Spill, baby, spill

[Cerebral_DownTime]

lol.

I know, right?

What Barry should do is run off to his ranch.

Now watch me hit this drive.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Bush showed up at Arlington on Memorial Day and recognized the Vets of D-Day....

Unlike Hussein Obama, Community Organizer

[Cerebral_DownTime]

I don't agree with it, but he's not the first POTUS to do so. Nor will he be the last.

[exiledbuckeye]

Ah yes, let BP die. Then even more of the cleanup costs and burden can fall on the taxpayers.

Great plan!

[Ziner]

Ah yes, let BP die. Then even more of the cleanup costs and burden can fall on the taxpayers.

Great plan!

Not to mention their 100,000 of employees. No idea how many in the US, but I know numerous people that work there. Say it is half, 50,000, on the gov't dime and no longer paying taxes ain't a genius move.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

We'll be paying for the clean up anyway you slice it.

If the money comes directly out of their pockets they'll get it back by fixing gas prices with help from the rest of the oil cartels.

We'll get the buck passed to us.

[FUDU]

BP should suffer appropriate justified legal ramifications and what ever free market force punishment we deem, IOW if BP were to go belly up due to this b/c we the consumers never touched a BP product again, then so be it. Why does survival of the fittest never have to apply big business?

Small & medium size businesses go under b/c of mistakes they make, the PR kills them or the free market takes them down, a giant should be prone to the exact same risk.

ETA: I've also heard the argument that we can't be too tough on BP b/c of future implications on big business coming to the US, particularly oil, LMAO, the US is the Field of Dreams when it comes to consumption, especially gas and oil, a company would have to be run by morons not to set up shop in the US.

[Ziner]

We'll be paying for the clean up anyway you slice it.

If the money comes directly out of their pockets they'll get it back by fixing gas prices with help from the rest of the oil cartels.

We'll get the buck passed to us.

Only if Harry Reid has his way to tax all the oil companies for the cleanup... If BP is the only one punished for this they would have no (legit) way to raise prices in order to recoup the costs.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

I don't think they worry about having a legit reason.

[exiledbuckeye]

BP should suffer appropriate justified legal ramifications and what ever free market force punishment we deem, IOW if BP were to go belly up due to this b/c we the consumers never touched a BP product again, then so be it. Why does survival of the fittest never have to apply big business?

Small & medium size businesses go under b/c of mistakes they make, the PR kills them or the free market takes them down, a giant should be prone to the exact same risk.

ETA: I've also heard the argument that we can't be too tough on BP b/c of future implications on big business coming to the US, particularly oil, LMAO, the US is the Field of Dreams when it comes to consumption, especially gas and oil, a company would have to be run by morons not to set up shop in the US.

I actually agree. If BP fails on its own accord because if their mistakes, so be it. That's what happens when you fuck up. I just don't think that consumers or the government should make it a priority to "Kill BP" just for the hell of it.

[FUDU]

The government kill BP just for the hell of it, no I agree bad move, just punish them accordingly. But consumers I would have zero problem with killing BP, even just for the hell of it. Fuck BP in terms of what we the consumer owe them in terms of loyalty or business. Gasoline has been manipulated to the point that there are only two things more important than it in this country, water & air.

[Ziner]

Genius. What was I just saying?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100608/ap_ ... ss_taxes_1

WASHINGTON – Senate Democrats are moving to quintuple the tax that oil companies pay into an oil spill liability fund.

The move would raise $15 billion over the coming decade as Congress seeks to shore up the fund in the wake of the catastrophic spill in the Gulf of Mexico. But it's also being used to ease a tax hike passed by the House on investment fund managers.

The new legislation would raise the tax on oil produced offshore from 8 cents to 41 cents per barrel. That's nine cents higher than legislation that passed the House last month.

The tax changes are being made as the Senate again takes up grab-bag legislation extending unemployment benefits and a variety of expired tax breaks enjoyed by both individuals and businesses.

