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2006 Heisman - Call Your Shot

Unread postby swerb » Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:51 am

Favorites

QB Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
QB Troy Smith, Ohio St
WR Ted Ginn Jr, Ohio St
RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
RB Michael Bush, Louisville

Second Tier

RB Kenny Irons, Auburn
QB Drew Stanton, Mich St
QB Kyle Wright, Mia Fla
QB Chris Leak, Florida
RB Marshawn Lynch, Cal
QB Brian Brohm, Louisville
QB Chad Henne, Michigan
QB Drew Tate, Iowa

Others

QB Drew Weatherford, Fla St
QB John Beck, BYU
QB Graham Harrell, Tex Tech
QB JaMarcus Russell, LSU
RB Derrick Williams, Penn St
WR Dwayne Jarrett, USC
RB Michael Hart, Michigan
RB Antonio Pittman, Ohio St
RB Darius Walker, Notre Dame
RB Steve Slaton, West Va
RB Kenneth Darby, Bama
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Unread postby furls » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:28 am

Brady Quinn has to be the favorite on a nationally hyped (and probably grossly overrated ND team). Unfortunately for him, in order for a QB to win the award his team MUST win (frequently and big). I am not so sure ND will make it through the regular season this year with less than 3 losses. Thereby seriously hampering Quinn's chances.

Troy Smith: I just am not sure that he will get the ridiculous Heisman numbers. OSU will put up huge numbers, no doubt, but Tressel is definetly a run first coach (like most of them) and I think this team will steam roll people. Why throw the ball when you can run it with....

Antonio Pittman: Who may have had a shot at the trophy, but I think the Bucks will put up too many points. I think that Hawe and Wells (either of them) combined may have as many carries per game as Pittman. Lets face it, to win the Heisman as a QB it is about big numbers and wins, to win it as a RB it is about big numbers (wins don't hurt but they arent necessary). Big plays help, but big plays are not necessary unless you are a ....

Wide receiver like Ted Ginn: Unfortunately Ginn is not the best WR on his own team. But he is the best track star on the football team. Ginn will have the big plays and the sportscenter highlights necessary, but I just don't think his game will have enough substance this year.

Michael Bush will have a big year in Louisville, but I don't think the weakness of the Big East conference as a whole will be lost on voters.

I personally think Adrian Peterson will win it as Oklahoma reemerges this year as big 12 champs. He has basically been on the watch list for three years now, and I think this is the year it happens. I would love to see it go to one of our boys in Scarlet and Grey this year, but fortunately there is too much talent on this team for one person to get ALL the hype and stats. You will see people justify big smith numbers by saying, "it is easy to do this with ginn, gonzalez, and Hall out there and a running attack like..."

The only scenario I can think of where a Buckeye wins the award is if the Bucks are 12-0 and december after a HUGE game against a top 5 micihigan team, prepping the team for a NC game.
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Unread postby yargs7 » Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:40 am

I agree with Furls...

I think Quinn is the favorite going in. And righfully so. He is going to put up big numbers. He is a Domer. And he has that "Golden Boy" appeal. The Irish need to win 9 or 10 games though. I dont think that will happen.

Troy Smith is surrounded by LOADS of talent. And with a better running game this year, he isn't going to put up astronomical numbers. He will be highly efficient, but not gawdy. I love this guy's game. I love his leadership. I love his athleticism and his swagger. But I don't see him winning the Heisman.

Ginn is a long shot in my eyes. It's sooo hard for a WR to win it. Granted, he returns kicks and punts and that helps. The problem is, no one is going to kick to him. Ever.

I like Peterson by default. Dude will probably get close to 2000 yards, maybe more if he is healthy. The Sooners should be back in the top 10. A big game vs. Texas will put this kid in the driver's seat.

Here is a guy I loooooove as a darkhorse. MARSHAWN LYNCH from Cal. Stud. If Cal is in the top 10, which I think they will be, he has to be on the top of the list. He averaged 6.4 yards per carry last year. You heard it here. 1500-1800 on the ground for this kid. At least 15 tds. He is also a very good kick returner.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:59 pm

Adrian Peterson stays healthy, and Chris Leak thrives in year two of Urbans system. Those are the two guys Im looking at.

Quinn will disappoint slightly and lose a couple big games. Smith and Ginn will be in the mix, but neither will be statistically impressive enough.

Some other guys I really like this year as semi-longshots are Drew Stanton, Marshawn Lynch, and Darius Walker.
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It's Peterson

Unread postby gte619n » Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:23 am

Remember, everyone was ready to give the kid the trophy as an 18 year old true freshman. He's going to win it.

Notre Dame is going to lose AT LEAST three games. I would imagine his Heisman campaign takes a serious shot after Game Numero Uno @ GT. They're the most bi-polar program in the country, but they always seem to get up for THE BIG ONES.

