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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Cease » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:22 pm

hiko wrote:
Cease wrote:"Rock" defined as non-rap, got it. Although if you don't think Fear of a Black Planet or Death Certificate rocked the shit, you may have a gaping hole in your psyche. Not my problem.

No where did I say that, and I agree that there are many great Rap albums that "rock". And I said at the very beginning that if you consider that "Rock", be my guest. But if we're gonna quibble about what Rock is or isn't, then maybe I should just say fuck it and turn it into Best Albums.

The reason I didn't is that it seems to me that there is a pronounced lack of quality music generally described as "Rock" in the last 30 years, so turning this into "Best Albums" would be a much different list and just underline how dead the genre is becoming.

If someone asks you what the best Rock album of the 2000's was, where do YOU draw that line? I tried to give a broad definition, but I stick to my original emphasis that if you consider it "Rock", then list it. No reason to get all bitchy.


My apologies on the tone, non-intentional internet context confusion for all I know. I was making that mental note for myself, didn't mean to infer anything. Some hip hop comments were tossed out mid-thread, thought I'd add $.02 before putting forth my version of a "rock" list.

To your point, if you look through "top album" lists of the 80's, 90's, and 00's you see a drastic reduction in rock albums listed over time. Commercially, the rock era may have peaked with the hair bands. Then the grunge movement danced on it's grave. Perhaps rock has now been pushed back underground, and the hipsters really are on noble a quest to unearth it. Good thing is that there will always be garages and basements with drumsets and amps. Bad thing is that kids may be getting too lazy to even pick them up.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby hiko » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:33 pm

jb wrote:No, really, it is to answer this question: WTF does "best" mean?

Your personal favorite?

Or "best" for larger reasons? Social / cutural impact? Perceived quality vis a vis critical acclaim?

Wish I had the help of a genius like Buffum here, but "best" isn't logically defined by yelling loudest. It is defined by establishing agreeed upon criteria at the outset of a discussion an dthen objectively evaluating accordingly. "Best" isn't really subjective at all. But "favorite" sure as shit is.

What are you asking Hiko?


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OK, let's simplify...

Let's say you are trapped on a deserted island for the rest of your life. And you have only 10 CD's with you. And a magical CD player that runs on sand, but only plays CD's that YOU consider to be "Rock" and were made in the last 30 years. And the magical CD player can read your mind, so if you really love Outkast or NWA or Shania Twain but secretly don't consider them "Rock", the magical CD player won't play them. If, however, your brain does consider them "Rock", then rock on.

There.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby hiko » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:37 pm

Cease wrote:To your point, if you look through "top album" lists of the 80's, 90's, and 00's you see a drastic reduction in rock albums listed over time. Commercially, the rock era may have peaked with the hair bands. Then the grunge movement danced on it's grave. Perhaps rock has now been pushed back underground, and the hipsters really are on noble a quest to unearth it. Good thing is that there will always be garages and basements with drumsets and amps. Bad thing is that kids may be getting too lazy to even pick them up.


Quite. I guess one of the hypotheses I wanted to test when I threw this out there was that there would be very few albums from the 00's listed as the quantity and quality of available Rock dips into the Arctic (although this could be attributed to user nostalgia as much as the relative ease of synthetic music-making).
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:46 pm

hiko wrote:
jb wrote:No, really, it is to answer this question: WTF does "best" mean?

Your personal favorite?

Or "best" for larger reasons? Social / cutural impact? Perceived quality vis a vis critical acclaim?

Wish I had the help of a genius like Buffum here, but "best" isn't logically defined by yelling loudest. It is defined by establishing agreeed upon criteria at the outset of a discussion an dthen objectively evaluating accordingly. "Best" isn't really subjective at all. But "favorite" sure as shit is.

What are you asking Hiko?

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OK, let's simplify...

Let's say you are trapped on a deserted island for the rest of your life. And you have only 10 CD's with you. And a magical CD player that runs on sand, but only plays CD's that YOU consider to be "Rock" and were made in the last 30 years. And the magical CD player can read your mind, so if you really love Outkast or NWA or Shania Twain but secretly don't consider them "Rock", the magical CD player won't play them. If, however, your brain does consider them "Rock", then rock on.

There.


OK, that's a different question than I thought. That is more of a "what are your favorite rock albums" question. It's probably a better question, adn more interesting than best.

