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Unread postby Crash Davis » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:26 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...es/?eref=sircrc

Some Browns-related highlights:

3. Romeo Crennel, Cleveland -- League sources I talk to say it's 50-50 that Browns owner Randy Lerner blows up the whole thing and starts over in Cleveland with a new general manager and a new head coach. But those odds are on both Savage and Crennel to be fired together. When you ask around regarding just Crennel, it approaches a foregone conclusion that he's gone.

• Pink slip potential: 90 percent.


• Bill Cowher -- If, as expected, he chooses to peel off his TV persona and end his two-year hiatus from the sideline, the former Steelers coach will essentially have his pick of the openings. Cleveland would roll out the red carpet for him, and Detroit could be an intriguing possibility as well.


• Marty Schottenheimer -- The word is he badly wants back in, and his first choice is Cleveland, where his long head-coaching career began in 1984. He might be the Browns' fallback plan if there's no Cowher in their future.


• Kirk Ferentz -- Here's a scenario I'm hearing from a league source: If Browns general manager Phil Savage manages to keep his job, which is far from a certainty, he'll go hard after Ferentz as Crennel's replacement. After 10 years as Iowa's head coach, Ferentz might finally consider the time is right for a return to the NFL. The Hawkeyes rebounded this year to 8-4 and knocked off undefeated Penn State in November.
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:35 pm

Crash Davis wrote:• Bill Cowher -- If, as expected, he chooses to peel off his TV persona and end his two-year hiatus from the sideline, the former Steelers coach will essentially have his pick of the openings. Cleveland would roll out the red carpet for him, and Detroit could be an intriguing possibility as well.


• Marty Schottenheimer -- The word is he badly wants back in, and his first choice is Cleveland, where his long head-coaching career began in 1984. He might be the Browns' fallback plan if there's no Cowher in their future.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB3PKNqFeO0

Reunited and it would feel pretty damn good.

Billy you can be the head man, Marty the GM.

Thats the ultimate dream scenario.
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby Steve Buffum » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:44 pm

Crash Davis wrote:• Kirk Ferentz -- Here's a scenario I'm hearing from a league source: If Browns general manager Phil Savage manages to keep his job, which is far from a certainty, he'll go hard after Ferentz as Crennel's replacement. After 10 years as Iowa's head coach, Ferentz might finally consider the time is right for a return to the NFL. The Hawkeyes rebounded this year to 8-4 and knocked off undefeated Penn State in November.


Okay, this frightens me.
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby Toxicadam » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:47 pm

Let's just get Joe Tiller and go run and shoot, baby! WOOOO
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby Crash Davis » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:49 pm

Steve Buffum wrote:
Crash Davis wrote:• Kirk Ferentz -- Here's a scenario I'm hearing from a league source: If Browns general manager Phil Savage manages to keep his job, which is far from a certainty, he'll go hard after Ferentz as Crennel's replacement. After 10 years as Iowa's head coach, Ferentz might finally consider the time is right for a return to the NFL. The Hawkeyes rebounded this year to 8-4 and knocked off undefeated Penn State in November.


Okay, this frightens me.


We can go round and round on this and I am sure there are different opinions but this is precisely why Savage should go too. I don't think he is anything other than a glorified scout. He's NOT the person you want running the football side of things in an organization and you certainly don't want him picking the head coach.
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby Juannieboy » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:57 pm

Crash Davis wrote:
Steve Buffum wrote:
Crash Davis wrote:• Kirk Ferentz -- Here's a scenario I'm hearing from a league source: If Browns general manager Phil Savage manages to keep his job, which is far from a certainty, he'll go hard after Ferentz as Crennel's replacement. After 10 years as Iowa's head coach, Ferentz might finally consider the time is right for a return to the NFL. The Hawkeyes rebounded this year to 8-4 and knocked off undefeated Penn State in November.


Okay, this frightens me.


We can go round and round on this and I am sure there are different opinions but this is precisely why Savage should go too. I don't think he is anything other than a glorified scout. He's NOT the person you want running the football side of things in an organization and you certainly don't want him picking the head coach.


Concur completely. I believe Marty and Bill would be a great tandem to lead this team.
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:59 pm

Juannieboy wrote:
Crash Davis wrote:
Steve Buffum wrote:
Crash Davis wrote:• Kirk Ferentz -- Here's a scenario I'm hearing from a league source: If Browns general manager Phil Savage manages to keep his job, which is far from a certainty, he'll go hard after Ferentz as Crennel's replacement. After 10 years as Iowa's head coach, Ferentz might finally consider the time is right for a return to the NFL. The Hawkeyes rebounded this year to 8-4 and knocked off undefeated Penn State in November.


Okay, this frightens me.


We can go round and round on this and I am sure there are different opinions but this is precisely why Savage should go too. I don't think he is anything other than a glorified scout. He's NOT the person you want running the football side of things in an organization and you certainly don't want him picking the head coach.


Concur completely. I believe Marty and Bill would be a great tandem to lead this team.


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They were before. There you go Randy, see if Cowher could agree to working with his old boss again. Get to it.
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby hornet84 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:59 pm

Steve Buffum wrote:
Crash Davis wrote:• Kirk Ferentz -- Here's a scenario I'm hearing from a league source: If Browns general manager Phil Savage manages to keep his job, which is far from a certainty, he'll go hard after Ferentz as Crennel's replacement. After 10 years as Iowa's head coach, Ferentz might finally consider the time is right for a return to the NFL. The Hawkeyes rebounded this year to 8-4 and knocked off undefeated Penn State in November.


