Dispatch: NCAA Penalties Could Be Severe

[mattvan1]

I'm still perplexed as to why a legacy program like tOSU would go all in on the Larry Brown of CFB.

Because he's an Ohioan?

[peeker643]

I'm still perplexed as to why a legacy program like tOSU would go all in on the Larry Brown of CFB.

Because he's an Ohioan?

And wins the right way....

[JCoz]

Over/under on when Urban Meyer becomes head coach at tOSU?

10 days after the Luke Experiment is complete.

JT suspended for the year. Luke gets his shot with The Vest watching over him. If status quo is not maintained, Urban is in.

Right.

So Cybil is going to get her head on straight, decide family really isn't all THAT important (again), stop having heart palpitations, and decide to come back to Ohio to work under NCAA probation?

10-4

[danwismar]

Yeah...haven't heard much lately about that report of Meyer buying a house in Upper Arlington. What's up with that?

And Thad Gibson says he's still making payments on that car he supposedly got for free at the Columbus dealership. News to him that the price was $0. The earlier reports of this latest OSU scandal are now being "clarified".

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6526673

[JCoz]

Yeah...haven't heard much lately about that report of Meyer buying a house in Upper Arlington. What's up with that?

And Thad Gibson says he's still making payments on that car he supposedly got for free at the Columbus dealership. News to him that the price was $0. The earlier reports of this latest OSU scandal are now being "clarified".

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6526673

There was also this article preceding the one you linked..

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/05/buckeye-motors

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Urban Meyer isn't ever going to coach at OSU. Not ever.

I don't give a shit what the NCAA has to say when it comes to punishment since they don't have any credibility. What ever they decide they can shove it right up their asses. Just right up there.

[mattvan1]

Urban Meyer isn't ever going to coach at OSU. Not ever.

I don't give a shit what the NCAA has to say when it comes to punishment since they don't have any credibility. What ever they decide they can shove it right up their asses. Just right up there.

Like this?

[Cerebral_DownTime]

That pretty much sums up the NCAA is one glorious image.

[fundamentals]

Urban Meyer isn't ever going to coach at OSU. Not ever.

We shall see.

[Triple-S]

I always picture the Vest giving some speech ala Nick Nolte in Blue Chips after this is all done. Doubt that's his style, but it would be nice.

Look, just this entire process seems corrupt to me. From the coaches to the boosters to the NCAA itself.

And, I know, I know..some jerkass guy on PTI is going to bitch about how "Tax Dollars would be better spent on "X" then talking about the NCAA", but seriously, I beg to differ, because not only is this impacting some fans saturday of watching games on TV, but it impacts how universities are funded and just to me it reeks of white collar crime in some regards. Something has to be done.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Urban Meyer isn't ever going to coach at OSU. Not ever.

We shall see.

The biggest name they ever went after was John Cooper.....

[fundamentals]

Urban Meyer isn't ever going to coach at OSU. Not ever.

We shall see.

The biggest name they ever went after was John Cooper.....

Times, they are a changin'. Urban Meyer will come back to college football to coach at one institution and that's tOSU, just my uneducated opinion and guesswork.

Should the Vest be able to weather this storm and keep his jobby job, his time is limited and I see Meyer, one way or another, as the next guy in Cbus.

[gnati]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbN0g8-zbdY

[jb]

Gnatiwife is still dragging you to chick shit going on a decade and half now, isn't she?

How was Water for Elephants?

[gnati]

Gnatiwife is still dragging you to chick shit going on a decade and half now, isn't she?

How was Water for Elephants?

Not nearly as enjoyable as Bridesmaids.

[OrganFreeman]

Gnatiwife is still dragging you to chick shit going on a decade and half now, isn't she?

How was Water for Elephants?

Not nearly as enjoyable as Bridesmaids.

So, Gnati, you give Bridesmaids a ??? I know it's got the Reno 911 chick Clemmy in it and she's a hoot, but other than that, I am not knowing.

[fundamentals]

Ray Small piling on:

"I had sold my things but it was just for the money. At that time in college, you're kind of struggling."
"We had four Big Ten rings. There was enough to go around."
"It was definitely the deals on the cars. I don't see why it's a big deal," said Small, who identified Jack Maxton Chevrolet as the players' main resource.
"If you go in and try to get a tattoo, and somebody is like 'Do you want 50 percent off this tattoo?' You're going to say, 'Heck yeah.'"
"They have a lot [of dirt] on everybody, 'cause everybody was doing it."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6592185

[motherscratcher]

Ray Small, intellectual, on twitter:

SmallyMcfly Ray Small
This bitch just told me she freakier than my girl lol NOT!! I ant wife my bitch 4 nothing!!!

