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Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun May 11, 2008 10:37 pm

We all need a place to vent, I say we do it here.

I'll start with my gem today at Casino Windsor.

The woman and I sat for about 35 mins (we took a bus, so we only had 5 hrs to gamble anyway) waiting for a 1-2 table to open. The waiting list had 8 people on it and they still wouldn't open a table (they opened the new table with 6, had 8 by the hand I detail).

Finally, they start a new 1-2 table. Strapped on cash, I sat down with $100 (min 40 max 200). Second hand, I pick up Ad Ks. The loser on the right of me says he has no idea what he's doing and mentions that he's from the United States, as if they play a whole lot different in Canada. His son started out his session with a string bet, followed by throwing his call into the middle of the pot in the next three hands, despite the dealer telling him not to.

I make the standard raise, you know, second hand, don't want to get too crazy. I get 6 callers pre-flop. Flop comes out Kd 5c Jd. Loser who has no idea what he's doing bets $5. I raise to $15. Rest of the table folds back to loser who just calls. A 6d gets shown while guy two seats to my left mucks his cards.

Turn card comes out, Kh. Money. Top set, top kick. Loser checks, I bet out $12, probably not big enough, but for some reason K J creeped into my mind, because hacks always flop huge hands. He calls, obviously.

River card comes out, Qh. He goes all-in for his last $17. Insta-call for me, given that the pot is close to the $100 range.

I've been replaying the hand over in my head all day (and it affected the rest of my play at that table and my blackjack play). As I can see it now, I'm pretty that dealer error was involved here. I am about 75% sure that he turned over Ad 10d. Which makes no sense because I had the Ad as my protection, and I remember looking back at that ace immediately after the flop.

Either way, loser turns over A 10 for his magical gutshot.

Loser son says to his degenerate father, "Good, Dad. Now you can give me back the $20 you borrowed. How much did you win on that pot?"

I went back to the poker room some 2.5 hours later and mentioned to the pit boss that I think that we both had an Ad. The best they can do for me is check both decks at that table (the mishap would have been realized during this span, without question). Unfortunately, our bus was leaving within the next 15 mins, and some other clown was having an argument with the two pit bosses, so I couldn't get them to check the tape.

A word of advice. I'm not completely certain, but if that was the Ad, it's the second time I've seen two HUGE screw ups at Casino Windsor. When I played there last year, the automatic in-table shuffler was blinking with an error message that both decks did not have the proper number of cards. Apparently, the dealer did not notice, and after one guy lost heads up with KK v. AA, we found out that the deck missing two cards (the one we used for the showdown) was missing a K and a 10. Be wary when playing at Casino Windsor. Another big dealer error, the same dealer, was what the guy was complaining about. She didn't take into account who had cards and after a raise and re-raise, the seat next to her folded and the guy who was bitching wanted to come all-in over the top on a semi-bluff, she turned over the turn in the process. The exact quote from the pit boss, "Well, mistakes happen."

Anyway, eventually I went broke with 9c 10c after flopping middle pair with a board of J 9 blank. Guy who called had A J, naturally.

Playing blackjack, I played 5 hands with my last $40. I won the first hand 19 over 18. The next 5 hands, lost every one of them, dealer had no lower than 18. I didn't hit on 16 against the dealer showing 8, because I took my bad luck poker beat with me, and it turned out that the hit card was a 5, dealer had 18. Brutal.


So as I sit here and analyze, I ask myself. A. Could he really have been playing Ah 10d waiting for a gutshot? The way I played the hand, could pairing his ace really be good? B. If he did turn over Ad 10d, I was far too pissed off to even notice, and is it my fault? Surely someone should have picked up on it, but he turned his hand over and when I knew I was beat, my downtrodden toss of my cards face up on the table must have signified to the dealer that she could pick them up immediately without making sure. C. Why do hacks get so fucking lucky and bad beats stories always outshine their incompetence? D. Why don't I just stick to tournament poker, where I am a much better player?

