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The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby waborat » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:59 pm

Only 3 days away...

Sounds like episode 1 wil be the landing on Guadacanal...

I'm stoked
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:36 pm

I figured the 1st episode would be them training like in Band Of Brothers.
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Unread postby jordan kramer » Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:32 pm

i really wish i had HBO....
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:57 pm

Cant wait ... just finised rewatching Band of Brothers to get stoked.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby waborat » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:10 pm

jordan kramer wrote:i really wish i had HBO....


ya got coin, dontcha?
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jack_tors » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:43 pm

First review of the Pacific is in and its positive. Has some minor spoilers.. I really cant wait for this and like others on here have been watching Band of Brothers to prepare..

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/reviews/2010-03-11-the-pacific_N.htm
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:58 pm

jordan kramer wrote:i really wish i had HBO....


Use torrents, you can download the episodes about 2 hours after they come out.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jordan kramer » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:01 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
jordan kramer wrote:i really wish i had HBO....


Use torrents, you can download the episodes about 2 hours after they come out.

good call :salute:
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:26 pm

jack_tors wrote:First review of the Pacific is in and its positive. Has some minor spoilers.. I really cant wait for this and like others on here have been watching Band of Brothers to prepare..

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/reviews/2010-03-11-the-pacific_N.htm


Nice link.

Sounds like there will be no holding back on the violence and no mercy on those whose fault it was that we were there. As racist as the Nazis

They deserved The Bomb just for making our guys go thru these battles and the nitemares they've lived with because of them.

I highly recommend Ghost Soldiers to aquire a thirst for Japanese blood.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:59 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:I highly recommend Ghost Soldiers to aquire a thirst for Japanese blood.


Excellent read.

People should read 'Last Man Out' as well. 'Ghost Soldiers' had a "happy ending" compared to what happened at Palawan.

Or read anything on Nanking if stomach-turning atrocities on a mass scale are necessary.

It's almost surreal to believe that's what human beings are capable of.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:02 am

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Fire Marshall Bill wrote:I highly recommend Ghost Soldiers to aquire a thirst for Japanese blood.


Excellent read.

People should read 'Last Man Out' as well. 'Ghost Soldiers' had a "happy ending" compared to what happened at Palawan.

Or read anything on Nanking if stomach-turning atrocities on a mass scale are necessary.

It's almost surreal to believe that's what human beings are capable of.


Nanking was an amazing testament to the brutality of the Japanese. From the rape of 50,000+ women to the instances of Japanese "soldiers" cutting unborn babies from their mothers' wombs to gamble on what sex the child was. They were every bit as bad as the Nazis.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:45 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I figured the 1st episode would be them training like in Band Of Brothers.


AP story in the local has it starting with why each joined the service, which leads moi to believe it'll be prior to boot camp to some degree
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby swerb » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:05 pm

Wow.

This series is going to be ridiculous. GD heart was racing a mile a second from the second they were in the landing boats appproaching Guadalcanal. Have a feeling there's not going to be too many catch your breath moments over the next nine Sunday nights.

Finally ... some must see TV on Sunday nights. Been way too god damn long.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby mitchcyrus_old » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:13 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
AP story in the local has it starting with why each joined the service, which leads moi to believe it'll be prior to boot camp to some degree


Not much preliminaries, just 30 minutes of background of the three major characters before getting right into the shit at Guadalcanal.

Tense as hell episode as it was different form BoB on having them not coming immediately under fire once they land, but it was nervewracking waiting for them to come under the attack you knew was coming.

Looks that while they will try to show at some points that the "average" Japanese soldier was a human being as well, they are not going to sugarcoat the savagery and butchery shown by the Jap Army in general.

All in all, it looks like Spielberg and Hanks have done it again.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby waborat » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:19 pm

Great first episode...

Mitch & Swerb pretty much said it all...

Gritty & tense, definitely no turkey shoot
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby swerb » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:28 pm

mitchcyrus wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
AP story in the local has it starting with why each joined the service, which leads moi to believe it'll be prior to boot camp to some degree


Not much preliminaries, just 30 minutes of background of the three major characters before getting right into the shit at Guadalcanal.

Tense as hell episode as it was different form BoB on having them not coming immediately under fire once they land, but it was nervewracking waiting for them to come under the attack you knew was coming.

Looks that while they will try to show at some points that the "average" Japanese soldier was a human being as well, they are not going to sugarcoat the savagery and butchery shown by the Jap Army in general.