[exiledbuckeye]

The government kill BP just for the hell of it, no I agree bad move, just punish them accordingly. But consumers I would have zero problem with killing BP, even just for the hell of it. Fuck BP in terms of what we the consumer owe them in terms of loyalty or business. Gasoline has been manipulated to the point that there are only two things more important than it in this country, water & air.

Not saying we owe BP anything, the opposite exactly. Just looking at the bottom line for consumers as taxpayers. At least right now BP makes $45 million a day in profits, they can use that to clean up their mess. Better than another government bailout.

[jb]

LOFL at anyone who gives a rats fucking ass what Alec "I'm moving to France" Baldwin has to say about ....well, anything in the whole fucking wide wide world

...esp jb when he's off his meds. Dude, what's next? Myley Cyrus' take on mental health issues?

FTR, I'm all for letting BP die. Hell, if I was prez I'd declare war on Britain and confiscate BP as a spoils of war

The problem as I see it is that they are still trying to save the well and not stop the muther fucking leak

May they be waterboarded with oil and burn in fucking Hell

Give a me a box of sryinges and I'll main line all those pigs with their own fucking oil

...and whats with this "Barry" bullshit?

Barry is what his name used to be before he became a Muslum.

This is like calling Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Lew Alcindor

His name now is Barrack Hussein Obama and he is one usless mother fucking community fucking organizer spending more time having parties and group orgies with fags like Paul McCartney

A pathetic, naive, no balls son of a foreigner getting a free pass by morons blaming everything but WWII on Bush

Barry?

LMMFAO

You mean LeLo, not Mylie.

And Barry is Christian. How many more times does he have to swaer on the bible for you. Oh wait, he owes you nopthing in that regard.

But he is in The original tag team "Whomp There it Is" video at 1:02.

[FUDU]

I could care less what Alex Baldwin thinks about most stuff, but man was that great when he called his daughter a spoiled little pig.

[peeker643]

Stop yelling. All of you.

This amused me. And yeah, I stole it from a Facebook friend who snapped it while driving her daughter to a volleyball tournament.

Doesn't make me gay.

Not sure why I even brought that up. But still:

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Stop yelling. All of you.

Who the fuck is yelling? I'm not yelling. Don't come in here with your patronzing comedy pictures (although they are quite funny). This forum is fo serious discussion, like "who would you rather bang, "Meg Ryan or Nolan Ryan?", " would you rather be killed by an anaconda or a lion?".

[peeker643]

Stop yelling. All of you.

Who the fuck is yelling? I'm not yelling. Don't come in here with your patronzing comedy pictures (although they are quite funny). This forum is fo serious discussion, like "who would you rather bang, "Meg Ryan or Nolan Ryan?", " would you rather be killed by an anaconda or a lion?".

i guess if I have to choose I'd bang the anaconda and kill Meg Ryan.

Did I do that right?

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Stop yelling. All of you.

Who the fuck is yelling? I'm not yelling. Don't come in here with your patronzing comedy pictures (although they are quite funny). This forum is fo serious discussion, like "who would you rather bang, "Meg Ryan or Nolan Ryan?", " would you rather be killed by an anaconda or a lion?".

i guess if I have to choose I'd bang the anaconda and kill Meg Ryan.

Did I do that right?

Yes.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Ah yes, let BP die. Then even more of the cleanup costs and burden can fall on the taxpayers.

Great plan!

Not to mention their 100,000 of employees. No idea how many in the US, but I know numerous people that work there. Say it is half, 50,000, on the gov't dime and no longer paying taxes ain't a genius move.

Yeah, shame on me for caring more about the environment, shrimp & crab cakes and the tourism industry...

Nationalize. Confiscate their cash and assets then give those 50,000 a bucket, mop and sponge and pay them $10 hr to clean up THEIR! mess with their own money

I couldn't care less about the 50K on the BP dime just like I couldn't give a rats ass if GM bellied up and all those UAW lemmings became burger flippers

The least significant factor in this whole scnerio is the BP payroll

[Orenthal]

Genius. What was I just saying?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100608/ap_ ... ss_taxes_1

WASHINGTON – Senate Democrats are moving to quintuple the tax that oil companies pay into an oil spill liability fund.

