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by FUDU » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:49 pm
by FUDU » Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:05 am
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:06 am
FUDU wrote:I think it is safe to say college football is up for grabs.While I type this LSU is still trailing Fla by 3 with 6 minutes left, whether or not that games stays the same I think it is fair and reasonable to say our Buckeyes are on equal footing with anybody in the country after their shutout of Purdue tonight.B/C they did shut them out.
The argument can now be made for 3 or 4 teams to be ranked number one IMO.
With the recent losses of OK, WVU, Fla, USC and possibly LSU there is not a team out there that has shown the complete domination of a unanimous number one.
Not to be a homer but the one unit that has been most consistently impressive this year has been OSU's defense. Granted they have not played the toughest offenses every week but the bottom line is that D is dominating everyone in every aspect of the game. I've mentioned this all year, this defense is top notch and totally legit. Not a better one in the country, and when ever you can say that you can say you have shot at the title.
Now, there is a ton of football left and my point here isn't to prematurely label anybody as anything, but premature labels are this year's flavor in college football.This appears like it will get extremely interesting in the next month and most likely will not be more than one undefeated team in the mix come late November.What are the rankings going to look like Monday morning?LSU CalOSUor CalOSU LSU/Flaor even LSUOSU CalorOSUCalFla/LSUCal could drop one due to being idle, after all USC did. I am not a fan of that but you never know.LSU just took lead with less than a minute left.Just a great season so far.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:07 am
FUDU wrote:It can only look like this:LSUCalOSUor LSUOSUCalGreat game by both LSU and Fla.
by furls » Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:30 am
LSU and Florida seem to me to clearly be the class of college football.
Shame because Florida is better than Cal or Ohio State. They probably won't get another shot at LSU because it'll be hard to win the SEC East with two losses.
BTW, last I checked Ohio State did not shut out Purdue. They did for much of the game, but Purdue got a score and more people are watching the UF/LSU game. Many voters may not realize how good Ohio State looked on defense. There's still the pesky problem of them beating Purdue - a team that was exposed and is not all that great.
Not really solid arguments outside of the LSU/UF winner.
Purdue will be out of the Top 25 after tonight and Wisconsin could be out of it by the time you play them. This is going to significantly hurt the Buckeyes down the road when schedule strength factors into the BCS. I can almost guarantee that if there are three teams left undefeated at the end of the season and Ohio State is one of them along with LSU and another that Ohio State will likely get left out in the cold because that horrible schedule will come back to bite them in the ass.
that horrible schedule
OSU is fast for a Big Ten team, but they don't look SEC fast.
by FUDU » Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:31 am
LSU has now won the game. They are #1 and there's no question about it.
I can almost guarantee that if there are three teams left undefeated at the end of the season and Ohio State is one of them along with LSU and another that Ohio State will likely get left out in the cold because that horrible schedule will come back to bite them in the ass.
Ohio State may jump over Cal because of Big Ten homers voting in the AP poll
The SEC is light-years beyond any other conference. The more I see of it the more it becomes obvious. Flipping between the OSU/Purdue and the LSU/UF game, you could really see the speed difference. OSU is fast for a Big Ten team, but they don't look SEC fast.
LSU is #1 until proven otherwise, but I dont think they are as far ahead of the pack as everyone thought at first.
by FUDU » Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:56 am
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:11 am
FUDU wrote:Go ahead and say it, you know you want to, say it, USF. The whole world knows how that would play out if USF and OSU were both undefeated behind LSU.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:13 am
Furls wrote:Florida is a one trick pony this year and I am not sure that they could keep up scoring with Cal and I am not sure that their trick would be effective with OSU. You have your opinion and it is what it is, you found a way to find 15 teams in the country that you think are better than the team that will be no worse than #3 at the end of the week. The list is pretty ridiculous, but it is what it is, a measure of how jaded your opinion is.
Right on there, except I think Purdue is better than you are giving them credit for. It looks like Ohio State's defense has actually faced some pretty good offenses this year and has done a pretty good job on them.
Purdue will be out that is true, but they will be back. They are a good team. Illinois will finish the year in the top 15, besides, it does not matter, there will not be 3 undefeated teams left at the end of the year.
Strength of schedule ibears very liitle weight in the BCS, that is one of the big travesties of the entire system. It is better to play a weak ass Big East schedule and go undefeated than play a strong SEC schedule and take a loss. The polls carry MUCH of the weight.
Nice, are they Big East fast? or just ACC fast?
by furls » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:39 am
Because I do think that there are at least 15 teams better.
