by jb » Mon May 02, 2011 1:42 pm
hey Peeks,interetsing question for discussion, and saves a thread we should all be able to agree upon from further diversion.
I have two answers for you. One is from my heart and as idealist, and the other is from my head as a realist.
Heart recalls the words of Lao Tzu from the Tao or maybe it was Sun Tsu who wrote, "conduct your victory as if it were a funeral." What i think he meant was that war is always a somber course of human events and in vistory we recall those who gave the full measure with no thoughts of hsittaion. We remember the inncocent caught in the cross fire both here and there. This is not for men to crow and chant and thump chests. It is also about a nation coming together through three administrations working tirelessly for justice, none more important than the other. All were staffed by patriots trying to do their level best as they were given the ability to do "best". It is childish and petty and beneith everyone to compare, contrast, and politicize.
Head says, "Cacka, yous muthafuckin' craczie".
I was mesmerized last night, Tuned in here this morning and fist thing I read is Adsam and his GOP based worldview giving Obama shit. I watched the same damn address. watched it again after Adam's post. What i saw was a man who used the words "we" and "we're" in an eloquent, respectful and moving address at least 6 time sthe ferquency of "I", a promoun used ONLY in one psseg to explain the deceiison details of the operation. Obama was practically like an acedemy award recipient, thanking and acknowlging everyone but himself. And he gets shit on.
I know it would happen. I just had my money on FUDU and not Adam. It's fucking ridiculous. And so to an extent I see this thread by you as a means to head off not only the subject of credit where due, but to in fact invalidate even the concept that this administration did anything right to being bid laden to ultimate jutice. And so that my friend, is a load of feces.
W got dressed up and landed in a god damn jump suit on a carrier about 12 hours after young men and women were dying in a contrived war. Where was your post then, Brian? Where was your line of scantity and apolotical appeals then? Shit, where was it for Pat Tillman when he was a manufactured hero out of his victimhood?
Here are a few tangible reasons why this administration deserves credit for bin laden coming to justice.
1. Obama maintained a bi-partisan foreign affiars team both inside and outside of the party. His wisdom to appeal to Robert Gates to stay on instead of replacing him with an ideolougue (um, like Rumsfeld) , and Gates patriotism is a model overlooked by any wing nut GOP gas bag. It shows dividends. Within his party, Leon panetta is a FOB guy. By all accounts he's a real bitch to work for and with. He names his bitter primary rival SofS. He could have ignored them all, cleaned house, and names cronies and ideologues, much like W did when he dismissed Rich Clarke and others who tried to warn of impending danger. He didn't. he kept the best people and brought in his political enemies becasue he was humble enough to know he needed the help due to inexperience. He then invested forces and focus in Afghnistan much to the chagrin of the left, who is probably greeting this day with a yawn except for their own dooshbags.
2 . It is clear by now that Pakistan was clueless this operation was going down. Good. They have played us for fools now for a decade. the decisin to give them the middle finger on this, when this compound was what, a mile from a major pakistani base, could not have been a low level decision. It almost certainly had to be made by the CinC of minimally his appointed cabinet.
3 . The order to send in a very risky ground mision. Don't take this for granted. Bubba sent in cruise missels. carter lost the election when Marcinko's team experienced a clusterfuck. Took some balls to call this shot whether you think so or not. If that compund had more al qaeda there and they responded or the local armed population got involved, you could have EASILY had another Mogadishu.
barry done good. This is NOT about him, but don't mitigt ethat this is a positive check in the box by anyone who is fair. This administration, and very likely this POTUS individually, made some good decisions and deserve the thanks of a grateful nation, as do the sailors and civilians who worked on this tactically last night and for a year in planning.
Lastly, as fr as partisanship an dthis milestone, you can best believe these too be true either now or future forward.
Every and all GOP POTUS candidate will to some degree haul out the security card to play in 2012. If you ere in the Dems shows, woudn't you hold this out as exhibit A in rebuttle, knowing what we know right now?
Soon you will hear some dooshbag, maybe bach,man, maybe Imhoff, maybe Palin, maybe Rush or Beck, question why a ) bin :Laden was killed and not captured and b ) why he was buried at sea. The next logical step will be to creat a conspiracy theory that ll this was manufactured tro take away from producing a birth certificate and the deficit. As sure as I'm sitting here, this will be politicized from the right wing nuts about a hundred more times than from the left.
So fuck it Brian. As ab observer, the left deserves to crow on this day.
America done good. The Seals done good. The inteliigence apparatus done good. And the top decisions, including those from the CinC, mneans they done good. To try to get out preemptively to take away that feather in th ecap, or notch in the belt, or whatever; to me, that is what reeks of partisanship if we live in political reality.
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jb on Mon May 02, 2011 1:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
and had to trun it back to CNN 2 minutes later because Fox had their D-team assembled and were efing up the sound and video as well as the anchor stumbling all over himself.
