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by aoxo1 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:23 pm
by Ziner » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:26 pm
aoxo1 wrote:Personally, I am against it mainly for the following two reasons1) The chance that innocents are being executed. There have been a very large number of people on death row who have had their cases overturned thanks to the Innocence Project in recent years.2) The cost to the state compared to just locking a murderer up indefinitely.
by Stu » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:51 pm
by Orenthal » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:26 pm
by jfiling » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:43 pm
by dem425 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:52 pm
by aoxo1 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:52 pm
jfiling wrote:Dammit that article hit me hard. At first, I was thinking there is no way this guy didn't do it, and then the systematic debunking of the prosecution's case, and particularly the "experts" for the prosecution, just overwhelmed me.
jfiling wrote:And, I think an innocent man was executed. If he can be exonerated posthumously, maybe we can finally get rid of the barbaric system of capital punishment.
by jfiling » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:36 pm
by dem425 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:26 pm
by leadpipe » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:50 pm
by JoJo White » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:40 pm
by TIMMAH » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:30 am
by jjgmyers » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:11 pm
but having a guy sit for two hours while people stick needles into bones and muscles is disturbing
by jfiling » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:25 pm
jjgmyers wrote:but having a guy sit for two hours while people stick needles into bones and muscles is disturbing.Aww. Poor guy. He had to sit there for a whole 2 hours while they pricked little needles in his arm? Poor thing. Don't worry about the 14 y/o girl who was raped and brutally murdered by this POSYou must not have children.
by dem425 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:24 am
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:59 am
by CTownYaga » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:29 pm
by hermanfontenot » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:43 pm
by mattvan1 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:33 am
by Zé Apelido » Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:16 pm
by aoxo1 » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:58 pm
Just months before the controversial removal of three members of a state commission investigating the forensics that led to a Texas man's 2004 execution, top aides to Gov. Rick Perry tried to pressure the chairman of the panel over the direction of the inquiry, the chairman has told the Tribune.Samuel Bassett, whom Perry replaced on the Texas Forensic Science Commission two weeks ago, said he twice was called to meetings with Perry's top attorneys. At one of those meetings, Bassett said he was told they were unhappy with the course of the commission's investigation."I was surprised that they were involving themselves in the commission's decision-making," Bassett said. "I did feel some pressure from them, yes. There's no question about that."...According to Bassett, the governor's attorneys questioned the cost of the inquiry and asked why a fire scientist from Texas could not be hired to examine the case instead of the expert from Maryland that the panel ultimately settled on.Following the meeting, a staffer from the general counsel's office began to attend the commission's meetings, Bassett said.
On Feb. 17, the day of the execution, Perry's office got the five-page faxed report at 4:52 p.m., according to documents the Houston Chronicle obtained in response to a public records request.But it's unclear from the records whether he read it that day. Perry's office has declined to release any of his or his staff's comments or analysis of the reprieve request.A statement from Perry spokesman Chris Cutrone, sent to the Chronicle late Friday, said that “given the brevity of (the) report and the general counsel's familiarity with all the other facts in the case, there was ample time for the general counsel to read and analyze the report and to brief the governor on its content.”A few minutes after 5 p.m., defense lawyer Walter M. Reaves Jr. said he received word that the governor would not intervene. At 6:20 p.m. Willingham was executed after declaring: “I am an innocent man, convicted of a crime I did not commit.”Summaries of gubernatorial reviews of execution cases previously were released as public records in Texas, most recently under former Gov. George W. Bush. Yet Perry's office has taken the position that any documents showing his own review and staff discussion of the Willingham case are not public — a claim the Chronicle disputes.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:24 pm
Zé Apelido wrote:I did a research project on the topic in like 9th grade (randomly, with no bias or idea of whether it was useful or not), and overwhelmingly found, at the time, mostly negatives.Main things:1) A surprisingly decent amount of people getting killed innocently (I feel like 5%)2) Lots of botched executions - most methods involve at least moderate suffering3) Evidence that it didn't do anything to deter murderIt seemed pretty clear then but I'm sure those stats weren't as black/white as I perceived 13 yrs ago. Plus, one would think #1 and #2 would improve with time.
by jb » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:59 pm
Mr. MacPhisto wrote: They get tasteless food every day and have nothing to look forward to other than getting the shit kicked out of them again the next day. That would seem to be a pretty big deterrent.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:33 pm
JB wrote:Bullshit Mac. It is a deterrent of nothing. Tens of thousands of Browns' season ticket holders re-up each and every season.
by mistero » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:22 am
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:49 am
by aoxo1 » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:56 pm
mistero wrote:Innocent man in Texas? Not so much. Just listened to this guy's defense attorney on CNN. The guy used lighter fluid , spread it all over his kids room and the hallway. Then he moved the fridge in front of the door to make sure there would be no escape. The day after the fire he used the money collected by town's people that was supposed to be to help him for new boots, a new dartboard, and to buy rounds at the local watering hole. The lawyer says he was guilty. He defended him the best he could, but he was a soul less fuck with no conscience for burned his kids alive.Fuck him. I'm waiting for a case of a real innocent person being executed. The death penalty is pay back delivered by society for victims who cannot extract any revenge themselves.If they need a good IV line on fatty in Ohio, I would be glad to do it.
by aoxo1 » Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:58 pm
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TEXAS_EXECUTION_ARSON?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOMEMore info on this case. Why didn't police take Ayala's statement back in 1991? It adds to the case against Willingham and every bit of evidence that can be gathered must be carefully considered.
by mistero » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:28 pm
by aoxo1 » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:54 pm
mistero wrote:Yes, I didn't see anything that makes me beleive he didn't do it.
by jfiling » Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:27 pm
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