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by Bill the Butcher » Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:07 am
4thQtrGlory wrote:If we got all that, i would hang a browns flag from my boner for 2 weeks straight...
by FUDU » Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:19 am
But what if someone had successfully figured it out? Suppose, for the sake of argument, that somebody figured out a way for vehicles to run on water. It's abundant, efficient, and it'd probably be cheaper than oil... the Earth isn't polluted anymore and the amount of smog is plateaued... everybody wins. Wouldn't that new vehicle be sweeping the nation? The world? Wouldn't governments embrace this new technological advancement with open arms?
by skatingtripods » Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:41 am
by Bill the Butcher » Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:40 pm
FUDU wrote:Just a heads up, but bringing up this type of discussion invites a lot of tangents and hi jacks, plenty of which could be way way out there and really bury your point/intention.
by jfiling » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:52 pm
by Bill the Butcher » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:59 am
by Bill the Butcher » Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:20 pm
by skatingtripods » Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:33 pm
by Bill the Butcher » Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:59 pm
by skatingtripods » Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:50 pm
Bill the Butcher wrote:Good stuff, Tripods.Hah, first I'd like to say that I am not a conspiracy theorist. I actually heard these views from someplace else, just relaying it on here to get feedback on what others think. But you didn't know that, so I take no offense to your first sentence.
by FUDU » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:29 pm
The medical industry isn't some big money-making conspiracy. It is a valuable resource and an absolutely necessary resource for the care, treatment, and betterment of the human race.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:21 pm
jfiling wrote:I like the general theme of this post. President Eisenhower warned us about this in his farewell address.Ike knew it 47 years ago. Too bad his message has been forgotten.
by Bill the Butcher » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:34 am
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:Ike did warn about the military industrial complex.What you never hear people mention is his warning also against academic elites and the cost of the educational-industrial complex.The universities suck dry as well and use the same tactics as the military-industrial complex to get their money.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:20 am
Bill the Butcher wrote:How so? What specific tactics?
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.
by Bill the Butcher » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:36 am
by skatingtripods » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:14 pm
FUDU wrote:Then why do we pay for RX drugs?
by FUDU » Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:31 pm
Skating Tripods wrote:FUDU wrote:Then why do we pay for RX drugs?Because, like any other service, you have to pay into it to get a return. The money goes for the ingredients that make up the drug as well as further research and development of the drug.Not to mention, someone has to get paid right? Otherwise, what's the point in working for that company?
It is a valuable resource and an absolutely necessary resource for the care, treatment, and betterment of the human race.
by skatingtripods » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:09 pm
FUDU wrote:Skating Tripods wrote:FUDU wrote:Then why do we pay for RX drugs?Because, like any other service, you have to pay into it to get a return. The money goes for the ingredients that make up the drug as well as further research and development of the drug.Not to mention, someone has to get paid right? Otherwise, what's the point in working for that company?B/C : It is a valuable resource and an absolutely necessary resource for the care, treatment, and betterment of the human race.I thought?
by FUDU » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:40 pm
by skatingtripods » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:58 pm
If indeed this is all for the benefit of human kind then by God it shouldn't cost us what it does. To be consistent with that train of thought it should either be free or the medical industry should not profit from their efforts, however the have HUGE profits.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:35 pm
by Bill the Butcher » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:57 pm
by FUDU » Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:10 pm
Just because they're for treating people, they have no right to be a profitable industry? I don't understand that train of thought at all.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:46 am
FUDU wrote:My point being if it was truly for treating people, truly for the betterment of mankind and its well being profit would never enter the equation.
by Bill the Butcher » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:05 am
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:18 am
Bill the Butcher wrote:I think the point FUDU is trying to make is if it weren't for the big paychecks, people in the medical field wouldn't be doing what they are doing. Most of them are motivated by the money, not by the betterment of mankind. It's selfish and not at the same time. But in my opinion, I think it's a bit more selfish than not.
by FUDU » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:33 am
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:52 am
FUDU wrote:My point here is the medical industry is inherently tied to humanitarianism and to be truly humanitarian about going forth with it is not inline with profit driven incentive. Their are many individuals in the medical community driven by the good work they do and the motivation of helping people, the industry as a whole however does not take on that personal touch.If it were really about solving health concerns for people for the sake of improving people's lives RX drugs like Nexium wouldn't cost $3 a pill for some people. Or they wouldn't make up conditions like RLS (restless leg syndrome) to sell a pill, seriously gimme a break with that stuff. If your legs are restless you need to mix in a bike ride or some exercise.
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