I took best to me more of a hugely popular, influential, listenable, appealing to a lot of people, easily agreed upon, bla bla bla...type of thing. In that case I would think that there is a right and a wrong answer.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby hiko » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:55 pm

motherscratcher wrote:OK, that's a different question than I thought. That is more of a "what are your favorite rock albums" question. It's probably a better question, adn more interesting than best.

I took best to me more of a hugely popular, influential, listenable, appealing to a lot of people, easily agreed upon, bla bla bla...type of thing. In that case I would think that there is a right and a wrong answer.


My bad... I was looking for what everyone's personal idea of the best albums (ergo, favorite) was, not what they thought was generally considered the best by the world. I don't want the musical equivalent of Citizen Kane - I'm looking for everyone's Caddyshack.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:00 pm

the realreason I bust your balls, bsides the fact That's what I Do, is to make CDT froth at the cake hole and start shit about the thread's title.



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And I do like some hip-hop/rap (are they the same thing?) Nas, Lupe Fiasco, Jurassic 5, Common, and a few others. Just none of that goofy little queer bait Eminem.

My 10 picks were totaly based on personal choice and I don't claim them to be TEH BEST ROK ALBUMS EVA. Just my very humble and modest opinions.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:07 pm

(sorry, this computer gets jumpy when a post is too long so I needed to post and continue.)

After I made my list, I thought of other possible candidate that I hadn't thought of. Is Thriller a rock album? I would say it's pop. Is pop rock? I think it's probably more of rock than a rap group like Public Enemy or the Beastie boys would be, although I prefer the latter.

What about Bon Jovi Slippery When Wet? I think it would be hard to deny that it's one of most listened to rock albums ever. But it's not a favorite, at least it no longer is. I'll probably go the rest of my life without listening to it.

But, the deserted island with the magical ghetto blaster that runs on sand and the big titted naked women fanning you and feeding you grapes scenario is a lot different and more personal.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:09 pm

hiko wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:OK, that's a different question than I thought. That is more of a "what are your favorite rock albums" question. It's probably a better question, adn more interesting than best.

I took best to me more of a hugely popular, influential, listenable, appealing to a lot of people, easily agreed upon, bla bla bla...type of thing. In that case I would think that there is a right and a wrong answer.


My bad... I was looking for what everyone's personal idea of the best albums (ergo, favorite) was, not what they thought was generally considered the best by the world. I don't want the musical equivalent of Citizen Kane - I'm looking for everyone's Caddyshack.


I'll think about that. Don't get me wrong. I like my list. And, I'll stick my Van Hagar. I love the albums on it. But my list is about as deep as a puddle.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby jb » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:13 pm

hiko wrote:
jb wrote:No, really, it is to answer this question: WTF does "best" mean?

Your personal favorite?

Or "best" for larger reasons? Social / cutural impact? Perceived quality vis a vis critical acclaim?

Wish I had the help of a genius like Buffum here, but "best" isn't logically defined by yelling loudest. It is defined by establishing agreeed upon criteria at the outset of a discussion an dthen objectively evaluating accordingly. "Best" isn't really subjective at all. But "favorite" sure as shit is.

What are you asking Hiko?


If I had hair, it'd be torn.

OK, let's simplify...

Let's say you are trapped on a deserted island for the rest of your life. And you have only 10 CD's with you. And a magical CD player that runs on sand, but only plays CD's that YOU consider to be "Rock" and were made in the last 30 years. And the magical CD player can read your mind, so if you really love Outkast or NWA or Shania Twain but secretly don't consider them "Rock", the magical CD player won't play them. If, however, your brain does consider them "Rock", then rock on.

There.



Is the CD player sand proof to protect the CD's? I need to know this in case I go from 10 to 7, or maybe 6, possibly 8, but not 9 and certainly not 1. That would influence my decision. If it took me to 5, I couls live with that.

So is my equipment sand proof?

And is there any rum and a shawty. Gotta be rum and a boo. Ele forget the CD's. I'm just gonna off myself.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:31 pm

I'd agree with JB on defining specifics, and I'd also agree that many things considered part of the big rock genre are in fact not rock at all.

Hiko, to a point you made up thread about the Beatles, so true, lot of guys think their "gay" b/c of their pop tunes. Funny b/c their pop tunes are not all that bad at all considering the times. Question for you, like the line in Pulp Fiction, I've always considered there to be Beatles men and Elvis men, would you agree, if so which are you?

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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:45 pm

I'm no Beatles fan, but no one with a working brain can deny they changed rock forever.