The move would raise $15 billion over the coming decade as Congress seeks to shore up the fund in the wake of the catastrophic spill in the Gulf of Mexico. But it's also being used to ease a tax hike passed by the House on investment fund managers.

The new legislation would raise the tax on oil produced offshore from 8 cents to 41 cents per barrel. That's nine cents higher than legislation that passed the House last month.

The tax changes are being made as the Senate again takes up grab-bag legislation extending unemployment benefits and a variety of expired tax breaks enjoyed by both individuals and businesses.

Shore up? What was the bill they just sent BP? 1.5 billion a freaking year is more like exploiting the current situation to get more money for the general fund.

Seems like a great deal more tax then is needed...

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Doesn't me gay.

Yes...yes it does

[Fire Marshall Bill]

LOFL at anyone who gives a rats fucking ass what Alec "I'm moving to France" Baldwin has to say about ....well, anything in the whole fucking wide wide world

...esp jb when he's off his meds. Dude, what's next? Myley Cyrus' take on mental health issues?

FTR, I'm all for letting BP die. Hell, if I was prez I'd declare war on Britain and confiscate BP as a spoils of war

The problem as I see it is that they are still trying to save the well and not stop the muther fucking leak

May they be waterboarded with oil and burn in fucking Hell

Give a me a box of sryinges and I'll main line all those pigs with their own fucking oil

...and whats with this "Barry" bullshit?

Barry is what his name used to be before he became a Muslum.

This is like calling Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Lew Alcindor

His name now is Barrack Hussein Obama and he is one usless mother fucking community fucking organizer spending more time having parties and group orgies with fags like Paul McCartney

A pathetic, naive, no balls son of a foreigner getting a free pass by morons blaming everything but WWII on Bush

Barry?

LMMFAO

You mean LeLo, not Mylie.

And Barry is Christian. How many more times does he have to swaer on the bible for you. Oh wait, he owes you nopthing in that regard.

So why doesn't he change his name to Barry Soweto?

This is real easy...

I don't respect the man. Not one bit.

IMO, he's accomplished nothing and his legacy will be his failure to change America into a socialist state

You can disagree and chastize me for my take but, you'd still be wrong

[Ziner]

http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/

[jb]

http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/

Think. The EPA is soliciting ideas for possible technology solutions to aid in the oil spill response efforts. Submit your idea.

Scary what smart assed ideas our little band of fucktards could come up with. LOL.

The Myrtle beach ads are cold man!

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Can't we just burn it off?

[Ziner]

The Myrtle beach ads are cold man!

HAHA I just saw that. Unreal, but great marketing. Freaking hilarious.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

All smart assed smack cracking bullshitting who gives a rats ass aside, I'm totally dumbfounded as to why this thing can't just be plugged

...and the shark jumped the moon when they called Kevin Costner for his advice 2 weeks ago

[Cerebral_DownTime]

The Ruskies said we should've nuked the well to stop it. Too bad there's that shitty little hang up called "radiation". Next thing you know there will be 20 foot crabs eating fat tourists.

[Ziner]

Next thing you know there will be 20 foot crabs eating fat tourists.

That'd make for the best deadliest catch episode ever.

[StewieG]

Next thing you know there will be 20 foot crabs eating fat tourists.

If it's not gigantic crabs killing fatties, heaping mounds of bacon will. Survival of the fittest.

[jb]

All smart assed smack cracking bullshitting who gives a rats ass aside, I'm totally dumbfounded as to why this thing can't just be plugged

...and the shark jumped the moon when they called Kevin Costner for his advice 2 weeks ago

Guess they didn't have AquaMan on the speed dial? Maybe Mac has his number.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Next thing you know there will be 20 foot crabs eating fat tourists.

