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by skatingtripods » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:27 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:36 pm
Nevertheless, here is where the greatest divide lies. 80% of the country finds illegal immigration to be a problem. Most people who I have talked to who watch the bulk of the donkey debates aren't even clear as to what the Dems plan to do about illegal immigration. Why is this?
Simply, the media, outside of Fox News, brandishes their anti-conservative bias in all aspects of their coverage. You will never hear CNN or MSNBC mention that a Real Clear Politics poll says that 70% of those polled think the Democratic-run Congress is doing a poor job. Why is it that such a divide exists and that the liberals are the only ones to take advantage of it?
I understand that is the risk taken. But the fact that a media can bastardize an election this much is a sad commentary on the way people get their information.
by HoodooMan » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:37 pm
by FUDU » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:06 pm
by HoodooMan » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:16 pm
by FUDU » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:20 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:28 am
FUDU wrote:Fair and Balanced always cracks me up, really if one was would they have to say it?I read you now Hoodoo.
by mrburns » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:30 am
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:FUDU wrote:Fair and Balanced always cracks me up, really if one was would they have to say it?I read you now Hoodoo.Fair and Balanced Fox News PersonalitiesRight wingBill O'ReilySean HannityLaura IngramBrit HumeMort KondrakeJohn GibsonNeil CavutoMichell MalkinAnn CoulterCharles KrauthammerSteve DuseyJohn KasicBill KrystalLeft WingJane HallDick Morris (not really)Alan Colmes (sorta)Neil GablerHmmmmm Im not sure if thats balanced......
by ProgRocker » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:37 am
by skatingtripods » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:19 pm
HoodooMan wrote:80% strikes me as a pretty high number, even for something as overly general as "illegal immigration is a problem."
More than 76 % of the online poll respondents said a candidate's position on immigration is a "very important" or "somewhat important" factor in their decision on who to vote for in the presidential elections of 2008.
I don't think most liberals are particularly concerned about it. Even those who'd say "illegal immigration is a problem" don't have to think it's a pressing issue.
Justify to who? The far right?
Which is it? Is the opportunity to clarify one's position an advantage or is the opportunity to generalize one's position an advantage?
Hey, did you catch that GOP debate on black issues, led by Tavis Smiley? No? Neither did any of the leading GOP candidates.
I can't even tell you how many times I've heard how unhappy people are with the Democratic-majority congress and how their approval rating is even lower than GW's. And I don't watch Fox News. So I'm pretty sure you're talking nonsense.
Don't be so naive. Go watch Network, it's a great movie. Or if you don't have that much time, listen to some Wu Tang.Cash Rules Everything Around Me.Parroting terms like "liberal media" is just silliness. CNN doesn't give any more of a fuck about what you think than anyone else, not even Fox. Where a news program's content falls on the political spectrum is about as relevant as it is for a sitcom or a melodrama or a reality show or whatever else anyone's watching on TV. They give you what they give you, because that's what sells. The market had a demand for conservative programming, and up popped Fox News. Don't think for a second that Rupert Murdoch, regardless of his political affliliation, wouldn't pull the plug on the network if that demand ceased to exist.
ProgRocker wrote:Wait a minute, Tripods -- didn't the Republicans themselves make immigration an issue by trying to push through a reform bill that they themselves actually stopped? And look at who your front runner has become -- immigration and foreign policy (in the form of his support of The Surge) are pretty much his signature legislative issues! What else do you think they were going to debate last night, except how distracting that damned plane was behind them?!
That the Democrats are talking about health care (and is a central part of the debate) can easily be explained by the fact that Hillary was the point person during the last attempt to reform health care. She's there, it would be silly not to ask her and the other candidates about it -- and I have no worries that both candidates will be asked about all of these issues during the general election in September.
That's also where we'll see which issue -- immigration or health care -- is really more important to most voters. My guess is health care, and at that point McCain or whomever will have a chance to catch up on health care while Hillary or whomever will also have to talk about immigration (and both have had problems talking about the other's issues).
I sense a lot of frustration that you're trying to take out on reporters, but I would like to propose that it's a misplaced frustration. I don't exactly know where it is other than perhaps a disquiet over McCain as the nominee ... ?
by skatingtripods » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:45 pm
by HoodooMan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:53 pm
by FUDU » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:10 pm
It's "very important" to me that we don't elect politicans who want to drain millions of dollars into something as cartoonishly ridiculous as building a wall on the Mexican border.
by ProgRocker » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:58 pm
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