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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:59 am

Say it is 15. That is $1800/year for someone making 12K. It is $75,000/year for someone making 500K.


That leaves the person with $10,200. The other person has $325,000..... they ain't exactly hurting.


still fail to see how someone making 12K/year is the driving force behind our economy.


Really?

It's because they're spending all their money IN the economy.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

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What truck costs 20K? Ford Ranger?

Always pictured you as more of a Prius guy


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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:31 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
still fail to see how someone making 12K/year is the driving force behind our economy.


Really?

It's because they're spending all their money IN the economy.


Unless a rich person puts all their money under their mattress all of their money in the economy as well.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:41 am

Ziner wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
still fail to see how someone making 12K/year is the driving force behind our economy.


Really?

It's because they're spending all their money IN the economy.


Unless a rich person puts all their money under their mattress all of their money in the economy as well.


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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:05 pm

What is so funny? How do you suppose capital for businesses is raised? Is it all those people with 12K in income buying stocks and bonds to fund business growth?
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:11 pm

It was the way you put it.

I had an image of Bill Gates sleeping with his $10 Billion stuffed under a mattress.

Are all the rich folks shopping at Walmart and Krogers?
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:16 pm

That'd be a pretty uncomfortable bed. If I were rich I would have a money bin like Scrooge McDuck so you liberals couldnt steal it all. I'd just need to figure out how the hell he was able to swim in it.

The rich folks are shopping at Whole Foods and Neiman Marcus overpaying for goods and pumping money in to the economy, I am not sure I understand the point.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:22 pm

I'm the 99% carries the economy. If we don't spend, shit is ovah. And i'd bet we buy waaaaaay more stocks and bonds too, so that's all us as well.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:34 pm

Don't really have the energy to look that up, but you may be correct, however I would venture to guess that the top 10% the people Obama proclaims as rich for earning 200K a year is the majority owner of stock in this country. Surely the poor fuel the economy as well, I wasn't ever arguing that, just stating that pretty much everyone is apart of the economy with their money/income/wealth unless they put it under their mattress.

The whole point breaks down to I don't want the government taxing any more of my income so why should I want them to tax other people's? I can certainly afford more in taxes but what do I get out of giving them more money? It's really simple, I prefer to keep my money even if that means less government services. And yes I still want roads and parks.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:37 pm

I was interested and googled. Who knows how credible this is, but if you go to Table 2 and Figure 2A Essentially the top 1% owns 60% of securities, top 10% over 90%.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesameri ... ealth.html
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:26 pm

The whole point breaks down to I don't want the government taxing any more of my income so why should I want them to tax other people's?


Why not?

I ain't asking for the moon. 40%-45% on the top 1%. That's all.

Wasn't it 50% under Reagan until '88?

And let's legalize pot finally and tax that shit. Multi-billion dollar industry that we make 0.0 dollars on..... actually we end up paying to lock up people for having it. Finance the fucking deficit with that dough.

We also need to regulate this fucking derivative nonsense... They're still playing that game, if they fuck us over again the only bailout they should get is a bullet.

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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:30 pm

Michael Moore recently had a diatribe about how the Forbes 400 own the same amount of total wealth as the bottom 50%. It is historically like 3% I'd like to know the % of tax each is burdened with seeing as the bottom 50% would have so many more people to spread their % across.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:35 pm

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/sta ... e-wealth-/

Related but from March. Rated as true.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:38 pm

Where I gots mines...
http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/03/07/ ... americans/

Historically its almost a perfect relation. I don't find this surprising at all because if you hit reset and evenly distributed all wealth, it would only be a matter of time till this was true again. Don't fight nature.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:42 pm

Even if you take the WSJ one, it's still mind boggling.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Ziner » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:44 pm

Think of it this way. Many Americans make a good income, have some savings and investments, and own a nice home; they also have debt, for a mortgage, credit cards and other bills. Some people would still have a pretty healthy bottom line. But many -- including those who lost a job and their home in the recession -- have a negative net worth. So that drags down the total net worth for the poorer half of U.S. households that Moore cited.


I found this interesting. My wife and I are certainly above the bottom 50% in household income but our net wealth is severely negative after a house, car loans, and student loans are taken in to effect. I am perfectly well off but would drag down the wealth number.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:45 pm

Honestly, what are you really going to do with a billion dollars? How many houses and cars and jets can you buy?
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:48 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Even if you take the WSJ one, it's still mind boggling.



Agree, all it really does is offer a launching point for ideological debates that will change maybe 1 or 2 minds.

Best study would be trying to comapre this to certain historical periods, and versus different economic systems. I wonder how 1970 USSR compared...???
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:50 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Honestly, what are you really going to do with a billion dollars? How many houses and cars and jets can you buy?


What does a bank do with the massive amount of money on deposit? Gets back to the mattress point. That idle "billion" does more for the economy then spreading it across some vast number of "the poor". Or at least that would be my guess since I am a heartless fat cat.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:51 pm

The highest % had to be the late 1800's with guys like Carnegie and Rockefeller, plus the other "titans of industry". The rest of the country still being primarily rural too.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:56 pm

Orenthal wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Honestly, what are you really going to do with a billion dollars? How many houses and cars and jets can you buy?


