Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:Oh hey, legitimate discussion.My issue is helping people who dont want to help themselves. I am all for helping those who want to help themselves. How do families live generations on welfare? there is no incentive to get off... what about a sliding scale that eventually goes away after a certain time limit.
Here you have more in common with the modern Democratic party than you think you do...The American dream has gone from setting goals and go out to achieve them and america will get out of your way. To now dont dream at all Obama, Clinton, and Pelosi will take care of, just remember them come November.
... unless you're arguing against Right-Wing Radio Liberal Boogeymen. That's not what the Dems are saying these days at all.And before you think I am just harping on Dems, the biggest disappointment in Dubya for me is his utter failure to not privatize social security. I am young, give me my money and I will take care of myself when I become 65. I can invest it a hell of alot better than the US government.
Well, perhaps you can, but what about those Americans that don't have the time or intelligence to worry about investment? What happens if your investment is tied up in Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers?
I dont have much at all in common with the democrats of America, additionally Obama and the rest of Democratic party basically buy votes through social programs. They do not provide incentives. They say I am going to raise the taxes of rich people and give it to you... Great, thanks Fucking Robin Hood.
Concerning social security sure there would be a huge group of people where the government would have to foot the bill for and that is why it would be expensive... however, if we just sit there and keep passing the buck to the next generation to pay for people who are 65 to have extra retirement arent we just going to dig deeper and deeper? There is a point where we have to stop. SS is paying out more than it brings in. That is a problem. There is risk to every investment, but being 40 years away from SS myself I would rather take the risk with investing my own money than relying on the government to supplement my own income.
I want to pay a fair share of taxes for military, roads, schools and some parks... other than give me my money... the government doesnt need to help me save, I am responsible, I dont need to pay for people to have 15 children and collect welfare in 3 states because one day I will have to pay for my own children. BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELF. Sorry if that is harsh, but that is life. There are people who need help and like I said I want them to get it, BUT I do not want to help people who dont help themselves. That might be mean, but that is how I feel. Im sick of it.