That'd make for the best deadliest catch episode ever.

I could live with that...it mite even compell me to watch the program

Lord knows there's an abundance of rolling flesh out there sucking up more than their fair share of oxygen, tilting airplanes and stinking up public toilets

It'd be great...

Gladiator Crabs with fat tourists as bait

[Cerebral_DownTime]

I for one, welcome our new Crustacean overlords.

[jb]

I for one, welcome our new Crustacean overlords.

Mmmmmmmmmmm. Supersized sticks of butter + global warming seas = a turning of the tide. Get me some jaws of life and its chow time for 100's at a time.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Anyone care to re-address shedding tears for BP, their employees and their profit margins?

Yes its copy/paste from obr

"A prominent Houston attorney with a long record of winning settlements from oil companies says he has new evidence suggesting that the Deepwater Horizon's top managers knew of problems with the rig before it exploded last month, causing the worst oil spill in US history. Tony Buzbee, a lawyer representing 15 rig workers and dozens of shrimpers, seafood restaurants, and dock workers, says he has obtained a three-page signed statement from a crew member on the boat that rescued the burning rig's workers. The sailor, who Buzbee refuses to name for fear of costing him his job, was on the ship's bridge when Deepwater Horizon installation manager Jimmy Harrell, a top employee of rig owner Transocean, was speaking with someone in Houston via satellite phone. Buzbee told Mother Jones that, according to this witness account, Harrell was screaming, "Are you ******* happy? Are you ******* happy? The rig's on fire! I told you this was gonna happen."


Whoever was on the other end of the line was apparently trying to calm Harrell down. "I am ******* calm," he went on, according to Buzbee. "You realize the rig is burning?"..........


http://www.theatlantic.com/nat...a-happen/57775/





And this vid from CNN..(summary)
(CNN) -- The morning the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded, a BP executive and a Transocean official argued over how to proceed with the drilling, rig survivors told CNN's Anderson Cooper in an exclusive interview.
The survivors' account paints perhaps the most detailed picture yet of what happened on the deepwater rig -- and the possible causes of the April 20 explosion.

The BP official wanted workers to replace heavy mud, used to keep the well's pressure down, with lighter seawater to help speed a process that was costing an estimated $750,000 a day and was already running five weeks late, rig survivors told CNN.

BP won the argument, said Doug Brown, the rig's chief mechanic. "He basically said, 'Well, this is how it's gonna be.' "

"That's what the big argument was about," added Daniel Barron III.

Shortly after the exchange, chief driller Dewey Revette expressed concern and opposition too, the workers said, and on the drilling floor, they chatted among themselves.

"I don't ever remember doing this," they said, according to Barron.

"I think that's why Dewey was so reluctant to try to do it," Barron said, "because he didn't feel it was the right way to have things done."

Revette was among the 11 workers killed when the rig exploded that night.

In the CNN interviews, the workers described a corporate culture of cutting staff and ignoring warning signs ahead of the blast. They said BP routinely cut corners and pushed ahead despite concerns about safety.

The rig survivors also said it was always understood that you could get fired if you raised safety concerns that might delay drilling. Some co-workers had been fired for speaking out, they said.

It can cost up to $1 million a day to operate a deepwater rig, according to industry experts.

Safety was "almost used as a crutch by the company," Barron said. He said he was once scolded for standing on a bucket on the rig, yet the next day, Transocean ordered a crane to continue operating amid high winds, against its own policies. "It's like they used it against us -- the safety policies -- you know, to their advantage.

"I don't think there was ever a plan set in place, because no one ever thought this was gonna ever happen," he added.....



http://www.cnn.com/video/?/vid...rning.signs.cnn

[Fire Marshall Bill]

More....


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This interesting article shows how BP has been an advocate for government control and regulation for many years. It puts a lie to the notion that they are some sort of free market capitalist.