SmallyMcfly Ray Small
Right RT @CapoJimmy: Got places too c n bitches too do!!!


SmallyMcfly Ray Small
Double treeRT @BjMonet: What's the name of that hotel that serves the really good cookies???

SmallyMcfly Ray Small
U 2!!!:)RT @B3y0nD_C0LD: Sheeeesh my TL is nasty!!!! But I like it ;)

SmallyMcfly Ray Small
I agreeRT @ThuG_WhYtE: Sex is the answer to a lot of things ..

SmallyMcfly Ray Small
If I want some shit I'm opening my mouth I got 50% chance lol

SmallyMcfly Ray Small
I wonder what girls always wanted me but just never said shit!

[FUDU]

If there was a player who had zero credibility and you'd think would make shit up out of spite it would be Small. Either way if true or not, bad for tOSU but doesn't equal JT having anything to do with it.

[fundamentals]

If there was a player who had zero credibility and you'd think would make shit up out of spite it would be Small. Either way if true or not, bad for tOSU but doesn't equal JT having anything to do with it.

Either way, tt doesn't bode well for the Vest. I keep hearing from tOSU apologists that Tressel should not be held accountable for everything his players do, which I agree with. However, would you really not know or not if one or ten or twenty of your players have new rides and you know they can't afford them?

I don't buy the Tressel didn't know theory, just can't and won't believe it.

[FUDU]

Unfortunately JT minding his own business will probably end up being the death of him, if in fact he had no preemptive knowledge of the car stuff. I think if this all keeps up to and through the 2011 season JT will step down due to the incredible amount of pressure and stress it will cause him, if he is guilty of many things or not.

[danwismar]

Lots of angry tweets from current and former players on the Small story....I've seen Hartline, Whitner, Cordle and Brewster ripping him. Brewster flat out called him a coward.

Small had a career of being disgruntled with JT about playing time...mostly owing to him getting busted for one thing or another, or flunking classes. So he seems like the perfect guy to go to for comments on rule-breaking by OSU players....lots of experience in that area.

Tressel gave that kid so many second chances it's ridiculous. The running gag in the OSU media was to see who could write a sentence, let alone an article about Small without the word "doghouse" in it.

The only outrageous thing he said was to the effect that "everybody did it"...which is just flatly not so. The gist of it is "I sold some shit for rent money" and guys got good deals on cars at this particular dealership.

The first thing everyone can believe. The second isn't news. Thanks for the blinding revelations, Ray. Now go away.

[danwismar]

Just read Ramzy at Eleven Warriors...including tweets from players past and present.

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/05/smalltime

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Unfortunately JT minding his own business will probably end up being the death of him

If this isn't textbook 'denial' textbook denial does not exist

Yir living under a rock, FUDU

Tressell is a coward. The end.

[peeker643]

I'm assuming Tressel did sign off on the recruitment of Small, no? Or perhaps Small's penchant for idiocy and irresponsibility developed when he got to Columbus?

Either way, I wouldn't think that's the guy Tressel will have speak at any testimonial dinner.

Not a hater either. Love that program since the days I watched 'em on tape delay on WVIZ. They're ahead of the Cavs in my sports love.

But this shit happens when you fuck up. The sharks are circling and the first ones to swallow the chum they throw in the water are pieces of shit like Small.

You think the rest of the nation is looking for confirmation or to see what his teammates said about him? Nope. Seeing what the headlines and articles give them. For all they care Small is the prototypical OSU recruit, player and Twitter user.

[mattvan1]

Unfortunately JT minding his own business will probably end up being the death of him

If this isn't textbook 'denial' textbook denial does not exist

Yir living under a rock, FUDU

Tressell is a coward. The end.

Donny may indeed live under a rock but Jim Tressel is no coward. What a fucking idiotic statement. Is he wrong? Yes. Might he be a phony who had peeeps snowed all of these years? Yes. Should he just step down? Probably.

But calling him a coward is nothing more than playing the haterade card. Sorry, FMB, much respect for the majority of what you post but you're way off base with that line.