I'd agree with JB on defining specifics, and I'd also agree that many things considered part of the big rock genre are in fact not rock at all.


I agree, but I included many metal albums in my list because I consider metal to be a super sub genere of rock in general.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:55 pm

Not that I disagree CDT but IMO heavy metal is relative to the times. Heck Led Zeppelin was considered very heavy for long time by the majority, yet comparing them to Pantera of today, pfft.

My criteria for a heavy metal album being considered rock n roll is largely based on if said band ever swayed from purely heavy metal or their heaviest version of metal and played a tad bit toned down version of their music that would otherwise be considered R&R if we never heard their original metal. IMO Black Sabbath can be considered a R&R band, despite their rep as largely heavy metal, back in their day.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:03 pm

FUDU wrote:Not that I disagree CDT but IMO heavy metal is relative to the times. Heck Led Zeppelin was considered very heavy for long time by the majority, yet comparing them to Pantera of today, pfft.

My criteria for a heavy metal album being considered rock n roll is largely based on if said band ever swayed from purely heavy metal or their heaviest version of metal and played a tad bit toned down version of their music that would otherwise be considered R&R if we never heard their original metal. IMO Black Sabbath can be considered a R&R band, despite their rep as largely heavy metal, back in their day.



The first band to ever be combined with the term "Heavy Metal" was Humble Pie, kinda funny fact.

The thing with Rock is even it's sub genres have sub genres. Metal might have more, some of them really shitty (Power Metal), than any other form of rock. And I consider Black Sabbtah to be classic rock, even older Judas Priest.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:19 pm

To your point, IMO:

Rock n Roll
-Classic rock


So yeah Sabbath is a classic rock band that can be called a rock n roll band.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby waborat » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:29 pm

Good luck boys ::doh::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rock_genres

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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:35 pm

LOL, pornogrind.

According to the wiki page THIS is rock n roll?

Nintendocore!
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:45 pm

Cuddlecore is my favorite.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:49 pm

FUDU wrote:LOL, pornogrind.


What, you're not going to be picking up the next The Meat Shits or Cock And Ball Torture albums?
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby hiko » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:40 am

FUDU wrote:I'd agree with JB on defining specifics, and I'd also agree that many things considered part of the big rock genre are in fact not rock at all.

Hiko, to a point you made up thread about the Beatles, so true, lot of guys think their "gay" b/c of their pop tunes. Funny b/c their pop tunes are not all that bad at all considering the times. Question for you, like the line in Pulp Fiction, I've always considered there to be Beatles men and Elvis men, would you agree, if so which are you?

"My theory is that when it comes to important subjects, there are only two ways a person can answer. Which way they chose, tells you who that person is. For instance, there are only two kinds of people in the world, Beatles people and Elvis people. Now Beatles people can like Elvis and Elvis people can like the Beatles, but nobody likes them both equally. Somewhere you have to make a choice. And that choice, tells you who you are."


I'm a Beatles guy, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate Elvis.

And there are so many subgenres of rock that it's foolish. For instance, the bands I listed would probably be:

Tool - Metal
Metallica - Heavy Metal
Guns n Roses - Hair Band?
System of a Down - Nu metal (whatever the fuck that is)
Soundgarden - Grunge
Nirvana - Grunge
Nine Inch Nails - Industrial-ish
Violent Femmes - Alternative (whatever the fuck that is)
Rage Against the Machine - Rap/Metal
Ministry - Industrial

And most of them, sadly, are now technically Classic Rock, since I always heard the definition of Classic Rock as anything 20 years old.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:47 am

hiko wrote:
FUDU wrote:I'd agree with JB on defining specifics, and I'd also agree that many things considered part of the big rock genre are in fact not rock at all.

Hiko, to a point you made up thread about the Beatles, so true, lot of guys think their "gay" b/c of their pop tunes. Funny b/c their pop tunes are not all that bad at all considering the times. Question for you, like the line in Pulp Fiction, I've always considered there to be Beatles men and Elvis men, would you agree, if so which are you?

"My theory is that when it comes to important subjects, there are only two ways a person can answer. Which way they chose, tells you who that person is. For instance, there are only two kinds of people in the world, Beatles people and Elvis people. Now Beatles people can like Elvis and Elvis people can like the Beatles, but nobody likes them both equally. Somewhere you have to make a choice. And that choice, tells you who you are."


I'm a Beatles guy, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate Elvis.