/end rant

Someone console me with a bad beat story of their own. Peek, Swerb, you guys have to have some.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon May 12, 2008 9:45 am

I have hundreds.

But it's cost a lot of money to learn to repress those deep into the back of my head.

I will say the last one that stabs at me is midway thru a tourney.

I have AK
Toolbox has KJ. And toolbox is THE guy you want in the hand with you because he's clueless and he's definitely beaten.

There's a king on the flop, toolbox bets big I call.

I'm gonna paid off huge.

Turn is innocuous, tool box bets, I raise myself all-in, toolbox calls, just dominated with KJ to my AK. Guy to my left says he folded a J. Toolbox has two outs, he's 4% or so to hit the J on the river.

Do I need to tell ya the river card?

Happens Tripods. Better players always have more bad beat stories. The reason being they're usually in with the best hand.

You want that hump to call with A10 just like I want mopes tp call my AK with KJ. That's where the cake os baked over the long haul.

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Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 12, 2008 1:34 pm

Peek, what did I do wrong in that hand, outside of not betting bigger on the turn?
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon May 12, 2008 1:55 pm

Skating Tripods wrote:Peek, what did I do wrong in that hand, outside of not betting bigger on the turn?


IMO (which is worth shit mind you), if things went down roughly as you noted with you raising the 'standard amount' pre-flop with your AK, I'll assume you raised to $10 or so.

It says you have 6 callers which means the pot is roughly $60, give or take the blinds.

On the flop (Kd 5c Jd) he bets $5 and you raise to $15 ($10more to villain) but with $80 now in the pot he's getting 8-1 on his money and he's roughly just worse than 5:1 to hit his gutshot Q.

After the turn you bet $12 which still gave him roughly the right price (about 8:1 pot odds on a 9:1 draw) to call to knob you off.

I think a raise to $30-$40 on the flop (after his $5) ends the hand and takes the pot and it's a reasonable raise because you're betting 50-60% of the pot at that time. And you're not giving him the right pot odds to make the call. (all of this is predicated on the read you have, that he's a hump with a chase fetish).

Even if he doesn't understand that and makes the call, you're making the right play and making him make a mistake which is all you can do to put yourself ahead of the game.

The way it played out, he was actually justified from a pot odds perspective to chase that down.

Again, that's just my Monday Morning QBing. I wasn't sitting there and it wasn't my cash being thrown around the table.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Tue May 13, 2008 10:53 pm

If you are making a "standard raise" in a no limit game (I, like Peek is assuming 3-4 times the blinds) and are getting 6 callers, than it's time to ace the old standard raise, and create your own.

The two chief problems I see in the post

1. You were only there a hand or so before this happned, so you had no way at that time to see everyone calling raises

2. If indeed the game was going to play out as such, being strapped for cash isn't the optimal way to play that table. Holy man, 6 people FLAT CALLING a raise. No re-raises etc. Loose passive....that would've been a good game to sit down with TIME and MONEY.

Fundamentally, peeker is correct. You gotta make those humps pay a premium to chase, because, someone out of 6 will, and that's how you make money.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed May 14, 2008 10:06 am

Lead Pipe wrote:If you are making a "standard raise" in a no limit game (I, like Peek is assuming 3-4 times the blinds) and are getting 6 callers, than it's time to ace the old standard raise, and create your own.

The two chief problems I see in the post

1. You were only there a hand or so before this happned, so you had no way at that time to see everyone calling raises

2. If indeed the game was going to play out as such, being strapped for cash isn't the optimal way to play that table. Holy man, 6 people FLAT CALLING a raise. No re-raises etc. Loose passive....that would've been a good game to sit down with TIME and MONEY.

Fundamentally, peeker is correct. You gotta make those humps pay a premium to chase, because, someone out of 6 will, and that's how you make money.


Lead- Tell Tripods the story about you getting check-raised by the one-armed player at the Aladdin. Well, maybe I just did, but that was a moment that will live forever.