[danwismar]

Via OSU writer Jeff Rapp:

Quote of the day: "They explain the rules to you, but as a kid you're not really listening to all of them rules." -- Ray Small

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Unfortunately JT minding his own business will probably end up being the death of him

If this isn't textbook 'denial' textbook denial does not exist

Yir living under a rock, FUDU

Tressell is a coward. The end.

Donny may indeed live under a rock but Jim Tressel is no coward. What a fucking idiotic statement. Is he wrong? Yes. Might he be a phony who had peeeps snowed all of these years? Yes. Should he just step down? Probably.

But calling him a coward is nothing more than playing the haterade card. Sorry, FMB, much respect for the majority of what you post but you're way off base with that line.

If the man had any real character he'd fall on his sword, admit the wrong doings and co-operate.....like 10,000 others out there some of you would agree with chastising to the death

IMHO he's no better than Bobby Bowden or a host of others and at this point he's making Pete Carroll look downright saintly

Your program has proven to be as corrupt as any other....deal....and if you want to stop the sharks from circling you need to stop the bleeding

JMH3rdpartyO

In any event, JoPa is God compared to "Win at any cost Tressel"

[motherscratcher]

Correct me if I'm wrong Bill, but isn't that exactly what JT did? Didn't he fall on his sword, take the blame, and accept responsibility? He's been punished and awaiting further reprimands if they are forthcoming.

none of the shit that has come out in the last couple of months is really anything that we didnt know already. But every time there is a new story about something that we already knew, people take the opportunity to pile on again.

[danwismar]

I got a call from the guys who do this show on sportstalknetwork.com to join them on their show yesterday to talk about Tressel and OSU. Then Google Alerts landed this video of the show in my email this morning...if anyone's interested. I'm on at about the 28:00 mark for about 9-10 minutes. I get to do a little TCF commercial at the end.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14973759

[Cerebral_DownTime]

A coward is someone who runs away instead of facing the punishment. A coward would do as the brainless fucks want and quit.

Mattvan hits the jugular. And has it right.

You think the rest of the nation is looking for confirmation or to see what his teammates said about him?

Good thing for me that the rest of this country's opinion doesn't matter at all.

I stay up at night wondering what shithead fans from Idaho or Georgia think of our program.

and if you want to stop the sharks from circling you need to stop the bleeding

Obviously knows nothing about sharks. We'll just put that in the file.

[FUDU]

FMB you're just piling on b/c it's trendy and easy to do, right now. You're not even acknowledging facts of the situation.

All I'm sayin is just b/c JT is guilty of not revealing some info early on in this mess doesn't equate to him being the master mind to every single new incident of controversy that gets uncovered from here on out. JT isn't required to test drive the cars his players want to purchase. ...and he's not Lex Luther.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

DU, you still rocking the limestone? Or did you move up to granite?

[FUDU]

DU, you still rocking the limestone? Or did you move up to granite?

I took your advice and went with the Volcanic Ash, Granite is so cookie cutter now a days.

[pup]

FMB you're just piling on b/c it's trendy and easy to do, right now. You're not even acknowledging facts of the situation.

All I'm sayin is just b/c JT is guilty of not revealing some info early on in this mess doesn't equate to him being the master mind to every single new incident of controversy that gets uncovered from here on out. JT isn't required to test drive the cars his players want to purchase. ...and he's not Lex Luther.

If you still think this is only about Tress knowing in April, you are missing the entire thing.

Knew. Hid. Lied. Dispensed to people outside. Cover up. Lied some more.

Tress is a great man. Who screwed up about as much as one man could screw up. Even if all he did was take the bullet for an entire athletic department, he had to know the repercussions of doing that when he agreed to do it.

The program is better off without him at this point.

[peeker643]

You think the rest of the nation is looking for confirmation or to see what his teammates said about him?

Good thing for me that the rest of this country's opinion doesn't matter at all.

I stay up at night wondering what shithead fans from Idaho or Georgia think of our program.

That's great CDT. As long as you can recruit National Championship quality high school talent from right there in middle Ohio where Tressel's still king and no one gives a shit about the kids or parents of high school all-Americans in Idaho or Georgia.

However, when you're trying to bring in kids from Florida, Texas, California, etc and those kids not only have viable local schools like FLA, USC, TEX, UGA, FSU, etc to play for but are also recruited by other Big Ten Schools that aren't a national punchline (regardless of how off base those national impressions may be), well, maybe at that point people in Columbus and those who can't hear reality over their Buckeye Fight Song ringtone might actually start to give a shit.

Because that's when the losing will start.