Some excerpts:

But the Kerry-BP alliance for an energy bill that included a cap-and-trade scheme for greenhouse gases pokes a hole in a favorite claim of President Obama and his allies in the media — that BP’s lobbyists have fought fiercely to be left alone. Lobbying records show that BP is no free-market crusader, but instead a close friend of big government whenever it serves the company’s bottom line.

While BP has resisted some government interventions, it has lobbied for tax hikes, greenhouse gas restraints, the stimulus bill, the Wall Street bailout, and subsidies for oil pipelines, solar panels, natural gas and biofuels.

Now that BP’s oil rig has caused the biggest environmental disaster in American history, the Left is pulling the same bogus trick it did with Enron and AIG: Whenever a company earns universal ire, declare it the poster boy for the free market.

BP was a founding member of the U.S. Climate Action Partnership (USCAP), a lobby dedicated to passing a cap-and-trade bill. As the nation’s largest producer of natural gas, BP saw many ways to profit from climate legislation, notably by persuading Congress to provide subsidies to coal-fired power plants that switched to gas.

Elsewhere in the green arena, BP has lobbied for and profited from subsidies for biofuels and solar energy, two products that cannot break even without government support. Lobbying records show the company backing solar subsidies including federal funding for solar research. The U.S. Export-Import Bank, a federal agency, is currently financing a BP solar energy project in Argentina.

Ex-Im has also put up taxpayer cash to finance construction of the 1,094-mile Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline carrying oil from the Caspian Sea to Ceyhan, Turkey—again, profiting BP.

Lobbying records also show BP lobbying on Obama’s stimulus bill and Bush’s Wall Street bailout. You can guess the oil giant wasn’t in league with the Cato Institute or Ron Paul on those.


http://www.washingtonexaminer....l-95942659.html

[Ziner]

Anyone care to re-address shedding tears for BP, their employees and their profit margins?

No one was shedding tears for BP. I as well as others realize we do not operate in a vacuum and there are repercussions of watching BP go bankrupt. If you dont understand that then you are not worthy of discussing these issues with. I know numerous employees of BP in Ohio who are nothing more but hard workin' folk. While it would make you feel better to watch BP self destruct there are innocent bystanders.

By the way, the only reason BP is lobbying for cap and trade is the same reason that Wal-mart is participating as well. If it is going to happen in the future they want to be a part of the decision making process. This allows them to work in advantages versus their competitors. Then again that would require thought on your end which anyone who has been following you knows isn't your strong suit.

[exiledbuckeye]

Deepwater Horizon/Transocean is not the same company as BP. BP was leasing the rig.

[Ziner]

Charlie Crist just got my support...



with the caption

Gov. Charlie Crist checks a Florida beach for signs of oil

Maybe baby oil...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... react.html

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Why don't we spill something vile on BP's headquarters in the UK?

[jb]

Why don't we spill something vile on BP's headquarters in the UK?

Like an obscene exize tax rate.

[Larvell Blanks]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100618/tv_nm/us_larryking

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – Television talk show personality Larry King will host a two-hour, "two-screen" telethon to raise awareness of what people can do to help victims of the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Sure, let's go to the American public to donate money toweards the clean up and let BP not deal with it. I'm all for getting this cleaned up and getting the people whose livelihood is affected by this disaster but can't Larry and his celebrity pals strong arm BP into donating towards this? I'm sure BP can put up much more coin than the American public can. The sad part is, wildlife and these people most affected will die off before BP is forced to give any dollar amount.

[Orenthal]

This is my opinion only, but if some sort of disaster like this hit, natural or not, I would first do everything in my power to get another job/pay check/get the f outta a hurricanes way. Then I would go after BP, or someone else, looking for $$$. Sick of people looking elsewhere to fix their problems.

This BP situation is legit, don't get me worng, I mean the above in a more macro sense. Just as we now greet all disasters, natural or not, with white flags. We are becoming entitled, dependent, pussies. Sorry, had to let that rant outta my system.