It may still be 2nd all-time to Eric getting check-raised by a no-armed guy with prosthetics in a wheelchair at Planet Hollywood (what is about that building that draws that disabled crowd?) when the no-armed guy hit a set of jacks on the river and Eric impulsively and innocently asked him "You got the hooks?" and then cringed (as the table looked on in horror) as the words left his mouth.

Can't make this stuff up.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Wed May 14, 2008 4:53 pm

Peeker643 wrote:
Lead Pipe wrote:If you are making a "standard raise" in a no limit game (I, like Peek is assuming 3-4 times the blinds) and are getting 6 callers, than it's time to ace the old standard raise, and create your own.

The two chief problems I see in the post

1. You were only there a hand or so before this happned, so you had no way at that time to see everyone calling raises

2. If indeed the game was going to play out as such, being strapped for cash isn't the optimal way to play that table. Holy man, 6 people FLAT CALLING a raise. No re-raises etc. Loose passive....that would've been a good game to sit down with TIME and MONEY.

Fundamentally, peeker is correct. You gotta make those humps pay a premium to chase, because, someone out of 6 will, and that's how you make money.


Lead- Tell Tripods the story about you getting check-raised by the one-armed player at the Aladdin. Well, maybe I just did, but that was a moment that will live forever.

It may still be 2nd all-time to Eric getting check-raised by a no-armed guy with prosthetics in a wheelchair at Planet Hollywood (what is about that building that draws that disabled crowd?) when the no-armed guy hit a set of jacks on the river and Eric impulsively and innocently asked him "You got the hooks?" and then cringed (as the table looked on in horror) as the words left his mouth.

Can't make this stuff up.


Yeah, the Lead Man fell for the ole "sympathy for the one armed guy" and let him escapse cheaply a few hands, only to get check-raised th first chance the guy got. That put an end to Lead's sans limb bias at the table.

But, as peeker mentioned, what is utterly amazing, and the greatest part about Vegas is, Lead gets check raised by a one armed guy and the story gets TOPPED one trip later. Our buddy getting check raised by a NO armed guy. I guess you could make an excuse that you didn't see it comin' but good God.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed May 14, 2008 5:10 pm

Lead Pipe wrote:
Peeker643 wrote:
Lead Pipe wrote:If you are making a "standard raise" in a no limit game (I, like Peek is assuming 3-4 times the blinds) and are getting 6 callers, than it's time to ace the old standard raise, and create your own.

The two chief problems I see in the post

1. You were only there a hand or so before this happned, so you had no way at that time to see everyone calling raises

2. If indeed the game was going to play out as such, being strapped for cash isn't the optimal way to play that table. Holy man, 6 people FLAT CALLING a raise. No re-raises etc. Loose passive....that would've been a good game to sit down with TIME and MONEY.

Fundamentally, peeker is correct. You gotta make those humps pay a premium to chase, because, someone out of 6 will, and that's how you make money.


Lead- Tell Tripods the story about you getting check-raised by the one-armed player at the Aladdin. Well, maybe I just did, but that was a moment that will live forever.

It may still be 2nd all-time to Eric getting check-raised by a no-armed guy with prosthetics in a wheelchair at Planet Hollywood (what is about that building that draws that disabled crowd?) when the no-armed guy hit a set of jacks on the river and Eric impulsively and innocently asked him "You got the hooks?" and then cringed (as the table looked on in horror) as the words left his mouth.

Can't make this stuff up.


Yeah, the Lead Man fell for the ole "sympathy for the one armed guy" and let him escapse cheaply a few hands, only to get check-raised th first chance the guy got. That put an end to Lead's sans limb bias at the table.

But, as peeker mentioned, what is utterly amazing, and the greatest part about Vegas is, Lead gets check raised by a one armed guy and the story gets TOPPED one trip later. Our buddy getting check raised by a NO armed guy. I guess you could make an excuse that you didn't see it comin' but good God.


Our buddy couldn't even bring himself to say "Nice Hand Sir" after the no-armed guy literally raked the pot in.

No way. Not after the 'hooks' comment was misconstrued.

