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64 Best Actors Bracket - Nicholson/DeNiro for the title

Unread postby swerb » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:09 am

FUDU and I are going to be putting together the second bracket for the site - The 64 best current actors in Hollywood.

We'll need to first establish the 64, then seed em. Then we can put the bracket together online with pics and bios, just like the 32 Greatest Cleveland Sports Moments bracket.

Heres my Top Hundy from like a year ago. Don, post your bracket in here as well. Im sure we can also find a bunch of actor ranking losts online. This will be our basis to start from, and any and all feedback from anybody out there with an opinion is welcomed.

1. Sean Penn
2. Robert DeNiro
3. Kevin Spacey
4. Jack Nicholson
5. Al Pacino
6. Tom Hanks
7. Anthony Hopkins
8. Denzel Washington
9. Samuel L. Jackson
10. Leonardo DiCaprio

11. Clive Owen
12. Bill Murray
13. Johnny Depp
14. Phillip Seymour Hoffman
15. Ben Kingsley
16. John Cusack
17. Steve Buscemi
18. Viggo Mortensen
19. Edward Norton
20. Benicio Del Toro

21. Harvey Keitel
22. Brad Pitt
23. Andy Garcia
24. Mel Gibson
25. Joe Pesci
26. Keifer Sutherland
27. Gene Hackman
28. Christopher Walken
29. Forrest Whitaker
30. Jude Law

31. Chris Cooper
32. Russell Crowe
33. Ian McShane
34. Bill Paxton
35. Billy Bob Thornton
36. Paul Giamatti
37. Clint Eastwood
38. Kevin Pollak
39. Daniel Day Lewis
40. Don Cheadle

41. Will Ferrell
42. Jim Carrey
43. Vince Vaughn
44. Ray Liotta
45. Willem Dafoe
46. Matthew McConaghey
47. Edward Burns
48. Harrison Ford
49. James Spader
50. Kurt Russell

51. Tom Sizemore
52. Mark Wahlberg
53. Dustin Hoffman
54. Tommy Lee Jones
55. Morgan Freeman
56. Ewan McGregor
57. Liam Neeson
58. Kevin Bacon
59. Colin Farrell
60. Robin Williams


61. George Clooney
62. Ian McDermid
63. Michael Douglas
64. Billy Crystal
65. Robert Duvall
66. William H Macy
67. Ethan Hawke
68. Nicholas Cage
69. Barry Pepper
70. Ralph Fiennes

71. Dennis Quaid
72. Matt Damon
73. Gary Oldman
74. Val Kilmer
75. Tom Cruise
76. Robert Redford
77. Ben Stiller
78. Kevin Costner
79. Heath Ledger
80. Adrien Brody

81. Bruce Willis
82. Richard Dreyfuss
83. Michael Keaton
84. Jake Gyllenhaal
85. Cuba Gooding Jr
86. Jon Voight
87. Josh Hartnett
88. Tobey MacGuire
89. John Travolta
90. Hugh Jackman

91. Randy Quaid
92. Sam Waterson
93. Hayden Christensen
94. Jim Caziezel
95. Thomas Haden Church
96. Adam Goldberg
97. Dennis Farina
98. Ted Danson
99. Ben Affleck
100. Keanu Reeves
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Unread postby FUDU » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:24 am

Here's my list.

Note, I did this in like 2 minutes one day and I did so with the intent of disregarding some of the old timers IE: John Wayne, Marlon Brando.

I tried to keep it to actors that will continue to make movies or have done so in a reasonably recent past time period.

I also have them seeded somewhat, top row across are the #1's, second row #2's and so on. Also tried to mix the downward columns with age and ability as to not load up one bracket or vice versa.

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edited to add: already saw one on Swerb's list i missed (I knew as I was making it I would) Andy Garcia.

I feel a bit better about my first few rows of seeding looking at Rich's, we are pretty much the same.
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Unread postby FUDU » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:32 pm

Some notables that I would have no problem knocking out the 13 worst on my list.


Andy Garcia

Bill Paxton

Billy Bob Thornton

Ray Liotta

Willem Dafoe

Edward Burns

Tom Sizemore

Mark Wahlberg

Robert Duvall

William H Macy

Cuba Gooding Jr

Tobey MacGuire

Dennis Farina
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Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:40 pm

Swerb, is your #100, Keanu Reeves spelled correctly. Because I spell it B-L-O-C-K-O-F-W-O-O-D.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:40 am

Some others we missed ...

