no knee injuries), he's got a lot of highlight reel material, and his measurables will make any NFL scout drool. I fully expect him to post a 40 time below where the national people think he will post one.
User avatar
CP
 
Posts: 1529
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:44 am
Location: Stow, Ohio
Favorite Player: Bernie Kosar
Least Favorite Player: Colt McCoy

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby T_N_T » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:47 am

Consigliere wrote:Beanie looked like a beast the first half of the Fiesta Bowl. He has that power/speed combo you just gotta love....almost like Jamal Lewis when he came out of college.

But, as usual, the guy has a hard time staying on the field. I can't remember the last game the guy was in for a whole drive and didn't have to come out for a breather. Also, he gets knicked up rather easily.

So, did he help his stock tonight with his good showing when he was in there.....or did the national audience get to see the red flags with this guy and how he might be hard to keep healthy at the next level?

I know one thing, tonight solidified my belief that I want absolutely NO part of him with the #5 pick in the draft (if he comes out).


IMHO, I think it was really weak of him not to come back in the game when his team needed him. I think it hurt his stock significantly.
User avatar
T_N_T
 
Posts: 1023
Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:32 pm
Location: Ocana,TN
Favorite Player: Asdrubal Cabrera
Least Favorite Player: Lebron James

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby Lubber » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:09 am

T_N_T wrote:
Consigliere wrote:Beanie looked like a beast the first half of the Fiesta Bowl. He has that power/speed combo you just gotta love....almost like Jamal Lewis when he came out of college.

But, as usual, the guy has a hard time staying on the field. I can't remember the last game the guy was in for a whole drive and didn't have to come out for a breather. Also, he gets knicked up rather easily.

So, did he help his stock tonight with his good showing when he was in there.....or did the national audience get to see the red flags with this guy and how he might be hard to keep healthy at the next level?

I know one thing, tonight solidified my belief that I want absolutely NO part of him with the #5 pick in the draft (if he comes out).


IMHO, I think it was really weak of him not to come back in the game when his team needed him. I think it hurt his stock significantly.


yeah, who cares about his health and the concussion he had. Just throw him back in there. At least now it appears as if he will be coming back for his senior year. Announcement to be made later today to make it official
User avatar
Lubber
 
Posts: 1347
Joined: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:42 am
Favorite Player: London Fletcher
Least Favorite Player: LeBron James

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby jb » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:15 am

Last night was the microcasm of Wells' career.

Unstoppable and then some BS minor injury sidelines him. It is never a season ender and usually something onw would think a RB could play through.

I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. He's unreliable and won't be there when you need him most. Plus, I've heard from far too many unconnected sources that football is simply a means to an end for him.

I'm not sure Wells' cost the Bucks the game last night. Marty the Sweater Vest did fine all by himself. But he sure didn't help.
jb
 
Posts: 17730
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:08 pm
Location: Defend Youngstown
Favorite Player: Daddy Rich / Carwa$h
Least Favorite Player: Hines Ward

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby jb » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:16 am

lubber wrote:
T_N_T wrote:
Consigliere wrote:Beanie looked like a beast the first half of the Fiesta Bowl. He has that power/speed combo you just gotta love....almost like Jamal Lewis when he came out of college.

But, as usual, the guy has a hard time staying on the field. I can't remember the last game the guy was in for a whole drive and didn't have to come out for a breather. Also, he gets knicked up rather easily.

So, did he help his stock tonight with his good showing when he was in there.....or did the national audience get to see the red flags with this guy and how he might be hard to keep healthy at the next level?

I know one thing, tonight solidified my belief that I want absolutely NO part of him with the #5 pick in the draft (if he comes out).


IMHO, I think it was really weak of him not to come back in the game when his team needed him. I think it hurt his stock significantly.


yeah, who cares about his health and the concussion he had. Just throw him back in there.


There's a dif between a pattern and a one time ocurrence. No one holds a one-time against anyone. Sam Huff once knocked JB out of a game with a concussion.
jb
 
Posts: 17730
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:08 pm
Location: Defend Youngstown
Favorite Player: Daddy Rich / Carwa$h
Least Favorite Player: Hines Ward

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:25 am

JB wrote:I'm not sure Wells' cost the Bucks the game last night. Marty the Sweater Vest did fine all by himself. But he sure didn't help.


What do you mean not sure, Wells by no means cost us the game by not playing. We scored 17 4Q points and IIRC 10 of them since he last saw the field. How many points did you think we would have scored if Beanie played all the way through? Where in those drives could he have impacted the team anymore than TP did (b/c TP truly took over most of those drives anyway)? Remember there is only one football on the field at all times. Would we have used more clock in taking the lead with Wells (leaving Texas less time), well maybe. But with the lack of success through the air we may have been more predictable to defend at the same time? That is some tough nitpicking there my friend.

Of course this is all hindsight but the chances the Buckeyes missed were way before Wells left the game with a head injury.
Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect.
"I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

2011 TCF Stratomatic Champ
User avatar
FUDU
 
Posts: 13356
Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:02 am
Favorite Player: Me
Least Favorite Player: You

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby consigliere » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:40 am

Good news if Wells comes back.

IMO, he needs to. I think a lot of people saw the red flags last night and while he will surely be a 1st rounder, I am not sure he is in the big money in the Top 10 anymore. He needs to come back and have a very good senior season and prove he can be a workhorse and stay on the field....and if he does, he may be the #1 pick in 2010.
Indians Prospect Insider: http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/
Image
User avatar
consigliere
 
Posts: 10822
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:22 am
Location: Painesville Twp, OH
Favorite Player: Jeff Stevens
Least Favorite Player: Carl Willis

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby CP » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:50 pm

Consigliere wrote:Good news if Wells comes back.