That was a solid three straight hours of "I can't find a hand to play" humor after we left.
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Unread postby pup » Wed May 14, 2008 5:42 pm

Dudes - Sherwin Williams is very unhappy with having to purchase me a brand new laptop :lol:
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Unread postby peeker643 » Thu May 15, 2008 12:26 am

Pup wrote:Dudes - Sherwin Williams is very unhappy with having to purchase me a brand new laptop :lol:


Wait til Lead busts out the 'Blau' stories from an even earlier trip. Spring break poker at the Excalibur. There could be an extremely entertaining book written just from those 4 days.

So many morons they all blend together. One guy with his chick who didn't know you could check. Another guy trying to bet a spare quarter he dug out of his pocket.

Endless.

I gotta get my Southwest FF reward and get back out there soon. I'm suffering the DTs.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Thu May 15, 2008 12:46 am

May God strike me dead, peeker and I two years ago were slummin' in the Excali poker room very late on the day we arrived. Not much action in the game until a guy walks in WITH A BRAIN INJURY. Sure as shit - the Frankenstein scar and everything. Staying.. raising every pot with nothing. It was so bad the dealer broke character and asked where he was before this, meaning, how the hell are you getting around on your own without help.

Vegas.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Thu May 15, 2008 9:18 am

May God strike me dead, peeker and I two years ago were slummin' in the Excali poker room very late on the day we arrived. Not much action in the game until a guy walks in WITH A BRAIN INJURY. Sure as shit - the Frankenstein scar and everything. Staying.. raising every pot with nothing. It was so bad the dealer broke character and asked where he was before this, meaning, how the hell are you getting around on your own without help.

Vegas.


To answer the obvious question, we stayed, played and emptied his pokets when Lead and I each hit 4 of a kind against organic brain injury guy. We tried to be nice and tell him we have big hands here. He ket saying he did too and raising it up/ We showed quads, he'd show 5-7 offsuit, we'd sweep pots. It got so bad at 430am that off-shift dealers came over just to watch a shitty 2-4 game.

Just for Pup.

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http://peeker643.blogspot.com/2006/06/y ... ys-of.html

I can't believe the blog is still active but this explains the trip pretty well.

"It ain't Gonna Lick Itself" is probably a good way to summarize it all.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu May 15, 2008 6:40 pm

I was playing at Mountaineer in December and saw a real gem.

Guy picks up two jacks, in middle position or so. Girl in first position flat calls pre-flop in the 1-2 NL game (min 40, max 300), and then flat calls the raise.

Flop comes out with a couple of diamonds, I don't remember exactly what diamonds for sure. I had been bullshitting with some Tribe fans at the table for a few hours now. Girl bets out, guy comes over the top, flop is all under cards.

Turn card hits the guy's set, she pushes all-in, he calls immediately. He throws over his jacks, she shows 5d 2d. Rivers her flush for somewhere around $180.


At least she wasn't injured, a midget, or Stephen Hawking.
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Unread postby TCBinaflash » Fri May 16, 2008 11:36 am

Skating Tripods wrote:Peek, what did I do wrong in that hand, outside of not betting bigger on the turn?


If I could chime in, if I was in this hand.....

First, you got serious info this guy was a douche. There we're 2 diamonds on the flop so automatically you have to figure he is chasing something. Whether its the diamond draw or not.

When dude makes the flop bet, the pot by my math is about $45 bucks. At this point I would think the wise move is to push hard. Because you only sat down with $100 and the draw is scary.

I'm a better tourney player as well, but when I know I got the winning hand in a cash game I do my best to raise properly to build the pot and take it down as quickly as possible. If you hang tight you will win more than you lose and you avoid all the douchebaggery.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Fri May 16, 2008 11:45 am

TCBinaflash wrote:If I could chime in, if I was in this hand.....

First, you got serious info this guy was a douche. There we're 2 diamonds on the flop so automatically you have to figure he is chasing something. Whether its the diamond draw or not.


I was thinking K Q or K 8 area was possible too.