And there are so many subgenres of rock that it's foolish. For instance, the bands I listed would probably be:

Tool - Metal
Metallica - Heavy Metal
Guns n Roses - Hair Band?
System of a Down - Nu metal (whatever the fuck that is)
Soundgarden - Grunge
Nirvana - Grunge
Nine Inch Nails - Industrial-ish
Violent Femmes - Alternative (whatever the fuck that is)
Rage Against the Machine - Rap/Metal
Ministry - Industrial

And most of them, sadly, are now technically Classic Rock, since I always heard the definition of Classic Rock as anything 20 years old.


I didn't realize there was a difference between metal and heavy metal (not saying there isn't, just that I had no idea).

Your list seems right on, except for maybe GNR. I don't know. I always felt they were different than hair bands. I'm not sure why, just different. I think of shit like Mr Brownstone and it's pretty far gone from She's My Cherry Pie.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby waborat » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:32 am

motherscratcher wrote:
Your list seems right on, except for maybe GNR. I don't know. I always felt they were different than hair bands. I'm not sure why, just different. I think of shit like Mr Brownstone and it's pretty far gone from She's My Cherry Pie.


IMO, the last TRUE R'nR band (I'm sure some would say Nirvana)...

Walked right in the steps of the Stones & Aerosmith (70's version)...

No posing, lived the expected lifestyle, ya didn't know what was gonna happen at any time...Plus they could write a damn fine tune that crossed different genres (ala the above 2)...

Lightnin in a bottle that crashed and burned...

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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

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http://btjunkie.org/

Huge site, tons of torrents, i've never had a single problem with the DLs. The only one I use.

According to my Antivirus, The Pirate Bay has "active threats" on just about every page, not really sure what that means, but I quit using it.


I went to that site, but I don't like giving my email address to these sites in case they're raided, or they're traps (I have a buddy doing 5 years for hitting up a trap site). What are the chances that's gonna be traced back?
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

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motherscratcher wrote:I didn't realize there was a difference between metal and heavy metal (not saying there isn't, just that I had no idea).

Your list seems right on, except for maybe GNR. I don't know. I always felt they were different than hair bands. I'm not sure why, just different. I think of shit like Mr Brownstone and it's pretty far gone from She's My Cherry Pie.


I don't know what the difference is either - I found it online. Tool and Metallica have very different sounds, though, so...?

I don't consider GnR a hair band either, although I think they had the look and feel of one when they came out. However, their music overall was a huge departure from that bubblegum Poison & Cinderella crap. I've heard someone claim they paved the way for all the grunge bands that came shortly thereafter. Not sure if I buy that, but Appetite was both a Citizen Kane and a Caddyshack, imho.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

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hiko wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:I didn't realize there was a difference between metal and heavy metal (not saying there isn't, just that I had no idea).

Your list seems right on, except for maybe GNR. I don't know. I always felt they were different than hair bands. I'm not sure why, just different. I think of shit like Mr Brownstone and it's pretty far gone from She's My Cherry Pie.


I don't know what the difference is either - I found it online. Tool and Metallica have very different sounds, though, so...?

I don't consider GnR a hair band either, although I think they had the look and feel of one when they came out. However, their music overall was a huge departure from that bubblegum Poison & Cinderella crap. I've heard someone claim they paved the way for all the grunge bands that came shortly thereafter. Not sure if I buy that, but Appetite was both a Citizen Kane and a Caddyshack, imho.


I'm with you 99%. Everything except "Cinderella crap". I loved me some Cinderella in the way back. Listened the hell out of Nightsongs.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby hiko » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:15 am

motherscratcher wrote:I'm with you 99%. Everything except "Cinderella crap". I loved me some Cinderella in the way back. Listened the hell out of Nightsongs.

Oh, so did I. And I still do sometimes as a nice I'm-drunk-guilty-pleasure. But I do recognize that their music is far from high quality.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

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hiko wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:I'm with you 99%. Everything except "Cinderella crap". I loved me some Cinderella in the way back. Listened the hell out of Nightsongs.

Oh, so did I. And I still do sometimes as a nice I'm-drunk-guilty-pleasure. But I do recognize that their music is far from high quality.


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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby jb » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:44 am

Rage Against the Machine - No talent Screaming/Metal


Fixed.

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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby hiko » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:39 pm

jb wrote:
Rage Against the Machine - No talent Screaming/Metal


Fixed.

In most inner cities if you wrote what you did originally, you'd get the Shug Knight / Van Winkle treatment.


