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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:50 pm

Is that DU in the back with the leather vest and mustache?

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:50 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
Orenthal wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm going to modify my blame scale 75% Wall Street 20% DC 5% loan taker. I'm a very generous guy, and this scale is pretty much fucking flawless. So that's the end of it.


I'm waiting for a single mother fucker to go to jail. All the fucks in D.C. just "decided" to not seek re-election, the Wall Street guys are nameless or the allies of political power brokers, and Joe Fraud Flipper sold his houses quickly enough to be unaffected. Loan taker didn't bring any capital to the party so his credit may take a hit, but he can rent. No its Joe Homeowner who gets fucked, and has to be responsible.

Anyway CDT its tribalism.


You're a moderate. You only want jail.

I advocate 30 hours of the Bastinado. Minimum.


I'm not gonna say why I need the suppressor. Though after the Bastinado perhaps some forced standing would be worse...???
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:51 pm

Trust me I tried cherry picking a humiliating Hemi photo, but I just got bored. OWS is more "action oriented".
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:52 pm

Did you have to look up Bastinado?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:53 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm right and your stupid.

Haven't you passed out from hunger yet, dummy?

Go suck on a pickle.

Edit: "Waaaaaaahhhhhh! I'm going to whine about how boring it is so it seems like i'm above it but i'm really not that's why i'm still here Waaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!"


I'm not above it. I'm right in the middle of it. Raising 3 daughters in it and hoping like hell they're not also going to be paying through the nose for those sins of the father type things that have us all where we are. Which is agreeing there's a problem and something needs to be fixed but arguing in circular cliches about who fucking caused it and who will get credit for stepping up.

Same old, same old. Find it ridiculous that people cling to the tenets of political affiliations that disappeared a couple decades ago and were bastardized and divided by greedy, lying motherfuckers on both sides of the aisle.

Someone post a cute picture of that. Repubs and Democrats? Fuck that. No such thing. Not in a long time. Bunch of brain-washed lemmings who proudly dismiss that label by proudly spouting party pablum that hasn't existed in actuality for a couple decades.

I'm still hunger striking hard for the NBA dude. Had a Dilly Bar a little bit ago. Empty calories and no nutritional value at all. Still killing this hunger strike for the cause.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:55 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Did you have to look up Bastinado?


No. The Albanian mafia doesn't always quickly kill people.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:57 pm

Good work Peeks.

Negotations went well enough today Stern was out during Hunter's press conference cracking jokes and smiling. Both Hunter and Stern said they expect big moves tomorrow.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:59 pm

Albanian Mafia? Those have to be some devious characters.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby HoodooMan » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:05 pm

Orenthal wrote:Considering you brought such attention, and rightfully so, to the depth of our deficit and the steps needed to rationally fix that problem (the CBO report, the mix of increased revenues and spending cuts) I find it odd your about to add another HUGE entitlement on top of the mess.

Free my ass. Funny how all this free stuff costs so damn much.


If you want to go ahead and make me King, I don't think I'd have that much difficulty introducing the social programs that'd help us be a more civilized, advanced nation within the constraints of a balanced budget (or at minimum, reasonable deficits). And there are several revenue increasing options I'd go to before raising the hell out of your income tax rates, you adorable 1%er, you.

However, stuck with a shitty by-necessity, tards-run democracy, I don't think it makes sense to have social programs The People don't value and want to support, because you're right, it all comes with a cost. But it doesn't seem appropriate to label OWSers as crazy for suggesting programs our slack-jawed majority doesn't want; they're just talking about what the kind of country they'd prefer; it's kind of what people do. Tea Partiers talk about an ideal where everything is reduced to shit so that we can have really low tax rates; OWSers just go in the other direction. And, you know, with respect to everything but one, that whole We are the 99% thing is, of course, kind of BS. But "We are a liberal minority who are frustrated by a conservative majority who've been suckered into a structure that supports an obscenely small amount of people at the expense of everyone else" doesn't quite have the same catchy ring to it.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:05 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm right and your stupid.

Haven't you passed out from hunger yet, dummy?

Go suck on a pickle.

Edit: "Waaaaaaahhhhhh! I'm going to whine about how boring it is so it seems like i'm above it but i'm really not that's why i'm still here Waaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!"


I'm not above it. I'm right in the middle of it. Raising 3 daughters in it and hoping like hell they're not also going to be paying through the nose for those sins of the father type things that have us all where we are. Which is agreeing there's a problem and something needs to be fixed but arguing in circular cliches about who fucking caused it and who will get credit for stepping up.