When dude makes the flop bet, the pot by my math is about $45 bucks. At this point I would think the wise move is to push hard. Because you only sat down with $100 and the draw is scary.


I played the hand strongly enough to get the other callers out, that's the thing. From that point on, I don't think there's any way that Toolbox McDouchebag is folding, even if I overbet and push all in ($60 or so) on the turn.

I'm a better tourney player as well, but when I know I got the winning hand in a cash game I do my best to raise properly to build the pot and take it down as quickly as possible. If you hang tight you will win more than you lose and you avoid all the douchebaggery.


I'm a much better tournament player too. Mostly because it's usually short handed at home games and I like to think I'm pretty deadly playing at a short handed table, especially playing with people I play with a lot.
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Unread postby TCBinaflash » Fri May 16, 2008 12:56 pm

I played the hand strongly enough to get the other callers out, that's the thing. From that point on, I don't think there's any way that Toolbox McDouchebag is folding, even if I overbet and push all in ($60 or so) on the turn.


He bet $ 5 into a $45 dollar pot so he must not be very confident with whatever he has. So he is either betting the flush draw (which is a slim possibility given the inexperience) or there we're several checks in front of him and he thought he could steal it.

My main point is, you hit almost the perfect flop and you don't have a lot of money. Take what you can get when the opps. present themselves.


I'm a much better tournament player too. Mostly because it's usually short handed at home games and I like to think I'm pretty deadly playing at a short handed table, especially playing with people I play with a lot.


Same here, I tear up my home game. I won a few bigger tourneys online before the ban. Couple thousand a few times.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:12 pm

I made a horrible play last night at Scorekeeper's. It's a free tourney, winner and 2nd get a $30 and $10 gift cert.

First hand of the tourney, I'm next to the dealer before the cutoff. I pick up A Q off. Blinds are at 20-40 with a starting stack of 2000. I raise to 120 after a few limpers. Guy on the button calls, one other caller, rest of limpers fold.

Flop comes out A J Q, all diamonds. First guy checks, I bet out 150, button calls, fta folds. Turn's a blank, 4c or something. I bet out 175, button calls.

River is the 10c. I make my fatal mistake and check. Then I make my next fatal mistake and fold to his bet of 200. I show him my fold, thinking, he has A K, caught on the river, and I'm making a fantastic laydown. He shows me Q J.

Obviously just a terrible play on my part. 200 to win a pot of over 8. What's another 200 in a tourney where blinds raise every 20 and it's free. Just stupid. Even if I make the right laydown, in hindsight, it's a stupid play because there's so much money out there. Clearly overthinking the hand and playing my opponent's hand instead of the pot odds.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:45 pm

Skating Tripods wrote:I made a horrible play last night at Scorekeeper's. It's a free tourney, winner and 2nd get a $30 and $10 gift cert.

First hand of the tourney, I'm next to the dealer before the cutoff. I pick up A Q off. Blinds are at 20-40 with a starting stack of 2000. I raise to 120 after a few limpers. Guy on the button calls, one other caller, rest of limpers fold.

Flop comes out A J Q, all diamonds. First guy checks, I bet out 150, button calls, fta folds. Turn's a blank, 4c or something. I bet out 175, button calls.

River is the 10c. I make my fatal mistake and check. Then I make my next fatal mistake and fold to his bet of 200. I show him my fold, thinking, he has A K, caught on the river, and I'm making a fantastic laydown. He shows me Q J.

Obviously just a terrible play on my part. 200 to win a pot of over 8. What's another 200 in a tourney where blinds raise every 20 and it's free. Just stupid. Even if I make the right laydown, in hindsight, it's a stupid play because there's so much money out there. Clearly overthinking the hand and playing my opponent's hand instead of the pot odds.


Happens. Talk yourself into assuming someone has the hand that beats you. I'm guilty of that a lot, especially if running bad. You're getting better than 4-1 there to call so you have to be better than 80% sure you're beat to lay it down.

