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Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:53 pm

Gotta be RG3 after that performance last week

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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby pup » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:01 pm

I still think the guy who has a great shot at breaking the single season TD record, running for 1700+ yards and his team lost 2 games, both on last minute chucks gets my vote.

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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:04 pm

Gotta go with RG3.

That Baylor team wins like four games without him. Single most important player to his teams final win/loss on the season.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:06 pm

pup wrote:I still think the guy who has a great shot at breaking the single season TD record, running for 1700+ yards and his team lost 2 games, both on last minute chucks gets my vote.


Ball also has the most impact of any of those guys in terms of conference games. RGIII had a few blowouts to pad his stats. Luck lost his big game. Richardson was shutdown a couple times in conference.

Ball's the only one who played in a conference championship game.

Six combined TDs in two games v. Michigan State for Ball. He'd get my vote.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:13 pm

Is this thread about who deserves it, or how we think the vote is going to go to.

Cause I think Luck had this vote won at the start of the season, unless he did something to lose it, which I don't think he did.

I will say this, I really wouldn't get bent if any of this years finalists won it.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:21 pm

leadpipe wrote:I will say this, I really wouldn't get bent if any of this years finalists won it.


My thought too.

Can justify any of them winning.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:57 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Gotta go with RG3.

That Baylor team wins like four games without him. Single most important player to his teams final win/loss on the season.


I kinda had this in thought.

Think about it. RG3 almost lead Baylor to a BCS GAME.

Honey Badger may have been amazing, but you take him off LSU and they could still very well be in the BCS Title game at this very moment.

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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby JCoz » Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:30 am

e0y2e3 wrote:Gotta go with RG3.

That Baylor team wins like four games without him. Single most important player to his teams final win/loss on the season.


Does that mean Luck would have done appreciably worse in RG3's shoes? Not sure about that...

No matter, I agree with your choice, RG3 would be mine.

But I can honestly say I also agree that I wouldn't be offended at any of them winning, can't remember too many years like that either.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:00 am

e0y2e3 wrote:Gotta go with RG3.

That Baylor team wins like four games without him. Single most important player to his teams final win/loss on the season.


You're right about that, he was the most important player to his team, and I guess that should figure into it. But the trophy is supposed to go to the player who had the best year, right? I have a hard time discouning other players for the simple fact that their team would have still been good without them. A STRONG case can definitely be made to RG3, but my vote is going to Ball.

I'll probably change my mind 5 times before the ceremony.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:52 am

I cannot, via stats alone, decree a superior season between Ball and RG3. Hell, even Richardson on just a stat basis (considering SEC supremecy) is up there.

I can decree that no single player won more games for his team than RG3.

That's all I'm thinking here.

And no, I don't believe Baylor is as good with Luck.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby pup » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:14 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:I cannot, via stats alone, decree a superior season between Ball and RG3. Hell, even Richardson on just a stat basis (considering SEC supremecy) is up there.

I can decree that no single player won more games for his team than RG3.

That's all I'm thinking here.

And no, I don't believe Baylor is as good with Luck.


Agreed.

But I also do not think Stanford is as good with RG3. They are both in the right places for what they have.

And only one guy, this year, is having an all time record breaking season. That gets my vote.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby fundamentals » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:45 pm

The media wanted Luck to win it.
The media will still more than likely vote him as the winner.
My vote would be 1. Ball 2. Griffin 3. Luck
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby danwismar » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:08 pm

Hard for a non-QB to win it, but Ball would get my vote.

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Ingram in 2009
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:47 pm

Who cares who the committee gives the Heisman to this year b/c they'll be giving it to Braxton Miller for the next 3.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:09 pm

"Ron Pawless will win 4 Heisman Trophies at Notre Dame"

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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby danwismar » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:05 pm

stiffarmtrophy.com , a site that has correctly predicted the last nine straight Heisman winners says it's all but over. Griffin will win it.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:26 pm

Money has been absolutely pouring in on RGIII in the betting market for the last few days.

Seems to be a foregone conclusion on RGIII. Weird that places are even taking bets on it when the votes have already been cast.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby swerb » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:02 pm

R

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Heisman Trophy Winner. Next Browns QB.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:12 pm

swerb wrote:R

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Heisman Trophy Winner. Next Browns QB.



If the Browns are set up high enuff to get RG, then Michael Floyd is in the picture for the 2nd 1st

I cold live with that...as long as you ban SD
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby pup » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:47 am

Someone needs to explain to me, without using the initials SEC, how in the hell Trent Richardson beats Montee Ball by 600 votes.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:13 am

pup wrote:Someone needs to explain to me, without using the initials SEC, how in the hell Trent Richardson beats Montee Ball by 600 votes.


I was wondering that myself......

Superior competition?
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby furls » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:35 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
pup wrote:Someone needs to explain to me, without using the initials SEC, how in the hell Trent Richardson beats Montee Ball by 600 votes.


I was wondering that myself......

Superior competition?


Superior hype.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:01 am

Dude even got beat out by Richardson for the Doak Walker....
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby pup » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:11 pm

More yards, more carries, higher YPC, almost 2x the TD.

More catches. More yards recieving. (I think on these, too lazy to check).

Threw a TD.

Played well in both losses.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:03 pm

furls wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
pup wrote:Someone needs to explain to me, without using the initials SEC, how in the hell Trent Richardson beats Montee Ball by 600 votes.


I was wondering that myself......

Superior competition?


Superior hype.


My theory is voters care infintely less the farther down the list they go.

I think if you put Richardson and Ball heads up, as the frontrunners, you might have a different vote.

Furls is correct about the hype, ILO, but I think it's magnified in this case cause people are deciding between 3rd and 4th or 4th and 5th, and it's easy just to plug guys in there. I'd be willing to bet many voters analyzed quite a bit more betwenn RG and Green, because it was for all the marbles.

Or I don't know shit about shit.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:06 pm

Who is Green?
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:29 am

[quote="Cerebral_DownTime"]Who is Green?[/quo

Not quite sure myself.

Meant Luck.
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:24 am

Monte Ball pimps should take another look at the title of this thread.....

I think you're all a bunch of Big 10 wonks who denegrate the SEC because its makes OSU look lesser

JMHO

You can throw stats around all day if you want but, I haven't seen anyone whining over Ball post who Bama has played vs Wisky
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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby danwismar » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:26 pm

Various reactions to Heisman announcement at Baylor and around Waco...not much else going on, I guess... (they could have checked at stiffarmtrophy.com a few days before, and spared themselves all the suspense)

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Re: Hypeman Trophy

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:40 pm

Freaking awesome

Its nice to see an 'outsider' school get the rec and real happy for the baylor kids and the school

..and he's no Lawrence Phillips
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