Ian McKellen
Michael Madsen
Eric Bana
Aaron Eckhart
Jamie Foxx
Alec Baldwin
Adam Sandler
Kevin Cline
Greg Kinnear
Ben Stiller
Jon Lithgow
Gary Sinise
Matt Dillon
Kevin Dillon
Adrian Grenier
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:06 am

Here's what I got ...

#1 seeds

Jack Nicholson
Robert DeNiro
Al Pacino
Leonardo DiCaprio

#2 seeds

Sean Penn
Tom Hanks
Denzel Washington
Johnny Depp

#3 seeds

Kevin Spacey
Bill Murray
Russell Crowe
Ed Norton

#4 seeds

Matt Damon
Samuel L. Jackson
Brad Pitt
Anthony Hopkins

#5 seeds

Ben Kingsley
Keifer Sutherland
Gene Hackman
Mel Gibson

#6 seeds

Clive Owen
Jude Law
Chris Cooper
John Cusack

#7 seeds

Andy Garcia
Joe Pesci
Clint Eastwood
George Clooney

#8 seeds

Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Steve Buscemi
Viggo Mortensen
Christopher Walken

#9 seeds

Paul Giamatti
Billy Bob Thornton
Forest Whittaker
Jamie Foxx

#10 seeds

Ed Burns
Benicio Del Toro
Harvey Keitel
Harrison Ford

#11 seeds

Robert Redford
Alec Baldwin
Tom Sizemore
Bill Paxton

#12 seeds

Sean Connery
Dustin Hoffman
Morgan Freeman
Tom Cruise

#13 seeds

Laurence Fishburn
James Caan
Tommy Lee Jones
Daniel Day Lewis

#14 seeds

Nicholas Cage
Willem Dafoe
Will Smith
Matthew McConaghey

#15 seeds

Don Cheadle
Ray Liotta
James Spader
Jake Gyllenhaal

#16 seeds

Adam Goldberg
Ian McKellen
Michael Madsen
William H. Macy

Tough to leave off ...

Ian McShane, Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughn, Jim Carrey, Kevin Pollak, Kurt Russell, Eric Bana, Aaron Eckhart, Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, Kevin Bacon, Colin Farrell, Kevin Kline, Greg Kinnear, Ben Stiller, Robert Duvall, Etahn Hawke, Barry Pepper, Ralph Fiennes, Dennis Quaid, Randy Quaid, Gary Oldman, Val Kilmer, Bruce Willis, Robert Dreyfuss, Cuba Gooding Jr, Matt Dillon, Kevin Dillon, Gary Sinise, Tobey Macguire, Sam Waterson
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Unread postby FUDU » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:38 am

I can live with that list, one thing I might add is maybe familiarity should play a small role in picking who makes the cut?

There are handful of guys in your seedings that are not that much better actors than the ones left off, yet some of those left off have been in many more movies and are more familiar, which in the end could have a say in people's votes?

Bruce Willis Robert Duval getting left out instead of a few of those lower seeds?

Just sayin.

One other thing, IMO it is hard to keep some of the comedy guys in the mix b/c they are so type cast and so few of them have played any kind of regular or serious roles? Don't get me wrong acting out a comedy role is still tough but some of those guys are not even acting, it just comes natural, they are that way out in everyday life. I'm speaking from experience I met Chris Farley and he is....was just as funny at the bar as he was in any role he ever played. I had tears in my eyes for a week.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:23 pm

Don, thats not a finished list. Just hoping to advance the discussion and seeding process.

I guess before we go any farther, we need to answer a couple questions amongst ourselves here.

What kind of bracket is this? Most accomplished current actor? Your favorite current actor? Most "now", stealing from ESPN?

Cause you bring up some good points.

In making the above seeding list, I took my list, your list, acting ability, notable projects all into consideration. And boosted some guys that are popular, that may not be in my Top 64. Guys like Will Smith, Nick Cage, Tom Cruise, Robert Redford, etc.

The comedy guys is another consideration. Based on our demos here, I think Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughn, and Jim Carrey would do well. Thats part of the reason I ommitted them.
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Unread postby FUDU » Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:45 pm

Well going with a favorite actor approach pretty much means this will just be a popularity contest of sorts. We all have our favs but we also recognize good/great actors even if we are not a fan? So by saying favorites means most of us are just looking for one guy that is our fav, and we'll vote him through no matter what?

