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by furls » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:40 pm
by FUDU » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:14 am
by peeker643 » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:18 am
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:44 am
by furls » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:22 am
by furls » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:25 am
While Minnesota is bad, it was still significant that FAU defeated them. They are growing quickly under Schnellenberger, the man who built Miami. FIU is the furthest back and entered I-A too quickly because the Sunbelt begged them to move up, but there's potential.
Their near miss versus Texas was impressive and George O'Leary is a good coach.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:05 am
Furls wrote:Minnesota is not just bad, they are epically bad. In the future, poets and minstrels will sing about how horrific this Minnesota team is; they are actually Northwestern bad. THat is a level of shittiness that I normally reserve only for ummm, Northwestern five years out of six.
Hate to sound like a doubting Thomas here, but Texas is not very good either. They may actually be completely exposed as early as today. I watched that UCF/Texas game and the Knights played pretty well, but it was also pretty apparent that Texas is barely a top 25 team (if they even are a top 25). I cannot remember a year when the pollsters were so absolutely wrong going into the season.
by swerb » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:06 am
by furls » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:53 am
it is still significant when a school like FAU in the Sunbelt defeats a Big Ten team.
You know my feelings on the Big Ten and I'm of the belief that no team in that conference belongs anywhere near the top 10.
I'll believe in Ohio State when they actually play somebody.
Honestly, I'm uncertain of any teams outside of USC, LSU, and Oklahoma at this point in the top 10. LSU really looks to me like the best team in the country right now and by a fairly wide margin.
The Cincy games does scare me.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:14 am
Furls wrote:Yep, it puts them in elite company with BGSU.
I would be interested in seeing that top 10.
That has been my take on the Big East since all the top tier programs bolted for the ACC. I am still waiting for anyone in that conference to beat a good team.
I guess WVU's win a couple of years ago over Georgia is about the closest they have come. I cannot fault USF for putting Auburn on the schedule (nor Louisville for Miami's bad play last year), but the fact remains, that no one in that conference has really beat anyone.
Agree 100% with all aspects of that including the exclusion of Florida. The Gators are good, but I am not really sure how good. I don't think we will know much about Florida until after they play KY and GA. I think that they will get beat handely by LSU, so much so that we still really won't know much about them. If the Gators honestly think Tebow up the middle will be effective against LSU, well....
Unless USF figures out some offense in the near future, that game should scare you. As for Grothe, the intereceptions were bad, but his accuracy just wasn't there. He is just a sophomore, so there is still plenty of time for improvement, but he will have to play better against better competition (Like Cincy).
I love how folks are terming this game a great upset. It really isn't if you pay attention, in any case it was a great win for your guys Mac.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:27 am
Swerb wrote:Mac, congrads to the Bulls. Musta been great to be there last night. I had em +7 and was clicking back and forth all night between that and the baseball games on.They could have won that game by about 40.
by furls » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:13 am
I'm of the belief that no team in that conference belongs anywhere near the top 10. I'll believe in Ohio State when they actually play somebody.
by furls » Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:41 pm
Well, does Auburn count yet? What if they beat LSU?
What if they beat LSU?
Do you think Ohio State could have beaten UF in the Swamp? I don't think they could.
How does the Georgia game not count for WVU in a time before Slaton? Georgia was the SEC champ. I'm sure you would have chocked it up as a big win if Ohio State got it. West Virginia managed to do something your program has NEVER done - beat a SEC team in a bowl game.
You dog WVU and the Big East even though your own favorite program has not accomplished the same feat.
Did you really think Auburn would win tonight?
I agree on that point. I think his choices were poor. I don't know what the broadcast showed because I haven't watched it, but on a few plays in the red zone he locked in on a receiver and threw into double or triple coverage, getting picked off at least once (can't remember specifically). At least twice there was a guy wide open on the sideline who could have slowly walked into the end zone. In both of those cases he had time to go through his progressions.
I think the "upset" stuff comes from the newness of the program to the scene and the newness of us in the BCS.
...has been more successful than the ACC in football since the ACC raided the Big East.
Cincy is a team on the move.
Louisville has been horrible on defense this year, but that team does have potential moving forward and they've been solid since Schnellenberger rebuilt them.
I see the Big East getting better going forward.
Maybe if things swing right we can face your Buckeyes in the BCS title game and see if we can't make you guys REALLY hate teams from Florida. You might then find that it's the peninsula to the south of you that you need to be worried about instead of the one up north, though Les Miles in Ann Arbor might be a problem.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:45 pm
Furls wrote:OK, I'll be more clear, show me your top 15 with no Big Ten Teams "anywhere near the top 10." Hell, I would even have to put 2 Big East teams in my Top 15 simply because it requires 15 teams and there aren't that many good ones in the Big Ten, Pac 10, Big 12, and SEC. The ACC is a trainwreck, so I may not actually have an ACC team in the top 15.
by furls » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:11 pm
Well I should have just said top 10. That really changes after today due to losses with half the top ten. I still wouldn't put Wisconsin in the top 10. I'd probably rate OSU #9 or #8.
