Is building a casino in Ohio the right thing to do?

[Bill the Butcher]

Swerb's recent post inspired me to create a poll about this as well, haha.

So, what of it? Is building a casino in Ohio the right thing to do?

Once again, I do not need elaboration. Just answer with a click on the Yes or the No.

If you're in the middle, weigh it out and choose one answer.

Thanks.

[Triple-S]

I think it may help.

But I think what maybe is killing Cleveland overall is ridicolous union laws and high taxes.

Don't get me wrong, I think Unions have a purpose, but some of them do more harm than good.

I like the idea though, Cleveland has very little at the moment to offer people entertainment wise. Really, other than LeBron, the Rock hall and a couple of restaurants, there's not much that screams "Come to Cleveland".

[Ziner]

Its the right thing to do, but 10 years too late.

[dpdad]

I'm not a gambler myself, but if people want to gamble at a casino, let them gamble.

At least we would be keeping their money in Ohio.

[Larvell Blanks]

Its the right thing to do, but 10 years too late.

Exactly.

What needs to be done if a casino is built is that some other form of entertainment would have to be included. This is the one thing I agree with Triv on. To have a casino and casino alone will not do a damn thing. Build it on the water and include a marina and entertainment complex.

[dem425]

Along with the shopping and restaurants that will be part of the Casino complex (as indicated by Gilbert), I think there will be a resurgence in business for the Flats. New stores, bars and restaurants will feed off the people that are drawn by the casino.

The city of Cleveland (and all the political hacks) need to get behind this with everything they have. There was a time when the Flats was the ABSOLUTE place to be..........without a casino. Think of the draw a casino would bring.

[jfiling]

I don't know about the 2 other casinos (C-Bus and Toledo) but Gilbert is going to spin gold with a casino on the lake and on the Ohio River. It's an absolute no-brainer, and it will truly suck if the right-wing hicks living in what I call the "other Ohio" (basically everything south of Canton and west of I-71, excepting Columbus) deny the cities this. Sometimes I wish NE Ohio could secede like West Virginia did. Maybe then we wouldn't have any of the stupid blue laws the rest of the state imposes on us.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Casinos are only good for the state if the money they bring in is spent wisely. Tell me, do any of you have one ounce of faith in the politicians in this state to do that? I don't. I'll vote yes on this, and has nothing to do with Dan Gilbert and his apparent magic touch that turns shit into gold. I'm not buying the notion that because Dan "Christ' Gilbert is involved this is a lock to be a success. Too many variables, too many crooked politicans looking for grease. I have my concerns, but I want my state to do well. I don't see any other answers other than casinos. So, by default, i'll vote yes

[jack_tors]

Casinos are only good for the state if the money they bring in is spent wisely. Tell me, do any of you have one ounce of faith in the politicians in this state to do that? I don't. I'll vote yes on this, and has nothing to do with Dan Gilbert and his apparent magic touch that turns shit into gold. I'm not buying the notion that because Dan "Christ' Gilbert is involved this is a lock to be a success. Too many variables, too many crooked politicans looking for grease. I have my concerns, but I want my state to do well. I don't see any other answers other than casinos. So, by default, i'll vote yes

I agree with you big time. If the state was had more fiscal responsibility, this could really help but some how they will find a way to piss it all away. Casino's are not the solution to all of the economic woes of Ohio but if done right (with a mix of residential,commercial, parks like the plan for the east bank of the flats) it could succeed in helping renew the city some what.

[Naxos]

If done right this would be a great benefit to the city.

[Commodore Perry]

I'm 100% pro casino in cleveland. I don't know if they can, but I think putting a sportsbook in a cleveland casino would GREATLY increase tourism here.

But I'm anti this casino proposal. Either legalize casinos or don't. But don't pass a law stating that 1 guy, and only 1 guy, gets to open up a casino in Cleveland, no matter how swell he is.

If you want to limit the number of casionos, I'm fine with that, but at least open it up to a bidding process. And there has to be more then 1. You have to have competition in all businesses.

I can't vote for a law that hands Gilbert a monopoly on casinos in Cleveland.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Dan Gilbert could never be involved if there was a sports book. Since he is the messiah making all this happen by waving his magic, I guess we can forego a sports book.