The whole Smith/Ginn/Pitman tandem just kills easy other's chances. They're a package deal; you can't have one without the other, so they'll steal votes. Kinda like how the Yankees never win the MVP award (well, that and they all suck and are pure evil, of course)

My five finalists:
1. Peterson, OU (winner)
2. Smith, OSU
3. Leak, FL
4. Quinn, ND
5. Johnson, GT

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Unread postby pup » Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:17 am

Didn't A-Rod win the MVP last year?
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Unread postby consigliere » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:22 pm

Smith's Heisman chances took a big hit with hyesterday's subpar performance. Still think he'll have a couple memorable games before the year is over, and if he is undefeated at season's end, he'll be a finalist for sure.
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Unread postby furls » Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:56 am

Only way Smith wins is if Ohio State is still relevant in the national title picture.

Just to show you how biased this crap is, the talking heads are already reinserting Brady Quinn back into the hype. If you are a quarterback and you look as bad as he has in the last 2 games, there is no way you should even be mentioned.

Troy Smith's play was not great, but it was not horrible. He did get screwed over by his receivers and the conditions were not optimal for a passing team, something they need to get over.

A lot of what OSU does in the passing game is timing based and a slow field can, and in this case did cripple them. I cannot put into words how bad the turf is at Ohio Stadium. The grass tears out in great big chunks with little effort and it was worse this week with the rain.

How bad are the field conditions? So bad that the Athletic Department is footing the bill to replace the turf and top 8 inches of the soil at a cost of about $100,000.00. They were supposed to replace it yesterday so that it would be ready for Bowling Green in 2 weeks. They are even talking about putting in field turf (artificial turf v2.0) next year.
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Unread postby pup » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:01 am

I actually think Smith helped his chances Saturday. He is NOT winning the Hiesmann based on stats, no matter what. He wins it for leading the Buckeyes. Their TD drives were both a result of Smith making plays that most QB's cannot make. The scramble on 3-12 for 15, when he left Pusalfhutysngjktski looking for his drawers and obviously the scramble and momb to Robiskie.

The other thing is none of the other contenders did anything else Saturday to overshadow him. Peterson had a decent game, Slaton was banged up, Quinn is a homo.
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Unread postby yargs7 » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:09 pm

Smith wins the Heisman if...

Ohio St stays #1. I have yet to see any reason why they won't.

He plays great in big games on a national stage(Texas, Iowa, Michigan). One down, two to go.

He has 25+ tds rushing and passing combined along with about 2800 yards. I think he had 27 TDs last year and about 2500 yards last season. That was impressive enough to make him a pre-season favorite.
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Unread postby swerb » Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:42 am

My ballot after yesterdays action ...

1. QB Troy Smith, Ohio State
2. RB Garrett Wolfe, No Ill
3. WR Calvin Johnson, Ga Tech
4. RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
5. RB Steve Slaton, West Virginia
6. WR Ted Ginn Jr, Ohio St
7. QB Chris Leak, Florida
8. RB Marshawn Lynch, Cal
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Unread postby Guest » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:41 am

Calvin Johnson should be #2, Wolfe is playing against high school teams and doesnt deserve an invite to the ceremony.

1) Troy
2) CJ
3) Peterson
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Unread postby furls » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:44 am

1.) Troy Smith, but he is by no means pulling away. I actually think the conservative nature of the Buckeyes is pulling him back to the pack.
2.) Adrian Peterson, he is awesome and gets about 30 touches a game. He will probably go over the magical 2,000 yards for the season.
3.) Calvin Johnson, best wide receiver in the country, but WR's just don't get enough touches for me.
4.) Slaton- Impressive but his schedule is only marginally better than....
5.) Wolfe- who will break all NCAA rushing records this year (against a horrible schedule).
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Unread postby swerb » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:46 pm

Current odds on sportsbook.com ...

Adrian Peterson (Oklahoma) 11-5

Brady Quinn (Notre Dame) 7-1

Calvin Johnson (Georgia Tech) 10-1

Chad Henne (Michigan) 30-1

Chris Leak (Florida) 25-1

Garrett Wolfe (Northern Illinois) 7-1

John David Booty (USC) 30-1

Kenny Irons (Auburn) 12-1

Marshawn Lynch (Cal) 25-1

Mike Hart (Michigan) 12-1

Steve Slaton (West Virginia) 7-1

Ted Ginn (Ohio State) 10-1

Troy Smith (Ohio State) 3-2
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Unread postby furls » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:00 pm

I like quinn alot at 7-1. He doesn't deserve the award, but I am still almost positive he will win it.
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Unread postby swerb » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:38 am

Furls, I think Quinn's odds have risen because it would be hard to justify giving it to him over Troy.
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Unread postby furls » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:23 am

It will not be hard for the media to justify its Notre Dame bias (giving the award to Quinn) when following the the USC game he has:

3500 yards and 40TDs.

compared against Smith's projected:

2500 yards for 29TDs.