All in all, it looks like Spielberg and Hanks have done it again.

The tension waiting for the first bullets to fly was as, if not more agonizing than the right to the action open of Private Ryan.

And yes, it looks as if Spielberg and Hanks have knocked this one out of the park. History lesson, accurate portrayals of the mindset of the combatants on both side, and mind boggling realism and special effects. Like being there when it was actually happening.

Almost unfair that TV this good can be made at the same time as all the dogshit you find on the networks.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:30 pm

Link to the battle at Alligator Creek.

http://www.pacificwrecks.com/provinces/ ... enaru.html

Nothing I've read yet does the battle justice after having seen it disected on The Military Channel awhile back but thats a good synopsis

Didn't like the goofy nancy-boy personality they gave the Corpsman tonite tho...

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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:39 pm

My fuckin HBO was out and I missed the opener, luckily I can DVR the repeat.

Fucking Time Warner, I hate their service out here, but they only alternative to it is AT&T and WOW. No thanks.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby yogi » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:54 pm

Set the DVR last night to pick up the first episode and also Patton was on last night, so I DVR'd that as well.

Finished watching the last 2 episodes of Band of Brothers last night with my older boys (14 &13). Great. Hoping for more from The Pacific and Im sure it will deliver.

An interesting link Im sharing with my boys as we watch these brave men is our connection to it.

I've already said that 2 of my uncles were in the European War and that one of my uncles was a paratrooper in the 82nd, 505th division, shot down and died on D-Day.

My father and another uncle served their time in the Pacific. My father was at Guadal Canal as radio operator aboard one of the battleships.

But another real interesting link for us is that I'm from a little town in NJ, Raritan, NJ. John Basilone's home town! This is gonna be too cool watching this with my boys.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby waborat » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:57 pm

yogi wrote:Set the DVR last night to pick up the first episode and also Patton was on last night, so I DVR'd that as well.

Finished watching the last 2 episodes of Band of Brothers last night with my older boys (14 &13). Great. Hoping for more from The Pacific and Im sure it will deliver.

An interesting link Im sharing with my boys as we watch these brave men is our connection to it.

I've already said that 2 of my uncles were in the European War and that one of my uncles was a paratrooper in the 82nd, 505th division, shot down and died on D-Day.

My father and another uncle served their time in the Pacific. My father was at Guadal Canal as radio operator aboard one of the battleships.

But another real interesting link for us is that I'm from a little town in NJ, Raritan, NJ. John Basilone's home town! This is gonna be too cool watching this with my boys.


Very nice :thumb up:
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:49 pm

The official orders:


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BASILONE, JOHN - Medal of Honor Recipient
Rank and organization: Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps.

Birth: 4 November 1916, Buffalo, N.Y.

Accredited to: New Jersey.

Other Navy awards: Navy Cross.

Citation: For extraordinary heroism and conspicuous gallantry in action against enemy Japanese forces, above and beyond the call of duty, while serving with the 1st Battalion, 7th Marines, 1st Marine Division in the Lunga Area. Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands, on 24 and 25 October 1942. While the enemy was hammering at the Marines' defensive positions, Sgt. Basilone, in charge of 2 sections of heavy machineguns, fought valiantly to check the savage and determined assault. In a fierce frontal attack with the Japanese blasting his guns with grenades and mortar fire, one of Sgt. Basilone's sections, with its guncrews, was put out of action, leaving only 2 men able to carry on. Moving an extra gun into position, he placed it in action, then, under continual fire, repaired another and personally manned it, gallantly holding his line until replacements arrived. A little later, with ammunition critically low and the supply lines cut off, Sgt. Basilone, at great risk of his life and in the face of continued enemy attack, battled his way through hostile lines with urgently needed shells for his gunners, thereby contributing in large measure to the virtual annihilation of a Japanese regiment. His great personal valor and courageous initiative were in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jack_tors » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:31 pm

Very much enjoyed episode one and am really looking forward to the remaining 9 episodes. There is definitely a different tone and different story structure compared with Band of Brothers which makes me happy. There is no way another story told in the same format can compare so its nice to see Hanks/Spielberg and the rest of the creative team work to tell this gripping story in a different, yet still very compelling, way.

Here is a brief article from a gentleman who was there for the real battle and he too approves so far.

http://blogs.courant.com/roger_catlin_tv_eye/2010/03/marine-depicted-in-the-pacific.html
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:33 pm

Really good first episode.