Rap Metal is vastly different than Rap, but I guess I'll stay out of the hood this week just in case.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:57 pm

I don't consider Tool to be metal, just very original well thought out and composed Hard Rock.

RATM is Mallcore, which is a derisive term for Nu-Metal made up by metalheads.. A much more talented version, but still the same premise. Downtuned guitars and rapping. I hate their politics and cannot seperate it from the music.

GnR is hard rock.

Alice in Chains often get lumped into the grunge scene, total hard rock band with some metal undertones. Soundgarden, who I do not like is also in the same boat. Just less metal.

And there isn't any difference between metal and heavy metal. Saying something is "metal" is just an expression, like if I saw a midget fighting 7 dogs with a hammer, i'd say "holy shit that's metal, now lets go help those dogs".

Dutch Ovens - Metal

Lightning- Metal

Numetal- Not metal.

Steak- Metal

Spring time- Not Metal.

Beer- Metal
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Cease » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:21 pm

hiko wrote:
jb wrote:
Rage Against the Machine - No talent Screaming/Metal


Fixed.

In most inner cities if you wrote what you did originally, you'd get the Shug Knight / Van Winkle treatment.


Rap Metal is vastly different than Rap, but I guess I'll stay out of the hood this week just in case.


The hood is all good these days.

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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Spin » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:28 pm

The lines are pretty blurred. Rap got noticed when a punk band (Blondie) rapped in the middle of "Rapture". Since rock grew out of R&B, allegedly, it seems it came full circle.

Then there's bands like Linkin Park, who throw rap, hard rock, screamo, almost techmo, ballads, and who knows else on one album. Hell one guy screamo's and the other guy soft raps in the same song.

I think everyone's definition is a little different. Heck how many bands we listed are even in the "Rock" Hall? Springsteen is, I remember his induction.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby hiko » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:29 pm

Just for no reason, here's what our friends at I-Tunes label their genres:

GnR - Rock
RATM - Metal
Soundgarden - Rock
Nirvana - Rock
Tool - Metal
NIN - Electronica/Dance (?)
System of a Down - Pop (?)
Alice in Chains - Rock
Metallica - Metal

I guess the genres really do mean nothing.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby just another fool » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:23 pm

finally another thread i can join in on. ignoring obscure punk records most won't care about.(one record per band):

venom - welcome to hell
black sabbath - mob rules
van halen - fair warning
sockeye - retards hiss past my window
metallica - kill them all
slayer - reign in blood
twisted sister - stay hungry
black death - s/t
iron maiden - pick one (killers, NOTB, piece of mind, powerslave)
judas priest - painkiller

plus a few more i may have missed or something or another
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:16 pm

Spin wrote: Rap got noticed when a punk band (Blondie) rapped in the middle of "Rapture".



It did?

Maybe by middle class white America...
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:02 pm

^^ The following all laugh at the Blondie putting rap on the map

Kurtis Blow - The Breaks
SugarHill Gang - Rapper's Delight

and those were the 2 more accessible hip hop songs
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:18 pm

Larvell Blanks wrote:^^ The following all laugh at the Blondie putting rap on the map

Kurtis Blow - The Breaks
SugarHill Gang - Rapper's Delight

and those were the 2 more accessible hip hop songs


No way, dude. It was Blondie. All of those inner city african american males used to go bonkers for Debbie Harry. When they heard Heart of Glass, they all knew it was completely revolutionary and had to copy it.

In fact, Kurtis Blow was an usher at CBGB when Blondie went through town.

It was all Blondie. I'm certain of it.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:31 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
Larvell Blanks wrote:^^ The following all laugh at the Blondie putting rap on the map

Kurtis Blow - The Breaks
SugarHill Gang - Rapper's Delight

and those were the 2 more accessible hip hop songs


No way, dude. It was Blondie. All of those inner city african american males used to go bonkers for Debbie Harry. When they heard Heart of Glass, they all knew it was completely revolutionary and had to copy it.

In fact, Kurtis Blow was an usher at CBGB when Blondie went through town.

It was all Blondie. I'm certain of it.



See, your ignorance shines through once again


Everybody in the hip hop community knows that Kurtis Blow worked at Max's Kansas City, not CBGB's.

;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:32 pm

Larvell Blanks wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
Larvell Blanks wrote:^^ The following all laugh at the Blondie putting rap on the map

Kurtis Blow - The Breaks
SugarHill Gang - Rapper's Delight

and those were the 2 more accessible hip hop songs


No way, dude. It was Blondie. All of those inner city african american males used to go bonkers for Debbie Harry. When they heard Heart of Glass, they all knew it was completely revolutionary and had to copy it.