Same old, same old. Find it ridiculous that people cling to the tenets of political affiliations that disappeared a couple decades ago and were bastardized and divided by greedy, lying motherfuckers on both sides of the aisle.

Someone post a cute picture of that. Repubs and Democrats? Fuck that. No such thing. Not in a long time. Bunch of brain-washed lemmings who proudly dismiss that label by proudly spouting party pablum that hasn't existed in actuality for a couple decades.

I'm still hunger striking hard for the NBA dude. Had a Dilly Bar a little bit ago. Empty calories and no nutritional value at all. Still killing this hunger strike for the cause.


Jesus... I... was... joking?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:06 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Good work Peeks.


Shut up, fag.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:09 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Good work Peeks.

Negotations went well enough today Stern was out during Hunter's press conference cracking jokes and smiling. Both Hunter and Stern said they expect big moves tomorrow.

WOOHOOO


We're all in it together Lee. Sure, some would call my hunger strike heroic and courageous, but we're all doing our part. I just hope it ends soon before I waste away even more.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:10 pm

peeker643 wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:Good work Peeks.

Negotations went well enough today Stern was out during Hunter's press conference cracking jokes and smiling. Both Hunter and Stern said they expect big moves tomorrow.

WOOHOOO


We're all in it together Lee. Sure, some would call my hunger strike heroic and courageous, but we're all doing our part. I just hope it ends soon before I waste away even more.


When do you start killing Bambi?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby HoodooMan » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:14 pm

Orenthal wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:Too mnay jackasses go to college as it is, if you make it free we'll have even more people w/ useless degress.


Well, from what I remember/understand, in Germany you have to pass a relatively difficult test to be eligible. I looked up recently and saw that only 30% of German hike schoolers go to college (state by state %s range from 45%ish to 75%ish in the US, with most doubling the German %), so if you want to imagine a rough American equivalent, imagine Free College(!!!) being available to the top 30% of high school graduates, while the other 70% are channeled through vocational programs in HS.


Much info in this study http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/44/17/48657384.pdf


I'll go back and read this later.

Initial impression based on skimming the first couple pages: maybe the whole "Our population isn't growing so much, while others are exploding in grof" thing might be more relevant than they're admitting there.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:19 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm right and your stupid.

Haven't you passed out from hunger yet, dummy?

Go suck on a pickle.

Edit: "Waaaaaaahhhhhh! I'm going to whine about how boring it is so it seems like i'm above it but i'm really not that's why i'm still here Waaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!"


I'm not above it. I'm right in the middle of it. Raising 3 daughters in it and hoping like hell they're not also going to be paying through the nose for those sins of the father type things that have us all where we are. Which is agreeing there's a problem and something needs to be fixed but arguing in circular cliches about who fucking caused it and who will get credit for stepping up.

Same old, same old. Find it ridiculous that people cling to the tenets of political affiliations that disappeared a couple decades ago and were bastardized and divided by greedy, lying motherfuckers on both sides of the aisle.

Someone post a cute picture of that. Repubs and Democrats? Fuck that. No such thing. Not in a long time. Bunch of brain-washed lemmings who proudly dismiss that label by proudly spouting party pablum that hasn't existed in actuality for a couple decades.

I'm still hunger striking hard for the NBA dude. Had a Dilly Bar a little bit ago. Empty calories and no nutritional value at all. Still killing this hunger strike for the cause.


Jesus... I... was... joking?


Yeah, I know. It's just tiresome to me that people who can agree there's an issue would rather blame someone else for it than fix it. Then get stuck on semantics, the basis of which pretty much died with Eisenhower. That's fucking stupidity. It wasn't directed at you or mean spirited. Just a general vent.

You know where I fall on most issues. Fiscally conservative, far less conservative socially for the most part. But I'm tired of being married to dogma and horseshit. Those family-values religitards? Some are fucking little boys and pocketing half the offeratory basket. Those 'for the working man' dems? A large percentage have their tongues so far up the asses of big corporations they can lick the liver.

But they're living well. You know who's struggling? The fucking idiots who cling to the idealism those assholes toss out like a smokescreen.

Tiresome.

