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Re: Obama's Ed. Speech

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:18 pm

The "Uproar" before hand means nothing. Not one of them knew what Obama had in that speech before he made it. As EW said, it's all speculation. As soon as Obama said he was going to talk to kids, the right started foaming at the mouth and screeching about "indoctrination". Everytime Obama does something, the right has an uproar. It's just how they work, that base will always respond when their talking heads cry "Wolf!". Was anyone surprised the right went nutso the moment they found out he was making this speech?
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Re: Obama's Ed. Speech

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:24 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:The "Uproar" before hand means nothing. Not one of them knew what Obama had in that speech before he made it. As EW said, it's all speculation. As soon as Obama said he was going to talk to kids, the right started foaming at the mouth and screeching about "indoctrination". Everytime Obama does something, the right has an uproar. It's just how they work, that base will always respond when their talking heads cry "Wolf!". Was anyone surprised the right went nutso the moment they found out he was making this speech?



It's how both sides and their zealots work. The sooner people do their own thinking and teach their kids to do the same (which can be a painful and humbling experience in its own right) the faster you'll end the divisiveness both parties created and work hard to foster.

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Re: Obama's Ed. Speech

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:27 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:The "Uproar" before hand means nothing. Not one of them knew what Obama had in that speech before he made it. As EW said, it's all speculation. As soon as Obama said he was going to talk to kids, the right started foaming at the mouth and screeching about "indoctrination". Everytime Obama does something, the right has an uproar. It's just how they work, that base will always respond when their talking heads cry "Wolf!". Was anyone surprised the right went nutso the moment they found out he was making this speech?

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Not knowing what he was going to say, after viewing parts of the guidelines and lesson plan, is why most parents voiced their opinions.

Of course there are sectors of society that will freak out just b/c it is Obama, happens with every admin, that is one of the reason they are in the minority.

To suggest/imply people ONLY had issue with this is disingenuous and juvenile.
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Re: Obama's Ed. Speech

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:46 pm

FUDU wrote:It is not a state standard to tell an 8 yr old that it is important to listen to the president and politicians, nor should it ever be made a standard at any level.


Yea, it's right here. I pulled these from the Ohio Dept. of Ed. standards for K-5:

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A. Identify elected leaders and authority figures in the home, school and community and explain reasons for having persons in authority.

5. Define power and authority.

I don't have to define authority for you, do I? Why would you tell your children to discard what the POTUS says anyway?

Not missing the point at all, my original question was why would anyone be upset by the President talking to their children. Citing a lesson plan that correlates with national educational standards hardly constitutes reason for uproar, regardless of chronological order.
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Re: Obama's Ed. Speech

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:48 pm

Not knowing what he was going to say, after viewing parts of the guidelines and lesson plan, is why most parents voiced their opinions.


What?

Of course there are sectors of society that will freak out just b/c it is Obama, happens with every admin, that is one of the reason they are in the minority.

To suggest/imply people ONLY had issue with this is disingenuous and juvenile.


Please. They have issue with this because they've been fed another dose of Fear & Crazy pills by the dumbshits on tv and radio. Everytime Obama tries to do or say anything, the Republican base goes apeshit, teaparties, birthers, and death panels. That is the state of Republicans, don't get anything done and just try to scare people with bullshit they made up. Fear mongering is still their only plan.
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Re: Obama's Ed. Speech

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:06 pm

Peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:The "Uproar" before hand means nothing. Not one of them knew what Obama had in that speech before he made it. As EW said, it's all speculation. As soon as Obama said he was going to talk to kids, the right started foaming at the mouth and screeching about "indoctrination". Everytime Obama does something, the right has an uproar. It's just how they work, that base will always respond when their talking heads cry "Wolf!". Was anyone surprised the right went nutso the moment they found out he was making this speech?



It's how both sides and their zealots work. The sooner people do their own thinking and teach their kids to do the same (which can be a painful and humbling experience in its own right) the faster you'll end the divisiveness both parties created and work hard to foster.

Just my opinion.


Maybe.

But the country is so polarized. I think both parties have been consumed with trying to fuck each other over that it's all they think about. The right will throw a fit everytime Obama tries anything. It doesn't matter what it is, they have the Hannitys and Limbaughs there to whip them up into a frenzy. Even if there is no issue, like the School speech, those jabbering douches will create a Socialist moutain out of nothing.

This is the kind of shit we can expect for the next 3-7 years.
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Re: Obama's Ed. Speech

Unread postby pup » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:35 pm

FUDU wrote:
Pup wrote:So we do not trust the President of the United States to talk to school kids without an advanced copy of what he is going to say? Really? Christ.

Are people worried he is going to convince them to convince their parents to vote for him again? Cuz the parents are stupid enough to be convinced by their elementary school children? He was going to pass along some sort of agenda the kids could jedi mind trick their parents into following?

Stop it. Didn't vote for him. But to think his speech to young kids would somehow be harmful to them? Get. The. F. Out.

Again. When 90% of the country figures out that 90% of politicians are 100% full of shit and the media is no longer the driving force behind elections and the way people think, we will have a shot at being The United States of America again. Until then, we are just sheep.

Pup reread your post, then think about it.

It is plainly obvious you were probably unaware of the stuff released before the speech, stuff like guidelines and lesson plans, that had plenty of material that had little to do with a speech on education and the normal stuff you'd expect to see in a speech to school kids. Questions posed to the students like "Why is it important to listen to what the president says"..."Why is it important to listen to your politicians"....are you freaking kidding me. How ridiculous a notion, and you don't see that, get the F out.

You then go on to correctly describe just how full of shit politicians are in the same post that you just above it said we "should" trust the president, implying that we trust him just b/c he is the president?

Makes no sense.

Like I said to Erie, can I speak to your kids?


So telling kids to listen to what people of authority have to say obviously equals doing whatever they say for you to do.

You listen to what the President has to say for the same reason you listen to what a police officer or principal has to say.

Yes, you trust the President because those are the rules. Every 4 or 8 years, about 43% of the country 100% disagrees with the current President. But you know what? It doesn't matter. What does matter is the man is the most powerful, influential person on the planet. You don't get to take a pass because your side lost. I am 100% Republican. I voted McCain. I lost. But you know what, I still have to abide by the policies this administration puts forth. And I have to respect the position of the man. He might screw it up, and that would suck because I am an American before I am a Republican.

But you are god damn correct that my children, when they are of the age that it would have an effect will listen and respect the person who is in that office, whether it is the person I vote for or not.

They will also understand that listening and respecting does not equal blindly following. It means listen, think, form your own opinion and carry that opinion with the same passion that they will have to hate the Inbred and scUM.

And that concludes my trip into the political forum.
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