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by furls » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:27 pm
by danwismar » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:08 pm
by FUDU » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:14 pm
by danwismar » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:28 pm
FUDU wrote:We don't have anything close to an AJ Hawk on this D right now.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:34 pm
FUDU wrote:That's a bold statement Furls b/c the 2005 D was very very good, and I don't think enough recognition to AJ Hawk, as a/the big reason why, is being given here. We don't have anything close to an AJ Hawk on this D right now.
by FUDU » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:38 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:46 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:26 pm
by furls » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:47 pm
by furls » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:50 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:53 pm
by danwismar » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:07 pm
by furls » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:09 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:From what I read around here from our recruiting gurus, we have an embarrassment of riches at LB.Maybe Sweat or Klein will be that guy.
by JCoz » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:08 am
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:22 pm
JCoz wrote:Well I think the big difference between what I think and you do furls is the opinion of the secondary. I need to see it to believe that Roby, Johnson, and Barnett are going to be as good as you are writing about here. If they are that certainly changes the dynamics of the defense. I agree that we should have improvement on the Dline. Williams has been a dissapointment so far however, and we have little behind him. I don't think people are going to run on this defense but I'm not seeing a whole lot of sacks from the Dline rushing 4. That would be where the secondary comes in. That and bringing sweat and/or Moeller off the edge.Still need to see something from Sabino before I believe it as well. Klein was ahead of him last I saw, and Furls I have a hard time seeing starting LBers sans Klien in 2012. It would be nice to see Shazier be a breakout player at SAM, we haven't had a good SAM since Carpenter. Sweat was awful there last season in limited action. He is a liabilty at SAM and an all big ten caliber Will. Moeller I thought was the best player on the defense last season when he was playing, and that was with one arm. Looking forward to seeing him, really hoping for a relatively heathy season for him.
by JCoz » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:44 pm
The secondary will be as good as we have seen since the Bucks featured Winfield, Plummer and Clements. The corners/safeties will allow this defense to attack in a way that we havent seen since 2005.
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:00 pm
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:03 pm
by JCoz » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:09 pm
furls wrote:Don't get me wrong, I was very clear in saying that I don't think Sabino is the answer, but I would also argue that Klein is clearly not the answer as well. He has not been a serious contender for PT yet since coming to the program 3 years ago. He has always trailed Sabino on the depth chart and I see no reason to believe that will change. To me it is pretty obvious that neither are guys that "have to see the field." I am not buying the Sabino now either. I think if Sabino loses his job it will be to Grant or Shazier. I could definitely see Grant, who is the most physically ready to play, screaming up the depth chart as he gets his feet under him during practice this year.Sweat has been impressive since coming to the program and was pushing for PT as a true sophomore with plenty of camp buzz. He was in the two deep as a soph and was doing well before being lost for the second half of the year to injury. I think Sweat was on track to seize that job going into last year until he was injured. Coming off the injury with limited reps in spring camp and limited run in fall camp allowed the job to fall to the incumbent.
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:11 pm
by danwismar » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:15 pm
by danwismar » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:19 pm
by JCoz » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:19 pm
danwismar wrote:The big question at the start of camp was which one of Klein or Sabino would stay on the field when Moeller came on in the nickel...and in practices and scrimmages to this point, the answer to that question has been Sabino.
by JCoz » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:22 pm
danwismar wrote:Ask any OSU beat writer which secondary player has made the biggest leap into this year, and to a man, they will say it's O.J.He looks bigger, faster, more physical....more confident. Again, you'll see it too...as soon as the action starts. I think some of Furls' reservations will be put to rest.
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:22 pm
by danwismar » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:39 pm
furls wrote:Dan,All things are relative. OSU fans are spoiled as they are used to have AAs at LB, and Homan and Rolle were not. Good players, just unremarkable from an OSU stand point. As a matter of fact, I will have a hard time remembering the starting LBs in 2 or 3 years. I am not concerned about the team being able to pressure the QB, they will on every down, my concern is in their ability to make the plays in the backfield without blitzing instead of having the QB chuck it out of bounds. Loss of down is nice, loss of down with a seven yard loss is a drive killer.
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:01 pm
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:07 pm
by danwismar » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:23 pm
by noles1 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:57 pm
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:02 pm
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:04 pm
noles1 wrote:As an update, I did read last week that NYG coaches have been raving about Greg Jones throughout their camp. Sometimes it can be just one of those things nationally that gets hidden or lost how talented players are.Read the same of Cameron Heyward out of Pittsburgh camp and yet some of the other prospects picked ahead of him have struggled. Albeit early and the real proof still to be shown but it's actually fascinating sometimes to see which players ultimately make waves and those that don't. Casey Matthews being another in Philly.Homan always struck me as a solid player but came up short to some of the past AA stature. Rolle was basically always undersized and made up for his defiencies with heart and determination, only problem is his weaknesses were so easily exploited by Wisconsin (power) or SEC types (speed) and I say that with those teams being on the college football upper echelon for each.My points are somewhat digressions from your discussion but enjoyin the points made.
by furls » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:09 pm
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