I'll kill Bambi as soon as I can find some time to run away to the woods for a day or two. Just got back on the racquetball court tonight for the first time in months and nothing fell off, cracked or collapsed so I think I could climb and drag a deer out of the woods if I have the chance.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:28 pm

Yeah, I know. It's just tiresome to me that people who can agree there's an issue would rather blame someone else for it than fix it. Then get stuck on semantics, the basis of which pretty much died with Eisenhower. That's fucking stupidity. It wasn't directed at you or mean spirited. Just a general vent.


No no, I didn't take it as directed at me, or even mean spirited. I was just surprised my lame jokes could illicit such serious response.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:32 pm

1. We do not need more people in colleges. I can't remember the last time I agreed with e0y because generally he sucks at life.

2. 25% Wall Street, 25% Government/Fannie/Freddie, 25% Credit agencies, loan officers, appraisers, etc. 25% homeowner. That is the definitive blame structure. That is flawless because with out every party nothing would have been nearly as bad as it was/is

3. Cherry picking pictures only makes sense numbnuts. What the fuck are OJ and I supposed to post? Old ladies with teabags hanging from their hat. Its not like we have civil and rational conversations here. We all have roles. They are fun.

4. Anything CDT and I debate is awesomeness and not boring. He is a master debater.

5. This thread is pretty sweet, the only thing that would improve the awesomeness is... TEBOWING!!!!!

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:38 pm

HoodooMan wrote:But it doesn't seem appropriate to label OWSers as crazy for suggesting programs our slack-jawed majority doesn't want; they're just talking about what the kind of country they'd prefer; it's kind of what people do. Tea Partiers talk about an ideal where everything is reduced to shit so that we can have really low tax rates; OWSers just go in the other direction. And, you know, with respect to everything but one, that whole We are the 99% thing is, of course, kind of BS. But "We are a liberal minority who are frustrated by a conservative majority who've been suckered into a structure that supports an obscenely small amount of people at the expense of everyone else" doesn't quite have the same catchy ring to it.


Uh, yea I disagree with their message and view for this country. They want more socialism (debating this is ::doh:: ), I say that socialism and its buddy corporatism is what creates these problems. Capitalism will always have winners and losers, but the level of socialism OWS advocates is a loser everywhere its been tried. IMO, capitalism with a few saftey nets is more then reasonable. To error to either extreme, Tea Party or OWS is foolish, but its obvious which side I lean closer too.

IMO, peeks position hardly puts him above the fray. While he rightly points out waiting to point blame while deflecting the exact behavior from "your guys" is hypocritical. He has no problems creating straw men, attributing arguements that were never stated, and impugning my fine character. IOW typical political theater of the message boards.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:41 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
Orenthal wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:Too mnay jackasses go to college as it is, if you make it free we'll have even more people w/ useless degress.


Well, from what I remember/understand, in Germany you have to pass a relatively difficult test to be eligible. I looked up recently and saw that only 30% of German hike schoolers go to college (state by state %s range from 45%ish to 75%ish in the US, with most doubling the German %), so if you want to imagine a rough American equivalent, imagine Free College(!!!) being available to the top 30% of high school graduates, while the other 70% are channeled through vocational programs in HS.


Much info in this study http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/44/17/48657384.pdf


I'll go back and read this later.

Initial impression based on skimming the first couple pages: maybe the whole "Our population isn't growing so much, while others are exploding in grof" thing might be more relevant than they're admitting there.


Ha, yes the demographics, but US return on investment is higher, and there are a couple other lil bits that don't discredit the German model, but give pause. Another macro unthought off aspect is how little European countries spend on defense due to the umbrella of US power. We subsidize some of that...
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:43 pm

Ziner wrote:5. This thread is pretty sweet, the only thing that would improve the awesomeness is... TEBOWING!!!!!

http://tebowing.com/ You owe it to yourself to enjoy this.


or bw and kingpin.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:44 pm

I know winners. Because I am one. That's right.... I'm a winner and i'm on a non-stop victory lap.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:49 pm

Orenthal wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:But it doesn't seem appropriate to label OWSers as crazy for suggesting programs our slack-jawed majority doesn't want; they're just talking about what the kind of country they'd prefer; it's kind of what people do. Tea Partiers talk about an ideal where everything is reduced to shit so that we can have really low tax rates; OWSers just go in the other direction. And, you know, with respect to everything but one, that whole We are the 99% thing is, of course, kind of BS. But "We are a liberal minority who are frustrated by a conservative majority who've been suckered into a structure that supports an obscenely small amount of people at the expense of everyone else" doesn't quite have the same catchy ring to it.