So probably best to keep it based on the merits of ability as much as possible. The "now" aspect is cool b/c it doesn't mean an old guy will get dissed the way the title implicates. IOW a Hopkins or Redford who are very accomplished and talented actors, but are not in our faces all that much, will not get looked over?

Just define the boundaries clearly up front and it should work out.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:16 pm

Most talented current actor? Who is the best current actor? Don't old guys still get dissed if you give the bracket either of those names? And if you make it best actor ever, you have to include a whole new wave of guys from the old days, who 70% of our readers have likely never seen act.

You almost have to have "current" in the title. But again, is based on their body of work over their career? Or how they rank today?

A guy like Harrison Ford is the dilemma. Good, if not great body of work, hasn't done shit in a half decade. Is he seeded on his body of work? Or his current status, which I don't think is very high. Or a mix?
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Unread postby FUDU » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:19 pm

Best current probably covers everything we're looking for and protects it from being just a popularity contest, hopefully anyway.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:21 pm

FUDU wrote:Best current probably covers everything we're looking for and protects it from being just a popularity contest, hopefully anyway.

I think you're right Don.

"Best Current Actor"

Now ... we just have to put some kind of philosophy behind the seeding criteria. Tweak our lists accordingly, and get this bad mutha locked and loaded.
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Unread postby FUDU » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:31 pm

Body of work, credentials, awards?

Unfortunately there is no way around the weight a name will carry, which I guess to the victors go the spoils. I mean a name like Nicholson will carry much more weight than a lesser known (younger) guy even if that lesser known has a trophy.

I think this is where we have to probably give way to a third party's rankings a bit. However it doesn't mean there won't be upsets, b/c IMO as individual movie fans we all will associate a role or just a few role with a certain actors name when we see them matched up. We are not all going to remember everything good all these guys did on the screen. IE: DeNiro in Midnight Run as opposed to DeNiro in Godfather, Good Fellas, Analyze This, Meet the Parents etc....

Which leads to another questions, in the bracket do we add a brief description with the names or just display names? Adding even a brief description could be influential to voter?
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Unread postby MacGregor78 » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:32 pm

This is a pretty big list, so I may have missed it, but why can't I find The Rock listed anywhere? :-) :smile: :)


Thsi should be a pretty cool bracket. Thanks for all the hard work putting this together.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:37 pm

FUDU wrote:Which leads to another questions, in the bracket do we add a brief description with the names or just display names? Adding even a brief description could be influential to voter?

Don, what I was thinking was to include just maybe their five most notable roles as the description.
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Unread postby FUDU » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:48 pm

Sounds fair.

That is something I am definitely not qualified to comment solely on though, I am in no way familiar enough with the list's number of roles.

Other input will be needed if you are not happy with your own.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:52 pm

Don, last thing, and then I'll get together a final seeding list.

From my last seedings, let me know who you would add, who you would dump.

Also, who do you think I have seeded too high? And also too low.

We're almost there.
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Unread postby FUDU » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:03 pm

I only looked at the top 5 for now, I have to leave for a bit, they seem solid, except for Bill Murray IMO. Seems to be way high IMO, I was thinking more like an 8 or 9 for him? I think anybody from 6-8 can move up a notch to take his spot? Goes back to that comedy thing I said earlier.

I'll review the rest tonight.
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Unread postby Guest » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:12 pm

MacGregor78 wrote:This is a pretty big list, so I may have missed it, but why can't I find The Rock listed anywhere? :-) :smile: :)



And if I EVER find The Rock on this list, I will personally kick both of your asses.

Seriously...this is a great thing. I haven't contributed yet as I didn't want "my position" to be seen as influencing anything.

But I've got no problem with what I'm seeing.
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Unread postby FUDU » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:33 pm

Please contribute as your football and other knowledge seem to be lacking...

IOW lil help.

But seriously if yo say so then Rich I think we are good.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:43 pm

This is what I went with ...

