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Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby TBigz » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:30 pm

Just from experience (not statistical data, but even if I were to pull stats up I think they'd be in favor of my reasoning) I feel as if major cities in Ohio are getting worse and worse financially. I've been to Cincinnati, Cleveland, Toledo and all seem to be getting worse with unemployment and lack of city development. I find this true especially compared to southern states that I have traveled through such as Georgia, Florida, Tennessee and even Kentucky. Is this a result of individual city representatives or our current governor or a combination of the two? It seems as if the southern states that are represented by fiscal conservative policies are doing better despite the nationwide struggles economically.
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:03 am

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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby hebner20 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:49 am

the call it the rust belt for a reason.
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:30 am

Water is wet...

Bears shit in the woods...

Cardinal Bernard Law is still not dead...

I'll guess you'd find the same kinda info in PA or Meatchicken.
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:03 pm

Huge industrial cities that are on the decline will naturally look much worse then cities were all development is rather new. Just an anecdotal observation, on top of the usual suspects. Poor leadership, entrenched labor unions, non-existent business community and the like...
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:35 pm

I've never understood why people hate on Unions like they do.
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby waborat » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:39 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I've never understood why people hate on Unions like they do.


Um, because it's now 2010 and there's really no reason to have them anymore?

Just another business within a business
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:49 pm

waborat wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I've never understood why people hate on Unions like they do.


Um, because it's now 2010 and there's really no reason to have them anymore?

Just another business within a business


Because companies today always play fair.
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby waborat » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:54 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
waborat wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I've never understood why people hate on Unions like they do.


Um, because it's now 2010 and there's really no reason to have them anymore?

Just another business within a business


Because companies today always play fair.


Know dozens of union workers and about 80% hate em, but are stuck and the other 20% haven't worked for them long enough
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:01 pm

waborat wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
waborat wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I've never understood why people hate on Unions like they do.


Um, because it's now 2010 and there's really no reason to have them anymore?

Just another business within a business


Because companies today always play fair.


Know dozens of union workers and about 80% hate em, but are stuck and the other 20% haven't worked for them long enough


I know dozens of union workers myself and about 83% of them love 'em.

In all seriousness though, I hear you, there are greed whore unuins out there, no doubt. But in some areas of business they help Americans earn a good living. I am against closed shops, I think workers today should be able to choose if they want to join or not.
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:53 pm

My take on unions:

Shop workers are lazy. Their unions protect the lazy and incompetent and if you work too hard and make someone look bad, you'll get your tires slashed.

The stewards are lazy back-stabbing theives who will sell you out to 'The Company' for the right management job as fast as they'll carry a strike sign. The higher-ups are after the free vacations and meetings on "union business"

The building trades union workers actually work for a living....hard. There are some trades that you would never, ever want a non-union worker to perform.

If you are sitting on the bench out of work its because the word is out you're a lazy fuck and no one wants your whining ass around

As for the building trades union stewards and higher-ups, see all of the above^^^^^^^

Unions have only themselves to blame. I've been in two shop unions, IBEW and UAW, and regulary work with/around the local labor union on commercial projects.

The current President is a bumbling fucking idiot who thinks he's Tony Soprano

Sorry but, the dumb fuckers in the shops had their chances...when they had the power, they went for .0002% COL raises....they coulda been partners

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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:57 pm

...and when the topic gets to moderization of industry, see WWII

The reason our shops are all so old is that they never got bombed

Recent comparison pics I saw of Nagasaki and Detroit before and after WWII tell the story...

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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:09 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:My take on unions:

Shop workers are lazy. Their unions protect the lazy and incompetent and if you work too hard and make someone look bad, you'll get your tires slashed.

The stewards are lazy back-stabbing theives who will sell you out to 'The Company' for the right management job as fast as they'll carry a strike sign. The higher-ups are after the free vacations and meetings on "union business"

The building trades union workers actually work for a living....hard. There are some trades that you would never, ever want a non-union worker to perform.

If you are sitting on the bench out of work its because the word is out you're a lazy fuck and no one wants your whining ass around

As for the building trades union stewards and higher-ups, see all of the above^^^^^^^

Unions have only themselves to blame. I've been in two shop unions, IBEW and UAW, and regulary work with/around the local labor union on commercial projects.

The current President is a bumbling fucking idiot who thinks he's Tony Soprano

Sorry but, the dumb fuckers in the shops had their chances...when they had the power, they went for .0002% COL raises....they coulda been partners

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In regards to unions and production in manufacturing you're spot on, for the most part laziness s rewarded. IMO ALL manufacturing production should be piece work, too difficult to do for small business but for moderate to large it should be a must.

The trade unions are different, for the most part they do work hard, however they do get away with plenty of slacking and extra "perks" often on the taxpayers dime.
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Re: Ohio's Major Cities Deteriorating

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:39 pm

The trade unions are different, for the most part they do work hard, however they do get away with plenty of slacking and extra "perks" often on the taxpayers dime
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