[skatingtripods]

Dan Gilbert could never be involved if there was a sports book.

Exactly.

This plus the fact that Delaware is having a nightmarish time trying to get it past all the politics of the major leagues and the NCAA.

[swerb]

Well, at least we've figured out who the 1 "no" vote is in the other thread.

[Commodore Perry]

Dan Gilbert could never be involved if there was a sports book.

Exactly.

This plus the fact that Delaware is having a nightmarish time trying to get it past all the politics of the major leagues and the NCAA.

Yeah, very good points.

[Spin]

A casino is NEVER going to pass in Ohio, and it's not because of the conservatives.

It's because you're never going to be able to shove enough money at ALL of the politicians to get them to back it.

You get a few who aren't getting rich off of it, and they start making commercials about somehow some card dealer in Las Vegas is going to give all that up and move to Cleveland to deal cards in below zero weather.

It'll never happen. Too many politicians want a piece of it, otherwise they will fight to the death against it.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Why would we need Vegas card dealers in Ohio anyway ? The whole idea is to have Ohio card dealers. Why pay some jackass from Vegas, when we can pay a jackass from Ohio?

[jfiling]

I think Spin is referring to the scare tactic commercials that are already airing. It's going to be all out-of-state people coming in to take these jobs.

Of course, anyone who isn't a complete imbecile would realize that the scenario they are laying out is still good for the state.

New jobs + new residents = larger tax base & more people spending money on groceries, cars, housing, etc.

Side note: immigration from Mexico works just as well in that equation.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

People who fall for scare tactics probably shouldn't be voting anyways.

[Orenthal]

I think Spin is referring to the scare tactic commercials that are already airing. It's going to be all out-of-state people coming in to take these jobs.

Of course, anyone who isn't a complete imbecile would realize that the scenario they are laying out is still good for the state.

New jobs + new residents = larger tax base & more people spending money on groceries, cars, housing, etc.

Side note: Legal immigration from Mexico works just as well in that equation.

That is better....

[hebner20]

Not that it matters but... why isn't this in the gamblers den?

Same goes for Gilbert gambling thread.

[Orenthal]

Not that it matters but... why isn't this in the gamblers den?

Same goes for Gilbert gambling thread.

Maybe because it is on the State ballot, or the fact it is potentially a 600 million dollar investment into the city of Cleveland, and not just my pick for a freaking football game. Didn't gather from the majority of posts in here this is a discussion forum tilted to politics... WTF, are people fucking retarded... I feel like I should be channeling e0y2e3... Why!

[skatingtripods]

Not that it matters but... why isn't this in the gamblers den?

Same goes for Gilbert gambling thread.

If you don't want to see it here, then don't read it.

Very few of the people who have commented here view The Gambler's Den.

[Stu]

Dan Gilbert could never be involved if there was a sports book.

Exactly.

This plus the fact that Delaware is having a nightmarish time trying to get it past all the politics of the major leagues and the NCAA.

Yeah, very good points.

why? you can bet on sports other than the NBA at the Palms.

[pup]

It is illegal (federal) to bet on sports any other than Nevada.

Delaware had something on its books that could potentially grandfather it in, but I believe they are the only state with that loophole. And even with it, they have a fight on their hands.

Scare tactic commercials are great. It will not create 34,000 jobs at one time. Which is true. It will create 19,000 to build it and then 15,000 to oiperate it. Still creates 34,000 jobs, but they are correct that they are not all at the same time.

And I am sure we all know, but the main player behind those ads? Yes, they guy that makes 70% of his gambling profit in his West Virginia Casino off Ohio residents. Shut up fucktard!

The problem with "allowing" multiple people to bid on owning the casinos is now you are really going to get the politicians involved. If issue 3 passes, it passes and plans can move forward. Correct?

If you made it issue X passes, and now we will hold a bidding war for the 6 casinos we are going to allow, who makes the call? Yep. The same people you are worried about needing to be greased up front.

Just vote yes and get out of Golden Dan's way.

[Apex777]

Its the right thing to do, but 10 years too late.