#1 Jack Nicholson vs. #16 Michael Madsen
#8 Chris Cooper vs. #9 Jamie Foxx
#4 Samuel L. Jackson vs. #5 James Caan
#5 Gene Hackman vs. #12 Ed Burns
#3 Russell Crowe vs. #14 Will Smith
#6 Jude Law vs. #11 Robert Redford
#7 Phillip Seymour Hoffman vs. #10 Harvey Keitel
#2 Denzel Washington vs. #15 Ben Stiller

#1 Leonardo Dicaprio vs. #16 Sir Ian McKellen
#8 Viggo Mortensen vs. #9 Paul Giamatti
#4 Bill Murray vs. #13 Daniel Day Lewis
#5 Keifer Sutherland vs. #12 Sean Connery
#3 Matt Damon vs. #14 Bruce Willis
#6 George Clooney vs. #11 Alec Baldwin
#7 Clint Eastwood vs. #10 Benicio Del Toro
#2 Tom Hanks vs. #15 Vince Vaughn

#1 Robert DeNiro vs. #16 Greg Kinnear
#8 Christopher Walken vs. #9 Forrest Whitaker
#4 Brad Pitt vs. #13 Laurence Fishburne
#5 Ben Kingsley vs. #12 Dustin Hoffman
#3 Ed Norton vs. #14 Nicholas Cage
#6 Clive Owen vs. #11 Bill Paxton
#7 Joe Pesci vs. #10 Tom Cruise
#2 Sean Penn vs. #15 James Spader

#1 Al Pacino vs. #16 William H. Macy
#8 Steve Buscemi vs. #9 Billy Bob Thornton
#4 Anthony Hopkins vs. #13 Tommy Lee Jones
#5 Mel Gibson vs. #12 Morgan Freeman
#3 Kevin Spacey vs. #14 Matthew McConaghey
#6 John Cusack vs. #11 Tom Sizemore
#7 Andy Garcia vs. #10 Harrison Ford
#2 Johnny Depp vs. #15 Jake Gyllenhaal
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Unread postby FUDU » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:52 pm

Works for....hiccup ...me.
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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:18 am

IMO the first upset will be Harrison Ford over Andy Garcia, the swinging swordsman pulling out a gun v. Somebody Garcia never played.

Game over sorry Andy.


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Unread postby consigliere » Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:13 am

How does Bill Murray get a #4 seed? Is this strictly a comedy angle?

Overall, it looks great. Now get started on the 64 top chicks or top actresses. Gotta end this sausage fest quick.
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:17 am

Alright, the first round matchups are up. I still need to add descriptions though.

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Unread postby sandlot33 » Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:55 pm

Swerb wrote:Alright, the first round matchups are up. I still need to add descriptions though.

http://www.swerbsblurbs.com/bracketDeta ... cketId=10&


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Unread postby swerb » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:06 pm

So far, looks like we're in for some first round routs, which was predictable.

Some tight matches though, Dustin Hoffman smokin Ben Kingsley is the only surprise to me so far.

In some other notes, the bracketing for "view entire bracket" is wrong. The winners of 1&2 should play, 3&4, and so on. Also, I plan on some point (before 2nd rd) adding writeups.
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Unread postby swerb » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:16 pm

Seeding is holding up pretty damn well so far. 26 of the 32 higher seeds lead, and a couple of the dogs winning are 9 or 10 seeds.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:17 pm

Looks good, nice work.
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Unread postby swerb » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:07 pm

Alright, you can now vote on all matchups with one click of the mouse.
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Unread postby mswerb » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:15 pm

I like the color scheme of the brackets, nice job.
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Unread postby swerb » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:32 am

Down to the round of 32 ...

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Unread postby yogi » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:20 pm

Its painful when you make me choose between Samuel L Jackson and Gene Hackman or Tom hanks and Clint Eastwood

and then you give me Matt Damon and George Clooney to choose from!

How about Harrison Ford losing out and Matt Clooney moving on to the final 16?

Don't care much for the 2nd tier match-ups.
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Good list, but not current

Unread postby mevanchan » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:13 pm

This list needed to have Shia LaBeouf and Christian Bale on it...

Its Best "Current" Actor
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Unread postby jfiling » Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:38 pm

How the deuce is Harrison Ford losing? Has nobody here seen Bladerunner, the Star Wars movies, the Raiders series, those Clancy movies, and all the rest? This guy is losing to the star of Private Resort?
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:06 am

Has nobody here seen Bladerunner

Not contradicting your statements, but just an off topic note on Blade Runner. As I recall, the movie was developed without the voiceover - but in early screenings it was deemed too dis-jointed and confusing for audiences to follow - as thus the narration by Ford. FWIW, I loved it, as I have most of Harrison Ford's movies. That being said(or written) I find that he pretty much plays the a slightly nuanced version of the exact same character in every movie. Not a real negative, but not alot of depth as an actor, IMHO.
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:45 am

I think the biggest reason Harrison Ford is losing is because he's done absolutely nothing over the last 10 years. Take a look ....