But maybe it can't happen in Columbus. Maybe traditional national powers like Ohio State and Michigan truly are immune from that kind of losing..... wait...

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Yep yep yep i'm a honk, which i'm proud of. You can use Michigan. (which fell because of a shitty coach trying to remake a program into something it's not, it had nothing to do with violations).

USC got crushed and they don't seem to have a problem bringing in high caliber merc athletes from out of state. EVEN with a guy like Kiffin at the helm..... and the ghost of Carrol.

Save you ringtone bullshit.

[peeker643]

Yep yep yep i'm a honk, which i'm proud of. You can use Michigan. (which fell because of a shitty coach trying to remake a program into something it's not, it had nothing to do with violations).

USC got crushed and they don't seem to have a problem bringing in high caliber merc athletes from out of state. EVEN with a guy like Kiffin at the helm..... and the ghost of Carrol.

Save you ringtone bullshit.

Michigan's fall began before they had to bring in a bad fit. USC is not in Columbus, OH and even with the advantages they have in recruiting (location, location, location)their program will suffer. People don't seem to understand that the crap in Columbus is a lot like dumping chemicals into drinking water. The first sip won't kill you but you will keep getting sicker as long as they keep dumping and the effects are felt even after they're completely cleaned up.

Kids want exposure. If you don't believe this shit has a longer term effect than just vacating wins or a couple years of no bowls I'm not sure what to say. It's like the disabled list in baseball dude. Hafner may be on the DL for 2 weeks but it's another couple weeks if not longer before he's back to where he was before he got hurt.

Nothing wrong with being a honk, most of us are. But there needs to be some objectivity as to what this is actually doing to the program.

The program just can't keep taking hits and be strong. At some point you have to make a move, acknowledge the issues and separate yourself enough that you can say, "We appreciate and love Coach Tressle but acknowledge mistakes were made. We have severed ties and are moving forward".

You have make that move at some point for the benefit of the program and the perceptions (right or wrong) that have been created.
Woody Hayes was fired. He didn't just fade away after publishing a book of inspirational quotes.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

FMB you're just piling on b/c it's trendy and easy to do, right now. You're not even acknowledging facts of the situation.

All I'm sayin is just b/c JT is guilty of not revealing some info early on in this mess doesn't equate to him being the master mind to every single new incident of controversy that gets uncovered from here on out. JT isn't required to test drive the cars his players want to purchase. ...and he's not Lex Luther.

Yes, but each charge brings tOSU closer to the dreaded "lack of institutional control" and the blame for that usually falls on the coach. At this point, he needs to be gone. This is going to get worse before it gets better and tOSU might save themselves some scholarships if they separate themselves from Tressel before any extra punishment is handed down.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

USC got crushed and they don't seem to have a problem bringing in high caliber merc athletes from out of state.

They can still offer fantastic weather and smokin' hot babes? Where's that leave tOSU?

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Nothing wrong with being a honk, most of us are. But there needs to be some objectivity as to what this is actually doing to the program.

lol.

And what is it doing to the program? There has been no torrent of de-commits or transfers. No groups of outraged parents. Nothing. I'm sure you think you sense the impending doom, most Cleveland fans do.

For me it's mildly embarrassing and that's about it. It's not what happened at USC or Auburn.

They will weather this storm. Posion water and fire and brimstone or whatever. And we can't recruit because our winters suck. ahahahahhahah......

BTW when you gonna quit being a fag about it and come down for a game? I'm sure we could discuss this in person with beverages present. (and I promise not to pick you up over my head and spin you while yelling "Airplane airplane airplane weeeeeeeeeee!"

USC got crushed and they don't seem to have a problem bringing in high caliber merc athletes from out of state.

They can still offer fantastic weather and smokin' hot babes? Where's that leave tOSU?

Uhhhhh..... Smokin hot babes (drive down High St. right now and it's gonna be short skirt and bra-less shirt heaven) and a National football power that has a track record of pumping players out in the NFL?

If a recruit picks a school based on the weather, he's a moron.

[swerb]

From a good source, and this may be out there already:

SI issue that comes out Tuesday has a column that allegedly rips (or tries to rip) the Buckeye football program apart at the seams. Written by George Dohrmann (sp?), the gut that exposed the University of Minnesota Clem Haskins academic scandal for the St Paul Pioneer Press.