If you thought the percentage chance he was better was that high then you were right to fold. Otherwise, ughhh. :mrgreen:
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:51 pm

Peeker643 wrote:Happens. Talk yourself into assuming someone has the hand that beats you. I'm guilty of that a lot, especially if running bad. You're getting better than 4-1 there to call so you have to be better than 80% sure you're beat to lay it down.

If you thought the percentage chance he was better was that high then you were right to fold. Otherwise, ughhh. :mrgreen:


That's the thing. Unless he has the Kd for protection, flat calling is probably the right play that whole hand. K Q is a possibility too. K J, I don't know, I've seen worse plays.

I've got to put it out of my mind cause I'm probably going to Seneca Alleghany on Friday and I'm in need of a positive outcome.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:10 pm

So I played at Seneca Allegany on Saturday morning, here's some highlights.

I've never seen so many four-card straight or flushes on a board in my life. My pocket 3s fell victim to it, after a guy flopped an open-ended and paired on the turn. I hit trips, but they were no good and I folded to a bet of 40 on the end, with a pot of 80 or so.

The bad beat jackpot, quads over quads; both pocket cards must play, was given away last Tuesday according to dealers. The jackpot: $144k. Half to the victim of the bad beat, 1/4 to the deliverer, and 1/4 to the rest of the table just for being there. It's up to $55k now.

The worst beat was some woman with pocket 9s making trips on the flop calling an all-in on the turn with a guy who obviously played the hand like he had a flush. He turned over a flush and the board paired on the end for her boat.

There was a tournament going on as well, where the worst beat was aces full getting taken out by a club royal flush.

Overall, the poker room is nice and spacious. I went on Friday night to try and play some $25 + $5 or $50 + $10 sit-n-go tourneys, but I was the only name on the list. There are two different 1-2 NL games, $100 max and $200 max.

It's extremely easy to get there and all drinks, alcohol included, are free. It's 90E to 86E, picked up just after Erie, PA. The casino is right off the freeway. $230 a night at the casino, but we stayed at the Holiday Inn Express for $152...there's a slot machine gaming place with high stakes bingo right across the street for 18 & over. There's a complimentary shuttle to take you from place to place. It was nestled in Seneca Indian territory, in Salamanca, NY. If you like cheap, tax free smokes, that town is for you. There's nothing else in the area, however.

Two phenomenal restaurants in the casino. Patria, an Italian place, had a huge plate of spaghetti and two head-size meatballs for $12. The Seneca Cafe has one of the best burgers I've ever had for $8.99 with fries.

Overall, a decent place, very tight slots, lots of cigarette smoke, but a nice layout, and free alcohol is always a plus.
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Unread postby jpd1224 » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:31 pm

A guy I play cards with, Bob Hendricks, from Leetonia, was sitting at that bad beat table. Never has he seen a guy so pumped to lose. It must have been a week ago Tuesday, because he told us about it last Monday. He was trying to leave, but was talked into playing a few more hands.
His cut was $5 grand. But he had to wait about two hours for the dicks to rope off the scene and check every card, chip, chair, shirt, dust for fingerprints, submit everyone to lie detector tests, etc. The dealer did not move from her seat the entire time. She did not mind, tho, as Bob estimated her tip at almost 10 G's.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:33 pm

jpd1224 wrote:A guy I play cards with, Bob Hendricks, from Leetonia, was sitting at that bad beat table. Never has he seen a guy so pumped to lose. It must have been a week ago Tuesday, because he told us about it last Monday. He was trying to leave, but was talked into playing a few more hands.
His cut was $5 grand. But he had to wait about two hours for the dicks to rope off the scene and check every card, chip, chair, shirt, dust for fingerprints, submit everyone to lie detector tests, etc. The dealer did not move from her seat the entire time. She did not mind, tho, as Bob estimated her tip at almost 10 G's.


Awesome. I think the girl who dealt the bad beat was the first dealer at had at the 1-2 table. She was my favorite dealer. She was easily the most personable I had during the three hours I was there.
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