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by Steve Buffum » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:53 am
by peeker643 » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:35 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:59 pm
by FUDU » Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:04 pm
by leadpipe » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:50 pm
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:Pitt often gets some pretty good recruits but ends up going nowhere. Wannstedt has a lot to do with that. The school has some tradition and won a title 30 years ago, but has not gotten back up to that level in a long time. I recall some good Pitt teams in the 1980s.That's another school that Gruden has been interested in coaching, so that may be something of interest in a few years.I don't think Wannstedt has much more time. This is his fourth year and the program has not returned to national prominence as was hoped. They are unlikely to make a bowl game and could conceivably finish below Syracuse in the Big East.Both those schools really need to look elsewhere for coaches. Greg Robinson is not a good fit for Syracuse. He doesn't tap into the local recruits as much as he should and his offense doesn't match the talent he's getting. This is his third season and the Orange may go in a different direction after it. I think that they need to.
by leadpipe » Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:52 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:25 pm
Lead Pipe wrote:Have you ever been to Pitts campus? I'm of the opinion that only the reduction of scholarships has kept them decent the last several years. With all that's available as far as TV coverage and so forth elsewhere.... l'll just say this, if you are going to get more than a few homegrown big time players you better be able to RECRUIT. And I'm not talking RECRUIT. I mean RECRUIT.
by furls » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:08 pm
No, haven't been to Pitt's campus. They do play in a nice facility, though.
They do fairly well in western PA, though they could stand to strengthen their presence in NE Ohio.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:28 pm
Furls wrote:Everyone has nice facilities now.
They don't get the really good players out of WPa. Those guys are still ending up elsewhere. I don't think you have to get "Elite" prospects to win in the NCAA, you have to develop the players you have. Pittsburgh is not.
The fact that they are going to Fl for recruits underscores the problem, they are not getting the better players in their own area. Central and Western PA has plenty of good talent, Pittsburgh just can't get it.
by furls » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:39 pm
by Hi Oktane » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:53 pm
Peeker643 wrote:Going for it and throwing on 3rd and 4th down form inside the two was flat out stupid.
by leadpipe » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:07 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:09 pm
Furls wrote:I hate the "star" system, but it is convenient here in this case....In order to succeed on any kind of national stage, you must first be good enough to get your own regional elite talent. You must at least be able to be seriously in the running for the 5* kids in your own area. If you are not, then why in the hell would good players from outside your region come? So Pittsburgh is left "prospecting" for Florida passovers (guys whom most of the major programs have picked through) to fill their roster.Meanwhile guys from their own backyard, like Terrelle Pryor, go elsewhere.Playing in an NFL stadium is not as a big a draw as you think. What impresses the players are the work out/practice facilities. Playing in the stadium is a once a week thing, but as long as the stadium is big enough to bring in the big crowd for Saturdays, then it is good enough. What wows recruits are NFL draft picks, national exposure, success, and facilities.http://www.dispatch.com/live/foundation ... orts&tot=9http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2007/0 ... woody.html
by Bayou Tribe » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:03 pm
by Steve Buffum » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:43 pm
by leadpipe » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:49 pm
Steve Buffum wrote:(3) Dave Wannstedt is not your coach.
by Apex777 » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:57 pm
by leadpipe » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:11 pm
Apex777 wrote:It's been stated that Pitt is not getting the "big talent" that some feel they should be able to recruit. Would anyone care to expound on why they believe this happens?
by furls » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:55 pm
by Steve Buffum » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:06 pm
Furls wrote:Here is a quick recap:
by furls » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:19 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:00 pm
Furls wrote:4.) Recent success: By my count, Pittsburgh is about the 5th best program in its own conference. It is not easy to sell guys with a lot of options on a team that does not succeed. These kids only get one shot at going with a team (unless they are willing to forego a year of eligibility and can find a team willing to let them transfer in), would you gamble?
by furls » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:19 pm
Maybe from a program perspective they are fifth best overall, but falling fast. I'd say they are sinking towards seventh and maybe eighth if Syracuse can pull things together.
by leadpipe » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:21 pm
by furls » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:25 pm
They might be wise to pursue Dan Mullen from UF before others go crazy after the guy. Of course Syracuse could also show an interest and he was a grad assistant there. I think a lot of schools might go after the young assistants on Urban Meyer's staff.
by furls » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:26 pm
He was the original "nationally embarrassed guy on draft day"
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:17 am
Furls wrote:There are a couple of good teams in that conference, and then you can flush the rest of the entire league down the shitter, just like every other conference in the country this year besides the SEC and PAC-10.
by e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:24 pm
by furls » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:38 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:37 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Things you can count on during college football season:1) Mac obsessing over the state of Florida and turning every thread into a Florida vs. the world argument.
2) Mac acting like the Big East matters. Did you hear WV is the fastest team ever, they did sign a few Florida players after all.....?
3) Mac worshiping the SEC because Florida is in it.
4) Mac suddenly becoming a scUM fan again if they are playing well. "The best rushing defense ever."
5) Mac making a college football board almost unreadable.
There is a similar list involving basketball, trading Larry Hughes to Orlando, Cito Gaston, and Disney world in case if anyone wants it.
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