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Unread postby swerb » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:44 am

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Unread postby Guest » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:53 am

LAS VEGAS—Joe Calzaghe beat Bernard Hopkins in a split decision in their battle in Las Vegas. Yahoo! Sports had it 114-113 for Bernard Hopkins, Adalaide Byrd 114-113 for Hopkins, Chuck GIampa 116-111 for Calzaghe, Ted Gimza had it 115-112 for Calzaghe.
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Unread postby Guest » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:54 am

He's lost 3 out of his last 5 fights.
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:16 am

And he'll lose 4 out og 6 when Kelly beats him.

Still, I've been challenging you to name someone outside of Ring's Top 10 LB for LB that deserves to be in there more than him based on their body of work.

Still waiting ...
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Unread postby Guest » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:23 am

Based on their body of work or actually being better than him???
It's not a career ranking right?

Klitschko
Jermain Taylor
Ivan Calderon
Casamayor
Paul Williams
Sugar Shane

6 guys for you, you want me to keep going?
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Unread postby Guest » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:39 pm

I am now waiting for ANYONE to tell me why B-Hop should ranked ahead of any of these guys.
Still waiting................................
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Unread postby swerb » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:12 am

You're right, and every major boxing writer and magazine on the planet is wrong.

FWIW, I have Hopkins about 8th or 9th pound for pound right now, but clearly ranked ahead of all of those guys you listed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=3449751

5. Bernard Hopkins (48-5-1, 32 KOs)

Light heavyweight

Although Hopkins hasn't made too many entertaining fights in recent years, he's been awfully effective. You can make a darn good argument that he deserved the decision against Calzaghe when they met in April.


http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box_ex ... =box,96472

9. Bernard Hopkins
Points: 40
Record: 48-5 (32 KOs)
Title: None
Last outing: L12 to No. 2 Joe Calzaghe on April 19
Previous ranking: 8
Up next: Oct. 18 vs. No. 5 Kelly Pavlik in Atlantic City, N.J.
Analysis: Game’s most crafty fighter.


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1 MANNY PACQUIAO
Lightweight/
Jr. Lightweight
2 JOE CALZAGHE
Super Middle/
Lt. Heavyweight
3 JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ
Jr. Lightweight
4 BERNARD HOPKINS
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Unread postby Guest » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:21 am

What has he done to be considered the #4 fighter in the world?
Please tell me your reasoning, not someone else's.
Good defense? Sure
Dirty? Hell yes
Boring? Very much so.
Not winning? As of late.

People have him ahead of Pavlik? Enough said.

He hasn't been impressive at all. If he looked really good but came up short that's one thing.

The guy has had a very nice career, but there is no way in hell he is the 4th best fighter in the world.

Add Clottey to guys better than him also, he looked good again
last night.
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Unread postby swerb » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:40 am

Yes he's dirty. Yes he's boring? WTF does that have to do with anything?

We get it, you don't like him, he's dirty, he's boring. You've been telling us all that for 2.5 years now. We understand.

He's fought more big fights than all those other guys you mentioned combined. Never been knocked out. Only losses are very tight questionable decisions to top tier fighters. Including a split decision loss to Calzaghe in April. 43-0 Calzaghe who is in everyones top 2-3. A fight one judge and many reputable boxing writers like Kevin Iole had Hopkins winning.

Style ugly? Check. Boring? Check. Hopkins an asshole? Check. Limited punching power at this stage of his career? Yes.

A threat to beat any fighter in the world from 160-175? Also check.

Done debating this with you. I have every reputable boxing writer on the planet on my side. I hate Hopkins and feel dirty defending him. And again, I'd have him more around 8 overall. Not as high as where Ring has him. I fully expect Pavlik to be the first person to knock his old ass out too.

You don't think his fights are exciting enough and he doesn't knock enough people out, thus he sucks. We get it.

Done with this debate. Too much other good stuff going on in this sport to talk about instead of having weekly pissing matches over Bernard Hopkins pound for pound status. Like Clottey/Judah last night.
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Unread postby Guest » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:56 am

What are pound for pound rankings? Opinions right?
I really have to desire to watch Hopkins and he doesnt do anything to make me want to watch him.
I'm guessing a few of those guys in those writer's top 10 you have never seen fight but you have them in your rankings going off of what they say, not what you have seen for yourself.
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Unread postby krazylegz » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:35 pm

interesting,thanks for posting this...
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