If you were Purdue, Illinois, or even USF with that schedule could you keep a straight face and tell me you'd be considered as a title contender.
I find that funny and I STILL believe that WVU would beat Ohio State.
I just find it funny that you deride other teams for their conference or their schedule and try to prop up your Buckeyes and then have the audacity to call me jaded. I'm not impressed with the Big Ten and have stated it. I think it is the weakest BCS conference based on observation for this season and over the past few years. All of our opinions have some bias. Yours is certainly as biased as mine, if not more-so. Yet you call out others and fail to look in the mirror and always claim that you know more than us.
For the record, I called out Troy Smith and your Buckeyes last year and was abused by Buckeyes fans prior to the Florida game. They were strangely silent afterwards.
There's a reason why Ohio State is a bigtime joke down in the south. Of course, the goobers who call in after bowl losses and claim that they still should be #1 don't help you either.
25% or so.
We've already got all of the teams that moved to the ACC thinking about coming back in. The ACC didn't turn out to be the superconference in football that they expected it to be.
by leadpipe » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:54 am
by Bayou Tribe » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:16 am
by FUDU » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:06 pm
There's a reason why Ohio State is a bigtime joke down in the south.
Of course, the goobers who call in after bowl losses and claim that they still should be #1 don't help you either.
Florida would still beat the living piss out of you guys. They would have done it 10/10 times last year too.
You can say that UF is a one trick pony all you want. They have more talent and a far better coach.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:55 pm
FUDU wrote:first off nice post by Lead.Lot of reason there, and lots of truth. Like he said few teams have any chance left of running the table, and running the table is the best chance any team has for a shot at the NC. If a team doesn't take care of its business that is all on themselves.I wasn't aware of any claims of OSU or any other big time program dodging USF, that is simply just funny. I'll just say this, what interest in USF would OSU have if and when they already have commitments and contracts signed with Texas, USC, ND, UM, FSU, and I believe but not sure OK.
Well put it out there, explain in detail why you would think a WV match up is bad for OSU? There is very little that we can all look at that would back up such a claim. so enlighten us and break it down.
BS mac. You're just making that claim b/c you live in the south and the main hub of Buckeye fans and buzz about OSU hovers around OHIO and NE Ohio, so you think nobody knows the difference I got news for you, I have plenty of family in Fla and visit every few years, OSU is actually some what popular down there. Plenty of fan support, transplants mostly of course. Not a big share of the market compared to FSU, the Gators or UM but there is no where near the attitude of which you claim. I've watched college football while in sports bars in Fla and OSU is not looked at as anything other than an out of state big time football school for the most part.
Do you even read what you post?This is EXACTLY what you are claiming should be happening with Florida right now.
See this is why few take your college football talk serious. If things are not going the way of your interests, or the teams you despise have their way you revert back to the most recent example of failure for those teams you despise (often a season or more from past history) to attempt to make a point about things that transpire in the present season. Florida and OSU played once time last year. Florida won with no problem.
From that you come up with these childish "they would have beat you 10 out of 10 times and would still kick your ass" remarks that expose your entire purpose in these discussion as simply to show your bias. There isn't 1 college football expert in the WORLD that would even remotely agree with about Fla winning 10 of 10 against the Buckeyes last year and you know it, but enough with that b/c that was 2006.
But what is even funnier and actually more lame is that you allow 2006 to roll into 2007 for your bias interests only with claims that Florida would still kick OSU's ass. Why? There is little from this 2007 season to back that up either. Maybe Fla will have their chance to prove it if they can win out and a bunch of other teams lose 1 or 2 more games. Meanwhile for OSU to get to that point and possibly be waiting for Fla they simply need to win out, something Fla has no hope of doing. They have no control over their own destiny. Week 6 and the Gators are staring at lottery type odds to get to the NC.
Interesting how you didn't finish that sentence. More talent and a better coach then whom? Louisville, yeah no doubt. Kansas State, sure. auburn, I bet.
Continue to base on your POV on single game performances from seasons past. If Cal wins the whole thing this year I suppose next season you will be touting them as the ones who would kick OSU's ass, 10 out of 10 times, and they will have the far better coach and far better talent in your eyes, better than ...well you won't go so far to say but it will certainly be better than one team that is for sure.
....and yeah you still sticking to your "the reason I don't follow michigan anymore is b/c I don't follow college football much anymore" claims?
by FUDU » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:27 pm
Their defense is also better and faster than anything Ohio State has seen this season, no matter how much you may think differently.