In fact, Kurtis Blow was an usher at CBGB when Blondie went through town.

It was all Blondie. I'm certain of it.



See, your ignorance shines through once again

Everybody in the hip hop community knows that Kurtis Blow worked at Max's Kansas City, not CBGB's.

;-) ;) :wink:


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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Spin » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:24 pm

motherscratcher wrote:No way, dude. It was Blondie. All of those inner city african american males used to go bonkers for Debbie Harry. When they heard Heart of Glass, they all knew it was completely revolutionary and had to copy it.

In fact, Kurtis Blow was an usher at CBGB when Blondie went through town.

It was all Blondie. I'm certain of it.


Wrong song, dumbass.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:37 pm

Spin wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:No way, dude. It was Blondie. All of those inner city african american males used to go bonkers for Debbie Harry. When they heard Heart of Glass, they all knew it was completely revolutionary and had to copy it.

In fact, Kurtis Blow was an usher at CBGB when Blondie went through town.

It was all Blondie. I'm certain of it.


Wrong song, dumbass.



Whatever.

The point is Debbie Harry begat Kurtis Blow, begat Run DMC, begat the Fat Boys, Begat Public Enemy, Begat NWA, Begat Snoop Dog, Begat Jay Z, Begat Kesha.

Full Circle.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Spin » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:43 pm

What came first, the chicken or the egg?
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:55 pm

Spin wrote:What came first, the chicken or the egg?


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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Spin » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:02 pm

Are you talking "first rapper" or "first mainstream rap"? I have it she was the first to bring rap to the mainstream, something I have never forgiven them for...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blondie_(band)

In November 1980, Blondie's fifth studio album, Autoamerican (Australia, #8, UK #3, US #7) was released and contained two more #1 US hits: the reggae-styled "The Tide Is High", a cover version of a 1967 song by The Paragons, and the rap-flavored "Rapture", which was one of the earliest songs containing elements of rap vocals to reach number one in the U.S.,[citation needed] sweeping the world by storm. "Rapture" would be the band's only single to achieve a higher chart position on the U.S. charts than in the UK, where it peaked at #5. Autoamerican was a departure from previous Blondie records, featuring less New Wave and rock in favor of stylistic experiments, including acoustic jazz: "Faces", and from an early Broadway show, "Camelot", came "Follow Me". As the title somewhat suggested, a recurring general theme of the album was the car as a subject; obvious for example in the song "T-Birds", referring to the Ford Thunderbird, and Debbie's spoken intro after the first instrumental track, "Europa". Autoamerican was, however, not generally well-received by critics.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

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Special Ed

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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:58 am

motherscratcher wrote:Special Ed

Love that guy. Doesn't get enough run.



Always liked Special Ed, underrated album.

I was partial to Audio Two Top Billin

No way Debbie Harry could pull off this

Gizmo's scratching Milk Dee's rhyming
Milk is chillin, Giz is chillin
What more can I say? Top billin
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:09 am

Rapture rap? Funny stuff, yeah she rhymes some spoken lyrics, other than that no way, that song contains too much real live musical element to be a "rap song".

What Rapture doesn't get enough credit is for it being the inspiration for such skits as Night at the Roxbury.

As for Blondie herself, one of the 2,000 hints we should have taken that the 80's would bomb musically.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby Cease » Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:11 pm

motherscratcher wrote:Special Ed

Love that guy. Doesn't get enough run.


A few years back, I was trying like hell to find a copy of Special Ed's "The Mission." Couldn't find it on any sites to buy, as I preferred to give the man a $.99 to own a copy of that song.

Long story long, I find Special Ed on MySpace, right him a note, asking where I can buy this song where he gets the money. He says it isn't possible, he lost the rights, but out of the blue- he asks if I wanted to rent his apartment in Miami. Anyway, I had a conversation with Special Ed, it was cyber-surreal.

Ended up ripping it off some English stream site. Never stayed at his place.
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Re: 10 Best Rock Albums of the Last 30 Years

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:29 pm

I had no idea you were a pedophile Cease. Special Ed either, for that matter. It's a little disconcerting to say the least.

That is a cool story, though.

My closest brush with fame was receiving an email from Jim Hosier, who played Liam in the Big Lebowski.

I've got to find a site to download some of that old rap I used to listen to.
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