I feel bad for the poor bastards that had to lug those Watercooled MGs around, especially in the jungles. Probably wasn't fun having those drum mags on the Thompsons either. This series is going to be epic. So many battles yet to come, Tarawa, Saipan, New Britain, Luzon, Iwo, and more.

One thing about those Japanese, they were not afraid of death. If it meant taking Americans with them they would glady charge into our lines with a primed grenade.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jordan kramer » Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:09 am

just watched part 1. this is gonna be a great series. CDT, i was thinking the same thing watching them hoisting around those watercooled .30 cals all day on patrols. this will be a great watch for the next couple months already cant wait for the next one. everyone knows someone or has family that fought in it and this stuff is so interesting to me. about a month ago my grandfather who was a decorated soldier in the war passed and i inherited a giant box full of his WWII stuff and its just amazing. that generation makes mine look like the biggest group of shithead pussies in the history of mankind
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jb » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:33 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I figured the 1st episode would be them training like in Band Of Brothers.



Me too, and there was all the Paris island material. But I love that they didn't try to remake the other series. That's cool.

What I do expect is more flashbacks to the home front and the time just after 12/7 . More linkage material possible since the Japanese attacked us first unlike the nazi's (nt counting U boats) .

So far, so good. That hour went by in the blink of an eye. Very limited combat sequences so far. Yeah, I know GC wasn't Tarawa and get the pacing and history of the campaign. It's just that the actual combat scene they did show at Tenaru was pretty truncated and almsot bloodless compared to other Hanks projects like SPR and some BoB scenes. Ironic give the nature of the Pac theater combat compared with Europe. way more grusome material. I don't want the Pacific to be a Saw series but it just stuck me as somewhat sanitized. They also didn't show anything but the aftermath and skipped how much they just chewed up the frontal asault and cleaned 'em up into sausage.

Best line of the night? Paraphrasing: "They don't know about the US Marine Corps." So true. Complete underestimation.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jb » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:40 am

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Fire Marshall Bill wrote:I highly recommend Ghost Soldiers to aquire a thirst for Japanese blood.


Excellent read.

People should read 'Last Man Out' as well. 'Ghost Soldiers' had a "happy ending" compared to what happened at Palawan.

Or read anything on Nanking if stomach-turning atrocities on a mass scale are necessary.

It's almost surreal to believe that's what human beings are capable of.



Yeah man, and a bizarre cultural compare / contrast.

Some sick shit went on in the eastern front, but all in all, it was almost like the Nazi's were systematized and calculating, whereas with the japanese it was almost straight up crazy blood lust. The banality of evil vs wilding. With the Japanese, it was very military driven, and w/ the nazi's, it was a function more of the party apparatus (and I include the SS in that) .

In the end, it was all ablut cultural megolamania and pure racism.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jb » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:42 am

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They deserved The Bomb just for making our guys go thru these battles and the nitemares they've lived with because of them.



Right on.

Most irrational revisionistic debate ever AFAIC.

Just the estimated casualties alone justifies the decision, and there was NFW the military gvernment was going to allow capitulation no matter what some scholars suggest.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:35 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:

I feel bad for the poor bastards that had to lug those Watercooled MGs around, especially in the jungles. Probably wasn't fun having those drum mags on the Thompsons either.


I'd bet the guy humping the tripod would trade with him in a heartbeat. Him and the guy haulin' around a 60mm mortar plate

That .30 was heavy and I sure wouldn'ta wanted to hump it but, I can't imagine it was any heavier than a field radio and spare batteries

Finding and supplying the water for it had to be another problem all in itself as well as the occasional cloggged line due to conditions

I too thought the creek battle was sanitized since some 900 Japs were killed and it was over with too quickly to put you in a foxhole with them to fell the fear
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jb » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:59 pm

How fucked are you now?
How fucked are you now?
How fucked are you now?
You're really fucked now.


Killer closing sequence BTW. Singing that andheading into a deep, dark jungle. That works on so many levels setting the tone for the rest of the series. Whose fucked? Them? The Nips? Everyone? The situation? What jungle? There / Everywhere? Literal, symbolic? For the rest many weeks vs the Tokyo Express from rabaul into the canal as well as the rest of the campaign. maybe for the rest of their lives as most never came out of the jungle in their heads 100%?