Uh, yea I disagree with their message and view for this country. They want more socialism (debating this is ::doh:: ), I say that socialism and its buddy corporatism is what creates these problems. Capitalism will always have winners and losers, but the level of socialism OWS advocates is a loser everywhere its been tried. IMO, capitalism with a few saftey nets is more then reasonable. To error to either extreme, Tea Party or OWS is foolish, but its obvious which side I lean closer too.

IMO, peeks position hardly puts him above the fray. While he rightly points out waiting to point blame while deflecting the exact behavior from "your guys" is hypocritical. He has no problems creating straw men, attributing arguements that were never stated, and impugning my fine character. IOW typical political theater of the message boards.


I gauge a man's character by the number of grammatical errors and sentence fragments in his prose. It's an inverse correlation. The more errors and fragments, the less character. Your character is (and this can be improved upon if you doggedly work on it) right above Casey Anthony but below Kenneth Lay. :nanner:

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:50 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Albanian Mafia? Those have to be some devious characters.


Scare me enough...


Good piece was done on Discovery Times. I'm sure some are at our church. I don't want to know about it cuz I'm only 50% and the first question they ask is if you pure.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:52 pm

peeker643 wrote:I gauge a man's character by the number of grammatical errors and sentence fragments in his prose. It's an inverse correlation. The more errors and fragments, the less character. Your character is (and this can be improved upon if you doggedly work on it) right above Casey Anthony but below Kenneth Lay. :nanner:

Your dream of being positioned under Kenneth Lay and on top of Casey Anthony has finally come to fruition. ;-) ;) :wink:


I really need to work on passive voice use too.



Oh, not much to disagree with there...
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:58 pm

I'm going to throw this crazy idea out there. If a bank is too big to fail, it's too big to exist in it's present form.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:00 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm going to throw this crazy idea out there. If a government is too big to fail, it's too big to exist in it's present form.



Had to fix that.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:01 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm going to throw this crazy idea out there. If a bank is too big to fail, it's too big to exist in it's present form.

:salute:

...and if they bet wrong they should go bankrupt and should feel pain. Maybe that would prevent or increase the amount of time before the next guy tries something similar.

Good one Ziner!
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:05 pm

Ziner wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm going to throw this crazy idea out there. If a government is too big to fail, it's too big to exist in it's present form.



Had to fix that.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:06 pm

The government is failing, erego it's not too big? You better be careful with that thought before the dog-walkers adopt it and run with it. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:08 pm

I agree with both points actually, I just couldnt help being a dick. Here comes a PeekerJB rant....

The even more disturbing thing is that after they bailed them out they go and make them bigger, like BoA acquiring Merrill.


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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:09 pm

Has he commented on aspects of you life yet?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:09 pm

peeker643 wrote:The government is failing, erego it's not too big? You better be careful with that thought before the dog-walkers adopt it and run with it. ;-) ;) :wink:



The tebowing thought? I am going to offer my dog walker an additional $5 to do it.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:12 pm

Orenthal wrote:Has he commented on aspects of you life yet?


Who Peeks? :guns:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:17 pm

JB, Peeks, difference?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:20 pm

One is a staunch liberal and the other only votes for conservatives but both tell us we are wing nuts. Nah, I guess there isnt a difference.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:26 pm

Orenthal wrote:JB, Peeks, difference?


JB can't pull off the bald look. His head isn't as fabulously shaped and proportioned as mine.

But if JB and I, at two very different points on the political spectrum, both think you're wing nuts (and I believe we do, though I tend to believe philosophies change a bit as you get older, have kids, etc) then I'm sure that it's me and JB who are bat shit crazy.

No way it's you and no way it's true. ;-) ;) :wink:

So you have that in your pocket.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:30 pm

peeker643 wrote:I'm sure that it's me and JB who are bat shit crazy.


+1 but it is JB and me
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:32 pm

Ziner wrote:
peeker643 wrote:I'm sure that it's me and JB who are bat shit crazy.


+1 but it is JB and me


JB and you?

Okay. JB and Ziner are bat shit crazy. OJ and I are fine.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:37 pm

:thumb up: :thumb up:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:43 pm

Agree on all counts. Just not sure with which post.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:46 pm

Orenthal wrote:Agree on all counts. Just not sure with which post.


We're building bridges in here.

Making me teary-eyed even if you're non-committal in which posts you agree with. But I think we can all agree JB is bat shit crazy. Let's start there.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:49 pm

Where the hell is that dude? I kinda miss his smug ass. I seriously wonder if he has been hanging out at Occupy Youngstown this entire time.