Because most people are polite. I know you're used to dickhead fans up in Ohio who like to antagonize others, but we tend to be polite. Listen to local sportsradio when Ohio State is in town and hear what people think about them. Better, call up sportsradio and see ho you get treated. Do it down here, in Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Nashville, etc. I've listened in them all and heard them ALL laugh at how silly Ohio State fans are. They are the clowns of college football. There's a reason I'm not a fan and it's because of assholes who antagonize when you try to be polite with them. That was by far the worst campus I visited when I was looking at what schools to go to. I was pretty ambivalent at that time, but when you realize what pieces of shit a lot of Ohio State fans can be (present company excepted) you start to not care for them much. I feel the same way about Yankees fans and old school Hurricane fans.
If they played pussy like you did then they'd be alright, but then no one would really know how good they are.
Wow, you are ignorant. Every college football expert I heard said that Florida would have went 10/10
Then whom? It's than.
by leadpipe » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:50 pm
by jfiling » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:22 pm
by Bayou Tribe » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:11 pm
by FUDU » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:28 pm
by furls » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:55 pm
Hey, congratulations on playing pussy! You've got a toughy against Kent State coming up. Hope you don't look past them with that BIG GAME against Michigan State coming up! They're a toughy too.
by FUDU » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:18 pm
by yargs7 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:50 pm
Furls wrote:I have neither the time nor the inclination to waste any more energy on a guy who's sole purpose is to just hate.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to waste any more energy on a guy who's sole purpose is to just hate.
by neoleo » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:56 am
Mr. MacPhisto wrote: Hey, congratulations on playing pussy! You've got a toughy against Kent State coming up. Hope you don't look past them with that BIG GAME against Michigan State coming up! They're a toughy too. Hey, how many top 25 teams have you beaten that are still ranked? Just because you schedule creampuffs and can win out against them doesn't necessarily make you the best team in the country. It may come back to haunt you when voters realize towards the end of the season that you've played nobody. You might as well join the MAC with how much you love those teams and use the excuse "we want to keep our money in Ohio!".
NEOLeo wrote: Going 5-0 is a good feat, no doubt about it, butbefore we use that as a measuring stick, lets lookinto the numbers a bit. Louisville (11-1 entering bowl game) wins over WakeForrest (11-2 entering bowl). Louisville was a top 10team all year (finished 6th) and they matched up withan upstart Wake team (ranked 18th, good but not top10) from a down ACC (no VA Tech, no Miami, etc.) West Virginia (10-2) over Georgia Tech (9-4). Again, atop 10 team all year vs. a down ACC team. WVA finishesranked 10th, GA Tech unranked. Rutgers (10-2) over Kansas State (7-5). Kansas Stateis all I have to say. Rutgers finishes ranked 12th. South Florida (8-4) over ECU (7-5). This one is moreevenly matched, although S. FL has shown signs ofbecoming a good program. Cincinnati (7-5) over Western Michigan (8-4). Anotherpretty evenly matched game, although Cincinnati's winover Rutgers trumps anything WMU did all year. Again, winning is what's important, but I'd say theBig East had a pretty good draw last bowl season.Three top 12 teams and only one of them played aranked team, and that team finished 18th nationally(and GA Tech was without their starting QB).
Mr. MacPhisto wrote: Too bad most of the national media aren't agreeing. I'm thinking the same about the Big Ten. Pretty soon you'll be on the level with the MAC if this keeps up. You guys love playing those guys so much maybe that's good.
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:The Big Ten is long term going to be the weakest BCS school. A couple really bad seasons and we should think about throwing it out of the equation. You need to win some of those bowl game first please, and not against Notre Dame.
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:Things are changing. Notre Dame, one of the traditional powerhouses, has fallen. Best be careful that it doesn't happen to Ohio State and the other teams. You're already a national joke after your showing last year. Ohio State's defeat did more damage to the Big Ten's rep than you probably think, but I hear it a lot down here and when I travel to other areas of the country. Sure, Big Ten fans talk big about their conference, but things aren't looking good.
by Bayou Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:00 pm
LSU's offense is a bit of a mystery to me. They don't seem to have as explosive a running game (or back) that you would expect, but I have not watched every minute of all their games so I may be missing something.
by neoleo » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:41 pm
Bayou Tribe wrote:And this weekend we'll get our best offensive weapon back in WR Early Doucet. I honestly think that when healthy he improves the offensive flow tremendously. I've watched LSU produce about 4 first round wideouts in the past 5 or so years and he is definitely a top round draft pick. So hopefully that gets the ball rolling.
by Bayou Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:41 pm
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