What does a bank do with the massive amount of money on deposit? Gets back to the mattress point. That idle "billion" does more for the economy then spreading it across some vast number of "the poor". Or at least that would be my guess since I am a heartless fat cat.



No no, I meant more of a how long would it take to spend it, how many generations?
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:13 pm

All I want is a solid gold handled cattle prod.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:16 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
Orenthal wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Honestly, what are you really going to do with a billion dollars? How many houses and cars and jets can you buy?


What does a bank do with the massive amount of money on deposit? Gets back to the mattress point. That idle "billion" does more for the economy then spreading it across some vast number of "the poor". Or at least that would be my guess since I am a heartless fat cat.



No no, I meant more of a how long would it take to spend it, how many generations?


I see, one of those 1800's fat cats (not one of the SOOPER RICH), Judge Thomas Mellon thought it usually takes the 3rd generation after the creation to extinguish wealth. Usual reason of sloth was cited.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:15 am

Can someone please decipher what the hell Herman Cain is saying in this clip? Ellis Henican's face at :55 in is PRICELESS.

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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby JJN » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:01 am

Thinking that Cain is a front runner for a presidential bid blows my mind.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby exiledbuckeye » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:37 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Elect me, i'll get shit done. I'll bitchslap a senator right on the floor of the congress.


You've got my vote. CDT 2012!
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Ziner » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:58 am

That Herman Cain video is painful. What the hell is he doing. It isn't a very difficult question or answer. I am not even sure what is actual position is and damn do I hate that question. It has been settled, the fact that the GOP uses it as a litmus test is stupid. There is currently a pretty conservative court and it has yet to be over ruled. I feel pretty confident in saying that Roe v. Wade will not be reversed, nor should it be.

It is frustrating how uninspiring the GOP field is, this country deserves better. I am still hoping that a surprise performance in NH can propel Huntsman in to the discussion.

Oh and I would vote for CDT to, but I would expect to have a cabinet position.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:48 am

IMO guy betrays he real feelings to push a more rigid GOP stance. He always sems to answer questions honestly at first then, after he gets back to advisors changes his mind, and the cover-up is always worse. On previous interviews he had said he saw some exceptions for abortions (rape, incest) then he goes hardline. On the Israeli prisoner swap he said he may think along those lines, then has to come out all "no negotiation" when Bach Man starts hammering him.

The lack of political expierence is the double edged sword, obviously Romney is the more polished canidate, and thankfully the only other guy with a realistic shot. I'm glad Cain got front runner status, and while I do like some of his positions, the vetting is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO important.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby JJN » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:45 pm

Romney is a waffly ass too. I actually kinda like former-Gov. Romney. Presidential candidate Romney reminds me too much of McCain '08, someone who compromised what made them electable to me to win points with the GOP base.

Huntsman intrigues me. Kinda has that Ron Paul-ish appeal, but without seeming unhinged.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:02 pm

I also seem like one of the few conservative GOP'ers that likes Huntsman. Most of his plans make logical sense, logic as opposed to orthodoxy. I'm looking for a guy that fits my views 75% of the time, not by forcing guy to 100% agreement.

Cain rolled out some modifications, or made some aspects of 999 more clear, and one was that anyone at or below poverty the plan becomes 9-0-9, that is in addition to the "opportunity zones". Keep vetting.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:01 pm

Romney follows no sports figures on Twitter.

What does this matter you ask?

Well OJ's cuddle buddy follows on sports figure.

Who you ask?

Nascar.

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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:28 pm

Ziner wrote:That Herman Cain video is painful. What the hell is he doing. It isn't a very difficult question or answer. I am not even sure what is actual position is and damn do I hate that question. It has been settled, the fact that the GOP uses it as a litmus test is stupid. There is currently a pretty conservative court and it has yet to be over ruled. I feel pretty confident in saying that Roe v. Wade will not be reversed, nor should it be.

It is frustrating how uninspiring the GOP field is, this country deserves better. I am still hoping that a surprise performance in NH can propel Huntsman in to the discussion.

Oh and I would vote for CDT to, but I would expect to have a cabinet position.


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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:04 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Romney follows no sports figures on Twitter.

What does this matter you ask?

Well OJ's cuddle buddy follows on sports figure.

Who you ask?

Nascar.

Fuck Herman Cain.


Yeah, that is pretty much unacceptable.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:17 am

How shitty is for you righties knowing you're going to have to vote for Mitt Romney? A flip flopping douche who doesn't give a SHIT about you.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:27 am

How does it feel having to vote for Obama.

He's black dude! (that isn't racist, its tribalism)
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:28 am

Romney not giving a fuck about the right is my last hope, to be honest.

And Obama did far more good for this country than GWB. For that I give him a fistbump.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:41 am

Orenthal wrote:How does it feel having to vote for Obama.