I would tend to agree with this statement. Yes, building a casino in Ohio is a good thing, would keeps tons of money that now goes to other states here, BUT, it is probably a little late. Every state that surrounds Ohio has a casino, and if you read the news, a lot of them are struggling in this bad economy. 10 years ago, a casino in Ohio would have been a boon financially to the state. But isn't that how it always goes, A day late and a dollar short?

[Ziner]

Its the right thing to do, but 10 years too late.

I would tend to agree with this statement. Yes, building a casino in Ohio is a good thing, would keeps tons of money that now goes to other states here, BUT, it is probably a little late. Every state that surrounds Ohio has a casino, and if you read the news, a lot of them are struggling in this bad economy. 10 years ago, a casino in Ohio would have been a boon financially to the state. But isn't that how it always goes, A day late and a dollar short?

Its still a hell of a drive from Cleveland or Columbus for to a casino. I really am not sure how well a Casino will work in Cincy or Toledo, but if it were downtown Cincy it might have a shot and in Toledo it is still an hour to Detroit.

[hebner20]

Not that it matters but... why isn't this in the gamblers den?

Same goes for Gilbert gambling thread.

Maybe because it is on the State ballot, or the fact it is potentially a 600 million dollar investment into the city of Cleveland, and not just my pick for a freaking football game. Didn't gather from the majority of posts in here this is a discussion forum tilted to politics... WTF, are people fucking retarded... I feel like I should be channeling e0y2e3... Why!

I viewed this more of a gambling discussion but it is also a political topic. Sorry to have raised your blood pressure, not sure it is that big of deal either way as I noted.

Was such a strong response really necessary? Not really directed at you OJ, but a general comment that I have made several times before. I realize this is no holds barred, but a relatively innocuous statement that draws that kind of wrath - I don't get it? Can't you just ignore the dumb asses like me and be the better/smarter man? After all, you (and all rest) should know better than me.

Just my take FWIW.

[Orenthal]

Not that it matters but... why isn't this in the gamblers den?

Same goes for Gilbert gambling thread.

Maybe because it is on the State ballot, or the fact it is potentially a 600 million dollar investment into the city of Cleveland, and not just my pick for a freaking football game. Didn't gather from the majority of posts in here this is a discussion forum tilted to politics... WTF, are people fucking retarded... I feel like I should be channeling e0y2e3... Why!

I viewed this more of a gambling discussion but it is also a political topic. Sorry to have raised your blood pressure, not sure it is that big of deal either way as I noted.

Was such a strong response really necessary? Not really directed at you OJ, but a general comment that I have made several times before. I realize this is no holds barred, but a relatively innocuous statement that draws that kind of wrath - I don't get it? Can't you just ignore the dumb asses like me and be the better/smarter man? After all, you (and all rest) should know better than me.

Just my take FWIW.

No, sorry I cannot. I seem to think people posting about how, why, and when people should post as douche chill worthy. Worse only to those people that qualify such posts so that they really are saying nothing at all... Although that is only my opinion so take it for what its worth, not that it really matters, but to each his own, if that makes any sense to you...

Truly passive aggressive, and yes I do know better...

[Commodore Perry]

What do you guys think of the proposed location? Its down near the Tower City Amphitheater.

At first glance, I would have liked to see it closer to more hotels and bars, or more to the east of downtown to help development move that way. Maybe off Euclid to help with the corridor's development.

But maybe its good that its somewhat isolated. And it is nearby TC and Gateway. Might be fun to head over and shoot craps after a cavs/indians game.

[Spin]

I'd like to see them level some 90% empty neighborhoods, lay a landing strip, build some hangars, and build the casino on Burke Lakefront Airport. Add in a beach, couple places to eat. Set up an amphitheater with the lake as a backdrop, or the skyline. Not a stupid curtain.

Wipe out a mile stretch of empty houses and factories. Use the lake and the skyline to set the casino off, get more businesses down there, hiring people and paying taxes. The aircraft get a new strip, off of Hopkins approach path and away from the gulls and the ships at the river mouth. Maybe close to Cleveland Clinic and UH to assist with aeromedical.

A win-win-win for everybody. Except the rats in the abandoned houses.

Just thinking out loud...

[Cease]

People who fall for scare tactics probably shouldn't be voting anyways.

The American political machine would like a word with you...