Maybe I just need to watch more baseball, play some more golf, and go yachting.

[Orenthal]

EdgeyJoe double post here, but case in point is the Republican response to their own's apology to BP. Why force the guy to apologize for the apology. If he is out of line the backlash will affect him, and most likely him only. By forcing his hand, by threat of removal of his chair position, they played PR politics and will do nothing to make them NOT look ultra biz friendly. They have to take a somewhat opposite position to balast the enviro/socialist/anti biz Dems.

The Democrats would never do that to their own. How much stupid crap have individual members over their spouted, unchecked?

[Fire Marshall Bill]

I get where you're comming from but, I wouldn't exactly put this in the same list as rebuilding multi million $ homes on sand dunes or waterfront property on the Mississippi either

I know I'd never live down there even if they didn't have hurricanes but I'm thankful for those who do the crabbin' & shrimpin'

Yir right tho...where does the money keep come from?

Sometimes I wonder if we can believe anything we see and hear esp government budgets where everything seems to be rounded off to the highest million.

I mean I just mite start looking into some Bilderberg conspirisy stuff and see what they want me to see

[Orenthal]

Exactly FMB it is why I tried really qualifying the above rant. Like the boy callin' wolf and shiz...

btw that Charlie Crist picture is awesome. What a...

[FUDU]

The past few days I've been thinking about this BP disaster and the Katrina disaster and on the surface cannot help but feel a bit more for the people of the Gulf this time around. Don't get me wrong, Katrina was awful, everyone was to blame from local to state to federal. Including, IMO, many residents that stayed behind despite the warnings not to.

I see the two as different in the respect that while both were natural disasters (to a point) the latter is in part, a large part, due to us tinkering with mother nature, as opposed to Katrina where we had no influence on the severity of the storm itself, only the aftermath by our lack of sensibilities etc... IOW this time around the people of the Gulf had some reason to have legit confidence in "the system" as far as getting things handled in a somewhat timely, proper and ethical manner. So for many or most of them to stick around and see what happens is IMO not a crime, as it could be looked at during the Katrina disaster.

The thing about this that really puts everything into perspective IMO is that every single oil company that does any kind of significant drilling has the exact same plan in place for responding to such an emergency, in some cases verbatim from what I have read. Which makes a major point, we really are not as up to snuff on this stuff as we think we are. We're literally still in the stone ages playing with fire when it comes to this drilling crap.

[Bayou Tribe]

The past few days I've been thinking about this BP disaster and the Katrina disaster and on the surface cannot help but feel a bit more for the people of the Gulf this time around. Don't get me wrong, Katrina was awful, everyone was to blame from local to state to federal. Including, IMO, many residents that stayed behind despite the warnings not to.

I see the two as different in the respect that while both were natural disasters (to a point) the latter is in part, a large part, due to us tinkering with mother nature, as opposed to Katrina where we had no influence on the severity of the storm itself, only the aftermath by our lack of sensibilities etc... IOW this time around the people of the Gulf had some reason to have legit confidence in "the system" as far as getting things handled in a somewhat timely, proper and ethical manner. So for many or most of them to stick around and see what happens is IMO not a crime, as it could be looked at during the Katrina disaster.

The thing about this that really puts everything into perspective IMO is that every single oil company that does any kind of significant drilling has the exact same plan in place for responding to such an emergency, in some cases verbatim from what I have read. Which makes a major point, we really are not as up to snuff on this stuff as we think we are. We're literally still in the stone ages playing with fire when it comes to this drilling crap.

JB is going to shit a barnyard when he reads this.

I hate going back into discussions about "the K word" because it was a huge source of shame for some of our area, but I will say that the people affected in this spill are more of the type of people that I could personally relate to in comparison to those who were reaped most of the relief post-Katrina. Doesn't make me feel any better about the current situation though.

[Ziner]

JB is going to shit a barnyard when he reads this.

I take it that is a southern thing? Us yankees usually just stick with bricks.