Okay, this frightens me.


I could see Phil trying to talk Pete Carroll into coming back to the NFL. Phil is infatuated with USC. I think he gets a tingle in his nether regions anytime he thinks about the Trojans
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby DrPoove » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:09 pm

Steve Buffum wrote:
Crash Davis wrote:• Kirk Ferentz -- Here's a scenario I'm hearing from a league source: If Browns general manager Phil Savage manages to keep his job, which is far from a certainty, he'll go hard after Ferentz as Crennel's replacement. After 10 years as Iowa's head coach, Ferentz might finally consider the time is right for a return to the NFL. The Hawkeyes rebounded this year to 8-4 and knocked off undefeated Penn State in November.


Okay, this frightens me.


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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby jb » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:13 pm

Steve Buffum wrote:
Crash Davis wrote:• Kirk Ferentz -- Here's a scenario I'm hearing from a league source: If Browns general manager Phil Savage manages to keep his job, which is far from a certainty, he'll go hard after Ferentz as Crennel's replacement. After 10 years as Iowa's head coach, Ferentz might finally consider the time is right for a return to the NFL. The Hawkeyes rebounded this year to 8-4 and knocked off undefeated Penn State in November.


Okay, this frightens me.


Actually, I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall at the post season meeting where Phil tries to throw RAC under the bus and makes the case for..... Kirk Ferenz. I'd love to see lerner's face and I also want to know who he brings with him into the meeting.

I can't see the scenario where Phil survives intact as HMFIC and gets to bringing "his" coach.
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby furls » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:31 pm

Ferentz can't win or develop talent in college, why promote him?
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Unread postby jfiling » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:16 pm

Karl Dorrell intrigues me. He might not fit in Cleveland, but he got a lot out of some mediocre UCLA teams when he coached there, plus he has NFL experience. He also showed a never-say-die attitude with the Bruins. He's going to be a coach somewhere in the NFL soon.
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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:29 pm

Steve Buffum wrote:Okay, this frightens me.

Frightened like an eight year old watching Poltergeist here.

(Marty wants back in? I could've sworn someone else heard him say he was done with football. Regardless, Marty as team president and Brian as head coach would not completely suck.)
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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:31 pm

JB wrote:Actually, I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall at the post season meeting where Phil tries to throw RAC under the bus and makes the case for..... Kirk Ferenz. I'd love to see lerner's face and I also want to know who he brings with him into the meeting.


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Unread postby Lebowski » Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:17 pm

Cart way before the horse, BUT....

If we go with Marty as GM / Prez and Cowher as HC...who would be the likely OC and DC candidates? I would think both MS and BC would have built a lot of good relationships in the league throughout the years. Who has worked as BC's DC besides Lebeau?
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:53 pm

Holy Mother of Mansfield Lucas, when in all of your collective years has anyone ever dreamed that Marty could select talent? Ever?
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby jfiling » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:11 pm

Seriously, Marty as GM?
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Unread postby mrburns » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:45 pm

I'm not sure that Savage feels secure enough in his position to bring in a bigtime head coach. Here's a question: If Lerner's forced to choose between Savage and Cowher, what does he do? What would you do?
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Unread postby furls » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:31 pm

easy choice. Can Phil. He doesn't suck, but he is not irreplaceable. The Browns need to stop taking flyers on coaches and grab a guy with a history of winning. I am fine with Marty or Cowher.
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Unread postby DrPoove » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:34 pm

Mr. Burns wrote:I'm not sure that Savage feels secure enough in his position to bring in a bigtime head coach. Here's a question: If Lerner's forced to choose between Savage and Cowher, what does he do? What would you do?


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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:44 am

jfiling wrote:Seriously, Marty as GM?

For the love of Mike Junkin, Marty as Team President, but not as GM. He can give direction, but leave the talent selection and big game coaching to someone else.
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:09 am

hornet84 wrote:
Steve Buffum wrote:
Crash Davis wrote:• Kirk Ferentz -- Here's a scenario I'm hearing from a league source: If Browns general manager Phil Savage manages to keep his job, which is far from a certainty, he'll go hard after Ferentz as Crennel's replacement. After 10 years as Iowa's head coach, Ferentz might finally consider the time is right for a return to the NFL. The Hawkeyes rebounded this year to 8-4 and knocked off undefeated Penn State in November.


Okay, this frightens me.


I could see Phil trying to talk Pete Carroll into coming back to the NFL. Phil is infatuated with USC. I think he gets a tingle in his nether regions anytime he thinks about the Trojans
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I am curious, not trying to disagree with this statement, just wondering what the basis is for it. There is one player on the Browns roster from USC (Willie McGinest), and I don't know of anyone on the coaching staff with ties to SC. If he is infatuated with the fact that USC is about as close to a professional organization in the collegiate ranks you can get, he's not far off. I am not trying to start a debate, just wondering what the reasoning behind this is?
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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby jb » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:11 am

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
jfiling wrote:Seriously, Marty as GM?

For the love of Mike Junkin, Marty as Team President, but not as GM. He can give direction, but leave the talent selection and big game coaching to someone else.



Minimally, it guarantees you a selection of a LBer number one every year, and we need those? Right?

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Re: SI's Don Banks analyzes the coaching market

Unread postby jb » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:12 am

Mr. Burns wrote:I'm not sure that Savage feels secure enough in his position to bring in a bigtime head coach. Here's a question: If Lerner's forced to choose between Savage and Cowher, what does he do? What would you do?


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