IMO, he needs to. I think a lot of people saw the red flags last night and while he will surely be a 1st rounder, I am not sure he is in the big money in the Top 10 anymore. He needs to come back and have a very good senior season and prove he can be a workhorse and stay on the field....and if he does, he may be the #1 pick in 2010.


Wells, though, is going to benefit from Adrian Peterson's first two years if he puts up the type of measurables that makes scouts drool. Peterson had some of the same issues and while Wells isn't as dominant, the NFL loves OSU talent.
User avatar
CP
 
Posts: 1529
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:44 am
Location: Stow, Ohio
Favorite Player: Bernie Kosar
Least Favorite Player: Colt McCoy

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby jb » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:40 pm

CP wrote:
Consigliere wrote:Good news if Wells comes back.

IMO, he needs to. I think a lot of people saw the red flags last night and while he will surely be a 1st rounder, I am not sure he is in the big money in the Top 10 anymore. He needs to come back and have a very good senior season and prove he can be a workhorse and stay on the field....and if he does, he may be the #1 pick in 2010.


Wells, though, is going to benefit from Adrian Peterson's first two years if he puts up the type of measurables that makes scouts drool. Peterson had some of the same issues and while Wells isn't as dominant, the NFL loves OSU talent.


CP - A Pete had torn knee ligaments and sperated shoulders.

Wells had a sprined lil piggy and was so badly concussed he was cheering actively last night.

Apples and oranges.
jb
 
Posts: 17730
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:08 pm
Location: Defend Youngstown
Favorite Player: Daddy Rich / Carwa$h
Least Favorite Player: Hines Ward

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby Squints » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:31 pm

IMHO he hurt his draft stock. I love Beanie, but why do visions of Lee Suggs keep popping into my head when he goes off the field? An effective back when healthy, but not healthy all that often. Please proove me wrong Beanie.
Squints
 
Posts: 649
Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:47 pm
Location: Fairview, PA
Favorite Player: Howard, Tim
Least Favorite Player: Howard, Desmond

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:35 pm

The guy ran for 1,100 yards in 9 games. People who pass on him will regret it just like AP. He played hurt all year. Some people don't know a great thing when they see it. Any of these people who think he is soft, go ask the the people he runs over and by if they think that.
"Our name is Legion, for we are many."
User avatar
Cerebral_DownTime
Go f#%k yourself
 
Posts: 14422
Joined: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:31 am
Location: Galloway Ohio
Favorite Player: Fenrir
Least Favorite Player: Walt Flannigan's dog

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby aoxo1 » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:32 am

Squints wrote:IMHO he hurt his draft stock. I love Beanie, but why do visions of Lee Suggs keep popping into my head when he goes off the field? An effective back when healthy, but not healthy all that often. Please proove me wrong Beanie.


Lee Suggs? Really? Newsflash: Suggs sucked when he was healthy. Two good games do not a good back make.

Anyways, isn't there probably going to be a rookie pay scale in the next CBA? Even if they don't get a new CBA in place, the guys will be locked into one team for longer IIRC (like 6 years to become a FA). Makes sense to me that anyone who would be a first round pick should come out this year, even if they could possibly move up 10 spots.
I know more about pizza than you. Much more in fact. - Cerebral_DownTime
User avatar
aoxo1
 
Posts: 2934
Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:23 pm
Favorite Player: Hover Jetski
Least Favorite Player: Eric Wright

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:39 am

Lee Suggs, that is a strange comparison?

Look Beanie missed what 3 games this season (1 of which may have been JT being extra cautious) but at the same time let's remember Beanie played every game last season at less than 100%.

He isn't notorious with conditioning but he doesn't duck on opportunities to play either.
Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect.
"I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

2011 TCF Stratomatic Champ
User avatar
FUDU
 
Posts: 13356
Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:02 am
Favorite Player: Me
Least Favorite Player: You

Re: Did Beanie help or hurt his draft stock?

Unread postby Squints » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:12 pm

FUDU wrote:Lee Suggs, that is a strange comparison?

Look Beanie missed what 3 games this season (1 of which may have been JT being extra cautious) but at the same time let's remember Beanie played every game last season at less than 100%.

He isn't notorious with conditioning but he doesn't duck on opportunities to play either.



I certainly think Beanie is much more talented than Suggs and I wasn't comparing their talent levels. To clearify, I believe his tendency for getting injured is similar to Suggs' career with the Browns. While Beanie is the greater talent, both did not realize their full potential (Heisman, "legacy"/ featured #1 back) at their respected levels due to injuries. That's all. Suggs was the first name that popped into my head because he had potential. If you all want, plug in the name of another RB that did not meet full expectations due to injuries and compare. But back to the thread topic, yes I belive he did hurt his stock, the concussion on the national stage reiterated his tendency to get injured, but I wish Beanie all the best and an injury-free career, if that's possible for an RB.
Squints
 
Posts: 649
Joined: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:47 pm
Location: Fairview, PA
Favorite Player: Howard, Tim
Least Favorite Player: Howard, Desmond


Return to College Sports Arena

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: furls and 2 guests

Who is online

In total there are 3 users online :: 1 registered, 0 hidden and 2 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 181 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:50 pm

Users browsing this forum: furls and 2 guests