I think Smith will deserve the award over Quinn, but it is going to be hard for the national media to not give the award to Quinn with better numbers because that is the nature of college football and its treatment of its golden boys with golden domes.

Perfect example:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/heisman06/index


Best player on best team does not win you the award and do you think Coach Tressel is going to leave Smith in to put up huge numbers in the next couple of weeks leading into Michigan? I don't, that is not his style.

Now ask yourself the converse, will "Fat Bastard" have Quinn put up huge numbers? Your goddamn right, because he is the best coach in college football and an offensive guru; just ask him, he'll tell you. I hate to be a "negative nelly" but the combination of Golden Dome + Golden Boy = Heisman as long as ND can win out.

How horrible ND looked against scUM will be long forgotten, as a matter of fact it will be a "look at how he rallied his team from the brink and led them into the BCS."
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Oct 14, 2006 6:07 pm

Adrian Peterson, out for the season ... broken collarbone.
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Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 14, 2006 10:32 pm

bummer about peterson, i think he was pbly the best player in the nation this year.
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Unread postby swerb » Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:52 am

Peterson, Garrett Wolfe (27 yards on 15 carries vs W.Mich), Chris Leak ... buh bye from the Heisman race.

And then there were five?

Troy Smith
Steve Slaton
Brady Quinn
Calvin Johnson
Marshawn Lynch

Ginn ... almost can't win with Troy on the same team, performing at such a high level, and delivering him the ball.
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Unread postby Guest » Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:45 am

Please enter Pat White
He has overshadowed Slaton a few weeks now
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Unread postby swerb » Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:48 am

This race is looking more and more like Troy Smith in a landslide if we beat scUM. If we lose, he wins in a closer race.
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Unread postby furls » Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:38 am

White will have the same issues that slaton will, "competition."

I no longer think WVU will get through this year unscathed. I think they will beat that horrid Louisville team, yes, I said it, they are HORRID. I'll tell you what, Pitt and Rutgers both look very sharp.

That Rutgers win over Navy is more significant than people would think. I have been doing well selecting Navy all year because they are MUCH better than people think. They beat Navy 34-0. I sincerely think Rutgers may run the table this year, I cannot believe i just said that.
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Unread postby pup » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:15 pm

The Navy game was close until Navy lost their QB and #1 rusher with a dislocated knee and thye never recovered.

Horrid Luoisville? Come on. They are at worst the best team in the Big Least, will stomp Pitt and WV.
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Unread postby furls » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:21 pm

After their performances against Cincinnati and Middle Tennessee you can say that with a straight face?

I can see playing Cincy close...... IN BASKETBALL, but come on
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:50 pm

Man, it hurts to look back and see those 3-2 odds on Troy from just 3 weeks ago. You can't even get odds on it anymore. :(
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Unread postby Guest » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:10 pm

Yes you can, Troy was 5-2 on Thursday
You have to look before the week starts
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:15 pm

No way in hell he was 5-2 this week. If he was, it was an error. I know the odds go off the board once play starts, and looked midweek.

I read on another message board that there were a couple online books that had him at -180 this week.
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Unread postby Guest » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:25 am

He sure was
Brady Quinn was 3-1
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Unread postby swerb » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:15 am

3-2 three weeks ago, and then 5-2 this week after all other candidates have been eliminated? With other books having him at 1-2?

I hope you put everything you own on it ... I didn't see any odds posted this week when I looked.
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Unread postby Guest » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:49 am

I have Troy at 6-1 from week 3 I think
Brady Quinn makes me sick, if the Irish run the table who knows what might happen. He has no business being mentioned.
There is no way he should be 3-1.
The trophy should be Troy's no matter what happens between now and then.
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Unread postby consigliere » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:25 pm

Quinn very well could slide in the back door.

Hey, if Troy has a mediocre game and we lose against Michigan, or an awful game, Quinn very well could get it. The one performance that really took him out of the running was his performance against Michigan weeks ago.....but if Troy were to struggle, I think Quinn would end up getting the award.