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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:33 pm

Not sure when that version started but, it has lived-on forever in Gruntland

Question for Mitch or anyone else:

Was the guy who capped the Jap being used like a duck in a shooting gallery the machinegunner?

His moment the morning after the battle after having killed so many seemed to be the most emotional of the episode
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Unread postby Guest » Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:39 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Not sure when that version started but, it has lived-on forever in Gruntland

Question for Mitch or anyone else:

Was the guy who capped the Jap being used like a duck in a shooting gallery the machinegunner?

His moment the morning after the battle after having killed so many seemed to be the most emotional of the episode


Yep, it was Robert Leckie, played by James Badge Dale, who is one of the three main characters Spiel-anks will follow in the miniseries. (Dale was also in The Departed)

I did note that through the firefight, he wasn't always on the MG, sometimes his partner was. I'm assuming that was due to fatigue...as well as denoting for the audience that it wasn't just a 30 minute quicky, but something that drug on all night.
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Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:20 pm

Mitch wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Not sure when that version started but, it has lived-on forever in Gruntland

Question for Mitch or anyone else:

Was the guy who capped the Jap being used like a duck in a shooting gallery the machinegunner?

His moment the morning after the battle after having killed so many seemed to be the most emotional of the episode


Yep, it was Robert Leckie, played by James Badge Dale, who is one of the three main characters Spiel-anks will follow in the miniseries. (Dale was also in The Departed)

I did note that through the firefight, he wasn't always on the MG, sometimes his partner was. I'm assuming that was due to fatigue...as well as denoting for the audience that it wasn't just a 30 minute quicky, but something that drug on all night.


Thought so. The scene is notable in that the the one who killed the most thru the night was the most compassionate in the morning

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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jb » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:18 pm

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Mitch wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Not sure when that version started but, it has lived-on forever in Gruntland

Question for Mitch or anyone else:

Was the guy who capped the Jap being used like a duck in a shooting gallery the machinegunner?

His moment the morning after the battle after having killed so many seemed to be the most emotional of the episode


Yep, it was Robert Leckie, played by James Badge Dale, who is one of the three main characters Spiel-anks will follow in the miniseries. (Dale was also in The Departed)

I did note that through the firefight, he wasn't always on the MG, sometimes his partner was. I'm assuming that was due to fatigue...as well as denoting for the audience that it wasn't just a 30 minute quicky, but something that drug on all night.


Thought so. The scene is notable in that the the one who killed the most thru the night was the most compassionate in the morning

Or so it seemed to moi...



Great take.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:51 pm

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I feel bad for the poor bastards that had to lug those Watercooled MGs around, especially in the jungles. Probably wasn't fun having those drum mags on the Thompsons either.


I'd bet the guy humping the tripod would trade with him in a heartbeat. Him and the guy haulin' around a 60mm mortar plate

That .30 was heavy and I sure wouldn'ta wanted to hump it but, I can't imagine it was any heavier than a field radio and spare batteries

Finding and supplying the water for it had to be another problem all in itself as well as the occasional cloggged line due to conditions

I too thought the creek battle was sanitized since some 900 Japs were killed and it was over with too quickly to put you in a foxhole with them to fell the fear



Oh man, those WWII radios were probably a nightmare in the jungle. Probably only slightly less of a death sentence than the flamethrower packs. But if you need to put some arty onto a Jap pillbox it was most likely yor best friend.

I guess it could've been worse, they could be Japanese and have to carry that Type 92 Heavy MG around.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:54 pm

Wow.

Nearly wet myself at the first muzzle blast tonight.

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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:03 pm

WOW!

An hour of battle encapsulated in a nano-second of acting...

The mental vaccum, apathy.... the brief feeling of pride of being considered a hero immediately swallowed by latent fear and remorse of brothers lost

Incredibly powerful last scene in the galley...
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Guest » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:46 pm

John Basilone was more of a man than 99.99999999999% of any men who have ever walked the earth.

Incredible stuff tonight.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby waborat » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:49 am

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:WOW!

Incredibly powerful last scene in the galley...


Agreed^

As far as Basilone's scenes last night, I hope that some people don't feel like they watched typical Hollywood sensationalism? Unfortunately, we see it in fiction and "based on true events" all the time...What that man was able to do in one evening was truely heroic...unjamming weapons, running around with ammo, burning your arm while carrying that beast, clearing bodies so you could kill more...Not to mention going hand-to-hand while there's complete Hell on Earth around you...Like Mitch said, just about every other man is a puss...