He's black dude! (that isn't racist, its tribalism)



If you could read, which I know is assuming a lot, you would see i'm not voting for that fucking pussy.

Voting for anyone in 2012 is for shitbrained losers who enjoy being forced into a 2 party oligarchy. 2 sides 1 coin.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:52 am

I knew you disliked him, but I didn't know you weren't voting at all. Well, that sucks, no staked canidate makes me have to resort to off topic name calling.

Do us a favor and fail to vote on Issue 2. Fucking commie.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:59 am

There's just no candidate I can support. Obama has sold the people who got him elected out at every turn. I voted for Kerry in 2004 just because he wasn't Bush, which is a shitty reason to vote for someone. I think Republicans are in the same boat this time. From what i gather most true conservatives can't stand Romney, but he's probably the only guy who can beat Obama in 2012.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:05 am

In all seriousness I have 0 problem with Romney and give Ohio's primary is so late it won't matter I'll probably be voting for him come November.

Cain has some ideas I like, but being such a political newb shows in his constant "mis-speaking", Romney is a compromise but he is tested. It isn't likely, but god help us if Perry gets the nod. I'll be voting Obama.
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Re: Republican Presidential Candidates

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http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-in ... ead,26389/

New York, NY (October 17, 2011) - In a dramatic turn for the 2012 presidential race, comatose former congressman John Clarkson (http://www.facebook.com/JohnClarkson2012) threw his hat into the ring for the Republican nomination today, and early polls show the immobile, bedridden candidate already ahead of his competition.

Clarkson, who has been in a coma since 2003, has a four-point lead over previous frontrunner Mitt Romney among likely voters according to an Onion News Network poll. Surveys indicate that while Clarkson cannot move or speak, many see him as "more likable" than Romney. "Of all the Republican candidates, [Clarkson] is the one I'd most like to have a beer with, if beer can go in his IV," systems analyst Paul Lancaster of Scranton, PA told Onion News Network reporters.

Clarkson's entry into the race may also put a damper on the growing momentum of Herman Cain's campaign. Polls show 54% of voters see Cain's proposed "9-9-9" tax plan as "making less sense" than Clarkson's plan of lolling his head to the side and breathing shallowly.

The poll also finds a majority of voters see Clarkson as having "better stage presence" than Texas governor Rick Perry. Clarkson, who is typically strapped to a gurney and wheeled onstage by a team of nurses for campaign rallies, was said to "look more engaged" during public appearances than Rick Perry by most of those surveyed. "Clarkson's eyes sometimes appear to follow light or movement," teacher Sara Kramer of Ventura, CA told pollsters. "But when you look at Rick Perry, and you can just tell there is no brain activity at all going on there."

Ron Paul, while still maintaining a base of hard-core supporters, also polls behind Clarkson. "I like Ron Paul's policy ideas," said mechanic Michael Owens of Glassboro, NJ, "But I want to vote for someone who realistically has a better shot at actually winning, like this guy in the coma."

Clarkson is also polling far ahead of candidates Michelle Bachmann, whom most voters ruled out for being "utterly batshit nuts", and Newt Gingrich, whom a majority of voters did not remember was still in the race.


Can we be sure the Onion isn't a real news org? They get frighteningly close to the truth a damned lot.

I'm actually scared of a Perry admin. I hope Santorum dies in a fire, I hate that fuck.

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Amen. All I wanted out of Obama was for him to be good on civil liberties. He failed miserably at that. Glad he got bin Laden, glad he is pulling out of Iraq, glad he killed DADT, but outside of that he can blow me. He ran as not-Bush, but damned if he isn't just as bad in a ton of ways.
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^and e0 just committed suicide.
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Orenthal wrote:^and e0 just committed suicide.


My link is better, because it's not from NPR.... they still think Jazz is relevant for fuck's sake. Jazz music is 4 people playing different songs at the same time.

Plus I rarely click on his links. It's generally an awful experience.
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I'm almost speechless.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:05 pm

Well that's a first.

I win.

USA USA USA USA USA USA UDA USA UAS USA!@!#!!@#!!@@!#!@##$$#$$
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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Well that's a first.

I win.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... on_LEADTop

A traditional "static" analysis that ignores the response of taxpayers to lower tax rates indicated that those combined tax changes would leave total revenue unchanged at each income level. But the actual experience after 1986 showed an enormous rise in the taxes paid, particularly by those who experienced the greatest reductions in marginal tax rates.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:10 pm

Toure is a giant cocksucker.

I'm not going to argue that.

It's just a matter of time till a fellow black person beats him silly and makes him shit up.

I'm not going to argue that.

That said, I almost fell out of my chair today when I saw that he tweeted that Cain was the Black Palin in response to Nate Silver asking if there has ever been a candidate w/ a legit chance of winning a nomination that was so fundamenetally flawed.

BLACK PALIN

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This is a real Herman Cain ad. Can some explain what this fucking means, and why anyone would consider this guy a real candidate?


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