Firewall (2006) .... Jack Stanfield
Water to Wine (2004) .... Jethro the Bus Driver
Hollywood Homicide (2003) .... Sgt. Joe Gavilan
K-19: The Widowmaker (2002) .... Alexei Vostrikov
What Lies Beneath (2000) .... Dr. Norman Spencer
Random Hearts (1999) .... Sergeant William 'Dutch' Van Den Broeck
Six Days Seven Nights (1998) .... Quinn Harris
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Unread postby yogi » Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:15 pm

Ford has played 3 of the most interesting movie characters, Jack Ryan, Indiana Jones and Hans Solo.

He should have had a bye into the final 8.

Just my 2cents.

Swerb, would you please make it a point to see the 3 Indy movies before the new one comes out?

You won't be sorry you did!

AND, besides its post 1970! :roll
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Unread postby swerb » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:36 am

The Sweet Sixteen is set ... how bout the 12 seeds! All the #1, #2, and #3 seeds hold.

#1 Jack Nicholson vs #5 Gene Hackman
#2 Denzel Washington vs #3 Russell Crowe

#1 Leonardo DiCaprio vs #12 Sean Connery
#2 Tom Hanks vs #3 Matt Damon

#1 Robert DeNiro vs #12 Dustin Hoffman
#2 Sean Penn vs #3 Edward Norton

#1 Al Pacino vs #12 Morgan Freeman
#2 Johnny Depp vs #3 Kevin Spacey
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Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:31 am

This blows.

Sean Penn, Jonny Depp and Ed Norton are the three best actors (IMO) of my 40 yr-old-ish generation and two of the three are matched up against each other.

Nice work with this bracket gentlemen. This may be the toughest decision I make all day.
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Unread postby swerb » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:35 am

Peeker643 wrote:This blows.

Sean Penn, Jonny Depp and Ed Norton are the three best actors (IMO) of my 40 yr-old-ish generation and two of the three are matched up against each other.

Nice work with this bracket gentlemen. This may be the toughest decision I make all day.

I agree. Sean Penn and Edward Norton are two of my favorite actors as well.
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Unread postby FUDU » Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:59 pm

This may be the toughest decision I make all day.


Are you saying Bud or Bud Light is an easy decision for you?

I really think this bracket has worked out well. I assume it is getting a high volume of votes regardless of the results?

Right now the only surprise to me is Matt Damon losing in such fashion to Hanks.

I think the possibilities are even more endless for this non sports bracket feature than the sports one, just sayin.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:04 pm

FUDU wrote:
This may be the toughest decision I make all day.


Are you saying Bud or Bud Light is an easy decision for you?

I really think this bracket has worked out well. I assume it is getting a high volume of votes regardless of the results?

Right now the only surprise to me is Matt Damon losing in such fashion to Hanks.

I think the possibilities are even more endless for this non sports bracket feature than the sports one, just sayin.


Whichever is closest is fine. I'm not all that discerning.

I didn't think these brackets would pique my interest at all. Yet I visit them regularly. In fact, I'll be hitting Swrb up for a job when this site costs me mine. :lol:
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Unread postby swerb » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:04 am

Down to The Elite Eight. Go vote below.

http://www.theclevelandfan.com/bracketD ... acketId=10

Save Ed Norton besting #2 seed Sean Penn by just a couple votes ... the seeds have held.

#1 Jack Nicholson vs #2 Denzel Washington

#1 Leonardo DiCaprio vs #2 Tom Hanks

#1 Robert DeNiro vs #3 Ed Norton

#1 Al Pacino vs #2 Johnny Depp
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Unread postby swerb » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:57 pm

Down to the Final Four ...

http://www.theclevelandfan.com/bracketD ... acketId=10

#1 Jack Nicholson vs #2 Tom Hanks

#1 Robert DeNiro vs #1 Al Pacino
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Unread postby swerb » Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:55 pm

And then there were two.

http://www.theclevelandfan.com/bracketD ... acketId=10

Jack Nicholson vs Robert DeNiro for the title ....
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