Here we are building bridges and he is no where to be found.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:52 pm

Ziner wrote:Where the hell is that dude? I kinda miss his smug ass. I seriously wonder if he has been hanging out at Occupy Youngstown this entire time.

Here we are building bridges and he is no where to be found.


New house, new wife, new job, kids are older and in high schoolish years. Just too many things going on and, bottom line, message boards are dying anyway.

Just thank God you still have me. ;-) ;) :wink: :lmfao:
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby Ziner » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:24 am

I hate the baseball forum so I don't go in there, but damn if this game isn't amazingly awesome.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:50 am

peeker643 wrote:
Orenthal wrote:JB, Peeks, difference?


JB can't pull off the bald look. His head isn't as fabulously shaped and proportioned as mine.

But if JB and I, at two very different points on the political spectrum, both think you're wing nuts (and I believe we do, though I tend to believe philosophies change a bit as you get older, have kids, etc) then I'm sure that it's me and JB who are bat shit crazy.

No way it's you and no way it's true. ;-) ;) :wink:

So you have that in your pocket.

Trust me dude you aren't pulling off the bald look either.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:16 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I know.

These protesters are speaking English, but some can only hear Republicanese.

The basic Big 3 are;

1) They want to stop people from buying our politicians for their own gain and at the expense of the rest of us. (which everybody with a fucking brain should want).

2) They want tighter regulations on Wall Street so we don't have another derivative blow up.

3) They want a tax increase on the top 1%.


Again I'm not against this movement, and truth be told I hope something comes to fruition b/c of it b/c something needs to change. However it cannot be over stated that OWS' 3 basic concerns are not unprecedented reasons for objection. Many many people have brought attention to these 3 issues in the past decade particularly since the economy took a dump. Now the biggest difference is people made a physical presence and have taken residence on public property.

...and yes I do, but that is nothing compared to the Augmented Hyper Reality Glove I'm going to get my hands on.

peeker643 wrote:Reduce the aid/loans available and the prices for colleges will fall. Doesn't mean you can't increase the requirements to get in.

And yes, the trades are a legit way to go. So is the military. Both were, a generation ago, looked down upon as options for those not equipped for/interested in college. Guys I grew up with in the trades have caught and surpassed me in terms of earning potential. Others far eclipsed what I can make by combining the trades with an entrepreneurial ability and their own business.

This has already been discussed. We're now talking in circles, screaming about who's right and why everyone else is stupid.

Some are anyway. Others are just googling pics and cherry picking their side's partisan papers for articles.

Status quo. Fucking boring. Same old, same old.

I totally agree with everyone else that college isn’t for everyone, nor should it be, that trades and entreprenuerial approach is sorely lacking, however I’m not so sure a free college education is a legit conversation unless we get deeper into the discussion of just how much education is an inherent right. At some point all birds have to fly on their own ya know.

But this whole movement in general is meh and vague, maybe be design. Deixis might be a better word, make sure you look that up Peeker and splain it to CDT. Not to pick on this movement b/c some others are as well but this isn’t like a protest over abortion or gay rights, this is a much broader scream session (frankly I’m OK with that to some degree) and similar to other modern day protests there is a cornucopia of concerns, and for a reason. It’s no different than why we fish with nets. So the more broad the list of issues to protest, the more people we can draw into the movement itself. But that doesn’t equate to answers, it just equates to a volume level. Still no answers from the leaderless movement and (correct me if I’m wrong) no signs of intentionally bringing these concerns through our political process. There’s a problem with that, there is no reason for the politicians to take serious notice, really what is the pressing reason for the status quo representative to stop and say whoa whoa whoa. Anybody can dress up like Gumby in front of a Verizon Wireless and get attention, but that usually isn’t going to get someone’s ear.

All part of the reason you get the status quo back n forth.

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Ziner wrote:Did you notice when OJ did a pretty stellar job of deconstructing it? Would you like to get in to another discussion of a millionaires tax or free college for all? snooooooooore.


"I don't want higher taxes, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" = stellar deconstruction?

As I tried to get across in my earlier post, I don't think a millionaire's tax would be a good idea if it is what it sounds like--a wealth tax. It's been demonstrated in Europe that those don't work, and most Euro nations have either abandoned theirs completely (like Germany & Spain) or scaled theirs back considerably (like France). If it's something other than a wealth tax, I shrug! until I know what exactly that is.