So far, I'm really liking the character studies...It's all about just surviving and making it to the next day and having to do it all over again without "losing your soul" like the father/doctor said...

It was also nice to see some of the lighter fair thrown in like the friction between the Marines/Army and the "Rice Without..."...

Another great episode
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:20 am

I'm in the same boat as you guys. I just sat there thinking how much of a bad ass John Basilone is.

It was another good episode. I'm still adjusting to the jumping around from Leckie and his men to Basilone and his guys. The one thing I have noticed as a difference is how in Band of Brothers, you felt like you knew everybody. The Pacific is just keying in on these three guys with a little of the others.

Man, these Japs were relentless. Obviously, as a History major with a focus in WWII, I already knew that, but to see it portrayed like this, just completely suicidal.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:33 am

When Chesty Puller ["We're surrounded. That simplifies things"] tells him the next morning he's going to nominate him for a medal, Basilone's reaction within himself is, "for what?"

He could only vaguely remember what he did, for its the witnesses who tell the stories that seal the deal and I have no doubts that years after the facts, Basilone finally had the flashbacks that reminded him of what he did and what they witnessed

No doubt he spent the rest of his life knowing that if not for his buddy Manny he'd be dead, and likely not a CMOH receipient and I'm sure he'da traded it in a heartbeat to get his buddy back.

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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:18 pm

I watched it twice. had to.

Agree with everything writen so far.

Hey Ron, I hope you take this the right way and maybe this isn't the means to do this. but at some point I'd love to read whatever you have to say that you think you'd want to share about your experiences. I'm really digging reading your takes on this series and the background you give in subtle ways.

If you think I'm a doosh for asking for war stories over the internets and if offends, I apologize. I could see why that could come across. If it is also too much , I get that too. Maybe I should have PM'd but I don't know if others sthought so as well.

Keep writing and Imina keep reading. Thanks.

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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:30 pm

What's your pleasure?

Grenade fight, hot LZ's, rocket attacks,mortars, RPG's, Bouncing Betty's, pungi pits, trip wires, air stikes, Mad Minutes, underground hospital on th Ho Chi Trail, shooting up lizards with vaccination syringes for laffs, 40 drunks of all races singing Hey Jude to an acoustic guitar, then jumping out 2nd floor windows for the hell of it, pointing M-79's at truck drivers back in the rear to cop a ride, challenging REMF MP's in hospital mess halls when they think they can confiscate your Bowie knife, someone accidently lopping off the finger tip of a little kid while chopping ice with a machete...

...or my favorite 3 day Stand Down moment....waking up in the morning after another drunken night and joining about 15 others in LOA'sO at a 2 1/2 ton truck one mile out into the South China Sea with only its rag top visible?.........dude said he was going to drive it back to the States...said he just had to wait for the tide to go out :thumb up:


edit: I'd hate to poison this fine thread with my own comparatively meager experiences but, I'll do what I can to put you in their foxholes and their heads.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:00 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:What's your pleasure?

Grenade fight, hot LZ's, rocket attacks,mortars, RPG's, Bouncing Betty's, pungi pits, trip wires, air stikes, Mad Minutes, underground hospital on th Ho Chi Trail, shooting up lizards with vaccination syringes for laffs, 40 drunks of all races singing Hey Jude to an acoustic guitar, then jumping out 2nd floor windows for the hell of it, pointing M-79's at truck drivers back in the rear to cop a ride, challenging REMF MP's in hospital mess halls when they think they can confiscate your Bowie knife, someone accidently lopping off the finger tip of a little kid while chopping ice with a machete...

...or my favorite 3 day Stand Down moment....waking up in the morning after another drunken night and joining about 15 others in LOA'sO at a 2 1/2 ton truck one mile out into the South China Sea with only its rag top visible?.........dude said he was going to drive it back to the States...said he just had to wait for the tide to go out :thumb up:


edit: I'd hate to poison this fine thread with my own comparatively meager experiences but, I'll do what I can to put you in their foxholes and their heads.



I'm thinking strating with the lizards sounds the wildest.

No, man, did the NVA like to night fight like that, and is it pretty realistic, what they show?
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Guest » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:57 am

Great episode, one that I think was necessary, but far different from anything we've seen, especially compared to Band of Brothers.