Both would have bad performances on their resume and 11-1 teams in a BCS game most likely. If that is the case, I think Quinn gets in on his stats.
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Unread postby Guest » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:53 pm

Odd are up right now on Sportsbook.com


Brady Quinn (Notre Dame) 3-1


Chad Henne (Michigan) 40-1


Erik Ainge (Tennessee) 60-1


Garrett Wolfe (Northern Illinois) 40-1


Ian Johnson (Boise State) 10-1


James Davis (Clemson) 10-1


Marshawn Lynch (Cal) 50-1


Mike Hart (Michigan) 30-1


PJ Hill (Wisconsin) 50-1


Pat White (West Virginia) 30-1


Ray Rice (Rutgers) 15-1


Steve Slaton (West Virginia) 5-2


Ted Ginn (Ohio State) 30-1


Troy Smith (Ohio State) 5-9
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Unread postby swerb » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:08 pm

That's still a pretty good bet on Troy IMO. $90 to win $50.
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Unread postby Guest » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:14 pm

I agree
That homo from ND still scares me though
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Unread postby furls » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:21 pm

Only way Quinn wins the award now is if smith gets injured or self destructs and takes OSU with him.
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Unread postby consigliere » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:34 pm

Furls wrote:Only way Quinn wins the award now is if smith gets injured or self destructs and takes OSU with him.


It all comes down to the Michigan game.

If Troy Smith has a bad game, then it sort of gives a pass for Quinn's bad game against Michigan earlier in the year......and I think Quinn might get it then (assuming Quinn does well here on out).

A lot at stake on an individual and team level on Nov 18th.
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Unread postby Guest » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:16 pm

You would think he is the favorite but who knows
Everyone is always all over ND's sack, no matter what.
If ND loses another game, he should be eliminated from the race in my eyes
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:47 am

Four guys left in the race IMO ...

Troy Smith
Brady Quinn
Ray Rice
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Unread postby consigliere » Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:07 pm

It's really down to Quinn and Smith. What Smith does against Michigan will be key. Aside from Quinn's awful game against Michigan he has ripped everyone apart. So, if Smith struggles or is mediocre against Michigan, it sort of helps give Quinn a pass on his Michigan performance and opens the door for a close Heisman finish.
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:10 pm

If Rutgers beats West V and Mich beats OSU, Rice and Hart will have a very good chance.
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Unread postby furls » Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:09 pm

The Big East has been exposed and Ray Rice really doesnt have a shot now because of it. As a sophomore he must ABSOLUTELY and OBVIOUSLY deserve it to win.

Right or Wrong if Rutgers wins out and Michigan wins, Brady Quinn takes the award.
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:38 pm

You're probably right.

Unless Quinn goes 20-46, 191 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT vs USC ...
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Unread postby swerb » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:39 am

Interesting. ESPN just updated their internal vote that they do.

Troy Smith still #1 on all 15 ballots, Quinn #2 on 14 of em. McFadden now in 3rd, and with games vs LSU and Florida left. Ray Rice in 4th. Mike Hart getting no love. And who in the sam hell gave Chris Leak a 5th place vote?

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Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame Sr. 0 14 0 1 0 56
Darren McFadden RB Arkansas So. 0 1 7 2 3 32
Ray Rice RB Rutgers So. 0 0 5 5 0 25
Colt Brennan QB Hawaii Jr. 0 0 0 3 4 10
Mike Hart RB Michigan Jr. 0 0 2 0 3 9
Steve Slaton RB West Virginia So. 0 0 1 1 0 5
Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State Jr. 0 0 0 2 0 4
Pat White QB West Virginia So. 0 0 0 2 1 3
Ian Johnson RB Boise State So. 0 0 0 0 2 2
John Beck QB BYU Sr. 0 0 0 0 1 1
Chris Leak QB Florida Sr. 0 0 0 0 1 1
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Updated from Sportsbook.com

Brady Quinn (Notre Dame) 3-1


Chris Leak (Florida) 50-1


Colt Brennan (Hawaii) 12-1


Darren McFadden (Arkansas) 11-2


Ian Johnson (Boise State) 50-1


Mike Hart (Michigan) 15-1


Pat White (West Virginia) 40-1


Ray Rice (Rutgers) 6-1


Steve Slaton (West Virginia) 15-1


Ted Ginn (Ohio State) 30-1


Troy Smith (Ohio State) 1-3
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Unread postby Guest » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:34 am

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Unread postby Guest » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:09 pm

Updated 11/21

Brady Quinn (Notre Dame) 5-1

Calvin Johnson (Georgia Tech) 15-1

Chris Leak (Florida) 50-1

Colt Brennan (Hawaii) 40-1

Darren McFadden (Arkansas) 10-1

Ian Johnson (Boise State) 80-1

Mike Hart (Michigan) 30-1

Pat White (West Virginia) 60-1

Steve Slaton (West Virginia) 8-1

Ted Ginn (Ohio State) 60-1

Troy Smith (Ohio State) 1-20
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Unread postby furls » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:03 am

I think we could go ahead and lock and delete this thread. It is over.
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Unread postby Guest » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:06 am

It better be
If Quinn goes off against USC you never know
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