Depending on how it's set up, free college sounds perfectly reasonable to me. It's simply a matter of whether or not Americans as a whole sufficiently value college education to justify the higher taxes. (I'm pretty sure I know your & OJ's feelings) Germany has, IMO, an improve-uponable model of Free College For Lots of People that I'd very much like to see us follow. Significantly less Germans go to college, which I'd be fine with in the US. My understanding is also that significantly more Germans are steered towards a less stigmatized vocational path than in the US, which again I'd be fine with. And college graduates not being burdened with outrageous amounts of debt is something I'd be very fine with.

Nice of you to come bounding over.

As I mentioned to BMP above I think this free college education point requires a deeper discussion but before I put words in your mouth it sounds like you are all for it? For the sake of discussion I’ll assume yes and apoligize later.

Exactly where do we draw the line on this free education, does it extend to furthering education outside of college (trade schools for EG)? How about a McNea Fire School? Plus is there a line we draw at how high a level of education we deem a right? I’d like to think basic education through HS is, but is college, if so why?

In the middle of a money crisis (amid an environment of entitlements) I’m just not seeing the sense in creating a situation that could far out reach our ability to control at this point. I mean basic Seasame Street math shows this to be a dangerous move.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

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Orenthal wrote:Uh, yea I disagree with their message and view for this country. They want more socialism (debating this is ::doh:: ), I say that socialism and its buddy corporatism is what creates these problems. Capitalism will always have winners and losers, but the level of socialism OWS advocates is a loser everywhere its been tried. IMO, capitalism with a few saftey nets is more then reasonable. To error to either extreme, Tea Party or OWS is foolish, but its obvious which side I lean closer too.


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And I think that's a lot of what the people shitting in the park are complaining about.

Someone just needs to explain to them that it's CAPITALISM, it's a well oiled machine, and they are lucky to have it.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:33 am

mo I understand the risk of NOT giving those fucktards free money with absolutely no consequence or accountability but wouldn't you somewhat agree that we've simply programmed ourselves to believe that theory in the past 20 years? I mean we don't let people fail for the purpose of forcing them to get their shit straight so we don't really know if that approach is the wrong way to go.

Now the people are too big to fail? I don't buy it.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

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FUDU wrote:As I mentioned to BMP above I think this free college education point requires a deeper discussion but before I put words in your mouth it sounds like you are all for it?


As one part of a comprehensive educational reform, absolutely.

Other parts would include:

-Substantially beefing up vocational opportunities for HSers. I'd guess an awful lot of 2 year degrees could replace a HSer's Jr & Sr years without there being any issue. (And yes, as a part of a HS education, I think this should be free)

-Govt regulation of minimum education requirements for specialized degrees. Law school is kind of a racket. For no apparent reason beyond giving PT schools more years worth of tuition, PT programs are transitioning to DPT programs. It would surprise me if this wasn't a problem in many other fields as well. There should be some oversight of this exploitative BS.

-Some form of tuition increase restraints imposed upon state universities. If some already exist, make them more restrainteded.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:52 am

HoodooMan wrote:
FUDU wrote:As I mentioned to BMP above I think this free college education point requires a deeper discussion but before I put words in your mouth it sounds like you are all for it?


As one part of a comprehensive educational reform, absolutely.

Other parts would include:

-Substantially beefing up vocational opportunities for HSers. I'd guess an awful lot of 2 year degrees could replace a HSer's Jr & Sr years without there being any issue. (And yes, as a part of a HS education, I think this should be free)

-Govt regulation of minimum education requirements for specialized degrees. Law school is kind of a racket. For no apparent reason beyond giving PT schools more years worth of tuition, PT programs are transitioning to DPT programs. It would surprise me if this wasn't a problem in many other fields as well. There should be some oversight of this exploitative BS.

-Some form of tuition increase restraints imposed upon state universities. If some already exist, make them more restrainteded.


All reasonable IMO, now the follow up, as always, where is the money going to come from? I agree most with your idea of HS and vocational approach to the last year or two, I've stated that for years. We simply don't prepare HSers for real world choices right out of the gate. Few 18yo have the slightest clue on what they want to do for a living. I don't know how realistic it would be but I'd like to see a merit reimbursement system for higher education. This is what this program costs, if you achieve X standard of success at the end of the program you get Y worth of discount.

Also, do you feel higher education is a right?
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