FWIW.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Of course they are. They hate us, which makes me smile. I'm sure they'll do it to Oregon and Aubrun once the NCAA has the time to opine on those alleged violations. or maybe not... I mean Auburn still has that crystal football.

[danwismar]

From a good source, and this may be out there already:

SI issue that comes out Tuesday has a column that allegedly rips (or tries to rip) the Buckeye football program apart at the seams. Written by George Dohrmann (sp?), the gut that exposed the University of Minnesota Clem Haskins academic scandal for the St Paul Pioneer Press.

FWIW.

Had an item at HTF about this on 5/23. There's a little more info at the link in that post. The university has known for several weeks that this piece was in the works, since the reporter has been digging around campus for some time.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Yeah that's right, peek. You better respond. I called you names and made light of your argument.

I see you there.

[peeker643]

Nothing wrong with being a honk, most of us are. But there needs to be some objectivity as to what this is actually doing to the program.

lol.

And what is it doing to the program? There has been no torrent of de-commits or transfers. No groups of outraged parents. Nothing. I'm sure you think you sense the impending doom, most Cleveland fans do.

For me it's mildly embarrassing and that's about it. It's not what happened at USC or Auburn.

They will weather this storm. Posion water and fire and brimstone or whatever. And we can't recruit because our winters suck. ahahahahhahah......

BTW when you gonna quit being a fag about it and come down for a game? I'm sure we could discuss this in person with beverages present. (and I promise not to pick you up over my head and spin you while yelling "Airplane airplane airplane weeeeeeeeeee!"

I have no methodology of procuring tickets my good man. That may be easier in three-five years though.

You'll have a couple de-commits this year CDT and you'll see the Buckeyes fall in the recruiting ranks starting next year too. I know those are subjective and in many ways useless, but it will happen. When a top WR recruit from VA can 'weather the storm' here with no bowl games and less exposure at OSU or go to Texas, FLA, etc then where they gonna go? Tough enough with Tressel and a Top 5 program to compete for the Posey's, et al.

The program will be fine again. No doubt. But the longer this shit comes up and the longer human debris like Ray Small keep surfacing (along with whatever allegations surface in the future) the longer it will take.

I just a think a clean break is becoming more necessary and likely so the crroked humps in the AD Office who hung Tressel out to dry can wash their hands with it and turn a blind eye toward 'repairing' the program and its strained national image.

That's all.

But thank you for the column subject matter Sunday.

BTW, I'd be down there before you could say "Vacated 2010 Season" with tix and an excuse to hang out. Be even better if it included that scene on High Street you mentioned above.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

But that WR from VA will miss what, 2 bowl games at the most? He can still play in 2 more if he stays 4 years. I don't think exposure is going to be a problem, it's still OSU football, if you're good people around the country are gonna know.

But you're right, it's all subjective. So I guess we will have to wait and see.

And you don't need tickets, i'd like to try to get something together for the MSU game. The Return Of Tress And The Tat5, which sounds like a 50's band. A tailgate at the Shoe or something of that nature.

[peeker643]

Yeah that's right, peek. You better respond. I called you names and made light of your argument.

I see you there.

Dude, I have more respect for you than 90% of the people I deal with every day and the number would be higher if I met you I'm sure.

We can make points, bust balls and do it all day with nothing lingering afterward and that's what I love about this place and some people.

And end of the day we both want the same shit in Columbus.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

USC got crushed and they don't seem to have a problem bringing in high caliber merc athletes from out of state.

They can still offer fantastic weather and smokin' hot babes?

Better band too....: )

If a kid had a choice of OSU vs USC he'd be nuts to play in Ohio

You can luv yir school all you want to be sure but, outside a nice run or two the past decade, OSU had been insignificant for 33 yrs and has gotten pasted in bowl games the last what?...3-4?

The cuffs are on, Miranda Rights given, prosecution is in process... the defendent is undefendable

[rebelwithoutaclue]

Uhhhhh..... Smokin hot babes (drive down High St. right now and it's gonna be short skirt and bra-less shirt heaven) and a National football power that has a track record of pumping players out in the NFL?

If a recruit picks a school based on the weather, he's a moron.

Just wait five minutes and a snowstorm will dash that look. And are you really trying to compare Southern California women to central Ohio women? Did that just happen? You may know less about women than you do about pizza.


And Peeker already said it best; tOSU already had a hell of a time competing with the Miami's, Texas', and USC's of the world WITH scholarships. What do you think's gonna happen when all the free money is gone? No one's gonna come pay to play football at tOSU.