And then there are the Sagarin conference ratings that use the statistical data. The Big Ten is next to last in the BCS conferences as only the ACC is worse. Big East is #3. A little bit of statistical vindication, but I had that last year when the Big East was rated higher than the Big Ten in Sagarin as well.
Notice that Ohio State's schedule is ranked 60th while USF and West Virginia's is rated higher.
by furls » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:19 pm
The ELO-CHESS is the category that is used for the BCS poll. Notice that USF is ranked #3 there and Ohio State #8.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:56 pm
Furls wrote:ok, whats your point again? That the Big East is overrated? I agree. That the Big Ten is not very good this year? I agree.
Who was it that said that Ohio State played a tough schedule. I said that USF and WVU have played a weak one, and I stand by that claim today. I guess the fact that the Big East's three "best" teams have all already suffered losses just further proves the point.
Right now the Big East is built on a house of cards that is rapidly collapsing. Someone has to win the games and it looks like it will be USF and Cincinnati.
It is pretty funny that you are talking all kinds of shit about how great the Big East because Auburn won a game, like that somehow vindicates a conference whose 2 highest ranked teams were manhandled this weekend.
by furls » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:22 pm
No, my point is that the Big East is better than the Big Ten. Statistical analysis has bared that out over the past two years.
How so if people were rating our "three biggies" high anyways?
Michigan was one of the biggies for the Big Ten and how good are they? Penn State? I'm not a believer in Wisconsin who nearly got beat by a team that Pitt took to the wire. Ohio State has not played anyone nearly as good as Auburn or West Virginia.
Too bad most of the national media aren't agreeing.
Pretty soon you'll be on the level with the MAC if this keeps up. You guys love playing those guys so much maybe that's good.
The Big Ten is long term going to be the weakest BCS school. A couple really bad seasons and we should think about throwing it out of the equation. You need to win some of those bowl game first please, and not against Notre Dame.
As for Rutgers being manhandled - did you even pay attention to that game.
I still think them better than a lot of Big Ten teams.
think the Big Ten has been the worst BCS conference over the past few years and that it's just getting worse.
Best be careful that it doesn't happen to Ohio State and the other teams. You're already a national joke after your showing last year.
Ohio State's defeat did more damage to the Big Ten's rep than you probably think, but I hear it a lot down here and when I travel to other areas of the country.
by FUDU » Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:30 pm
As for my Top 15 looking at who I think would be beat teams behind them:
I think all the teams ranked above OSU would be up to the task of beating them
by neoleo » Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:16 am
NEOLeo wrote: Going 5-0 is a good feat, no doubt about it, butbefore we use that as a measuring stick, lets lookinto the numbers a bit. Louisville (11-1 entering bowl game) wins over WakeForrest (11-2 entering bowl). Louisville was a top 10team all year (finished 6th) and they matched up withan upstart Wake team (ranked 18th, good but not top10) from a down ACC (no VA Tech, no Miami, etc.) West Virginia (10-2) over Georgia Tech (9-4). Again, atop 10 team all year vs. a down ACC team. WVA finishesranked 10th, GA Tech unranked. Rutgers (10-2) over Kansas State (7-5). Kansas Stateis all I have to say. Rutgers finishes ranked 12th. South Florida (8-4) over ECU (7-5). This one is moreevenly matched, although S. FL has shown signs ofbecoming a good program. Cincinnati (7-5) over Western Michigan (8-4). Anotherpretty evenly matched game, although Cincinnati's winover Rutgers trumps anything WMU did all year. Again, winning is what's important, but I'd say theBig East had a pretty good draw last bowl season.Three top 12 teams and only one of them played aranked team, and that team finished 18th nationally(and GA Tech was without their starting QB).
Mr. MacPhisto wrote: Too bad most of the national media aren't agreeing. I'm thinking the same about the Big Ten. Pretty soon you'll be on the level with the MAC if this keeps up. You guys love playing those guys so much maybe that's good.
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:The Big Ten is long term going to be the weakest BCS school. A couple really bad seasons and we should think about throwing it out of the equation. You need to win some of those bowl game first please, and not against Notre Dame.
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:Things are changing. Notre Dame, one of the traditional powerhouses, has fallen. Best be careful that it doesn't happen to Ohio State and the other teams. You're already a national joke after your showing last year. Ohio State's defeat did more damage to the Big Ten's rep than you probably think, but I hear it a lot down here and when I travel to other areas of the country. Sure, Big Ten fans talk big about their conference, but things aren't looking good.
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