I will shamefully admit to not being that much of a WWII Pacific Theater expert, so I'm relying on what was said in the prologue that the 1st Marines basically had to sit around for several months after Guadalcanal to regroup while the US was building up for their next major offensive. In that light, it made sense to show what they were doing during that time.

It was also a chance to focus on a more human side of these GIs than Ambrose did when writing BoB, and I thought it was fantastic. Showing even the great Basilone decompressing from all the horror and the death of his friend by pounding down that killer of a drink (and then pounding the pussy Aussie).

In looking at the HBO site's preview about next week, it's a little clearer what's going on with Leckie. The stress over Guadalcanal, followed by a heartbreak and near mental breakdown in Melbourne leads to some problems for him next week.

This episode certainly lacked the action, gravity, battle-level historical perspective and suspense of the first two (and probably the last seven), but it was a worthwhile glimpse into the individual young men who sacrificed so much, showing them to be human as well.
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Unread postby swerb » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:08 am

Yeah, this series is clearly going to focus more on 3-4 individuals than the more broader look at EZ Company in BofB. Which means character development is necessary. We got some of that with Basilone, and they needed to have that kind of episode with Leckie.

And like Mitch, it's embarrassing how little I really knew/know about the Pacific theater side of things in WWII. Seems like everything I've seen, heard, read to this point in my life has been about the European theater. Some of the differences are startling, and not only did I not mind last night's episode, I'm really enjoying learning more about the dynamics of how the two theaters differed from the perspective of the soliders.

Plus, that Greek chick was smokin hot. :thumb up:

Just thinking about that last night. You take the horrors of war in general. What those guys went through at Guadalcanal. Watching friends die at the hands of a savage and sneaky enemy. Then Leckie meets the gal of a lifetime and has to have the torture of leaving her added to all the other stressors already going on with him.

Made me drink just thinking about it.

What these men went through for this country ... it is amazing. I'm just really glad Spielberg and Hanks have been able to bring it to light to people like me that weren't alive when it happened.
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby waborat » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:35 am

I couldn't agree more guys...

I'm sure most people weren't expecting the RnR so quickly into the series, but it sure did teach us even more what went through these boys heads during the war...

Amazing the emotional scars Leckie must have carried with him into the next battle? Not to mention what happened to the people they met and cared for them along the way...powerful stuff

I also thought that the scene with Leckie and his dad in the first episode was done because of the fear that his father had of losing him to the war and now we find out that they never had a good relationship to begin with...

IMO, this is Jon Seda's best work to date...He doesn't even need to speak because his eyes are worth a thousand words...we're slowly finding out that Basilone had no interest in being a role model and just wants to kicks ass...

Also, not sure if you guys noticed, but last night's episode was written by The Wire's George Pelecanos and that's probably why the greek family scenes were so realistic
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:54 am

Couldn't find any pertinent figures for Guadacanal but this is the rate combat stress for Okinawa as per wiki. [This link is worth hitting just to read a little of what some wouldn't really want to hear about our guys]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa

U.S. forces suffered their highest-ever casualty rate for combat stress reaction during the entire war, at 48%, with some 14,000 soldiers retired due to nervous breakdown.[citation needed]

Standing in parade formation Leckie is likely wondering why Basilone was singled out when every guy on the line deserved a medal...and he wouldn't be wrong

Basilone has yet to realize the weight of the medal that hangs on his neck. Living up to it and representing it will be harder than earning it, knowing that two guys died saving his life, enabling him to finish what he started

Chesty tells him to treat it like it belongs to him but, I'll bet when he speaks he says he's just its "Caretaker" and that it belongs to those left behind buried in the sand

Great series but I'm having a small problem with the obvious lack of chain of command being shown when it comes to coversations and meetings between a battalion commander and platoon NCO's. Not enuff to make a difference of opinion, just an observation

Methinks they just want to get Chesty involved more in the film than what was actual...1 cent

...and oh yeah, lets take a 100 mile march just to piss you off
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Re: The Specific Pacific Thread

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:31 pm

I told Lisa that last night's episode may have been the best of the three for me for all the reasons you guys mentioned.

Not only did those guys go through hell in the jungle but the mental battles off the islands may have been worse for some of them.

Guy like Leckie leaves a shitty family situation in the US, fights his balls off in some of the most vicious, heinous, vile conditions ever and then finds the ideal family situation in Australia that ends because he has to go back to that horrific shit and there's a good chance he'll die.

That was a powerful episode last night IMO.
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