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by mattvan1 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:16 am
fundamentals wrote:In between eating about ninety wings and a couple of gallons of chip dip with a few Ruffles mixed in, I cannot believe they don't take a timeout. I understand trying to get the ball up the floor so the defense doesn't get a chance to "set up" and actually the hard push up the floor got them a decent look but Buford couldn't hit water if he fell out of the boat tonight. I would have given Diebler and/or Lighty a chance but that's me. Once again.
by peeker643 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:57 am
mattvan1 wrote:Buford picked a bad game to shit the bed - kid's played very well in the tourney and tonight goes 2-16
by hermanfontenot » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:05 am
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by mattvan1 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:26 pm
JacksonDysonJackson wrote:As I said in the other thread, I thought the game would come down to two things: whether Craft could contain Knight and whether Harrelson could defend Sully one on one. Craft obviously played great and did his job.Harrelsonwas excellent on Sullenger. Great defense, from the tip. The cameras focused on Sullinger about half way through the first quarter. I didn't like the look in his eyes. He looked a bit shell shocked. He never matched Harrelson's intensity. Dude needs to come back. He's Tractor Traylor in the NBA right now.
by FUDU » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:45 pm
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by waborat » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:41 am
Cease wrote:Thad should have set something up for the last shot.
by peeker643 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:44 am
waborat wrote:Cease wrote:Thad should have set something up for the last shot. Absolutely...Hindsight and all that BS, but I was screamin at the TV (Peek will attest) during the final sprint...Ya got multiple TOs to set up on O. Yeah, I understand the whole "defense on their heels" approach, but do you want someone launchin who hasn't hit a friggin shot all night with nothin but blue in front of him again???You have shootahs, you have paint presence. Calm the kids down, set up a play, run it & pray...After the clutch shot by Knight, If I'm Matta, I don't want to see my team runnin down the court and forcin whatever
by waborat » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:05 pm
peeker643 wrote:'Tis true. Wabo called for it as Craft crossed the timeline. I heard this dicussed a couple weeks back on Thad's radio show. He said they have studied the numbers and the numbers say you score more often without a timeout than with one.But I agree that a TO with 4 seconds is the play here. Shooter like Diebler who needs to be watched opens the floor for a cutter to the rim, an entry to Sullinger down low as well as, at worst a look at least equal to the one they got from 15 feet and out. Could not have been worse than a frantic shot by a guy who couldn't hit the floor if he dropped the ball on Friday night.
by FUDU » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:12 pm
by jb » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:22 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:But the Cavs need Sullinger!!!@$!
by jb » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:25 pm
waborat wrote:The older I get, the more I hate this shit...Gotta find a new pasttime, sumthin like collectin trucker hats
by e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:46 pm
jb wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:But the Cavs need Sullinger!!!@$!Poor take, Lee.Jared showed up. He was a one man gang inside. Go look at his line again and say something else stupid. Got no help on D and had to leave too often to help vs the dribble drive leaving Jethro open.The reson for the loss was that there is a dif between a very good college player and an NBA propect. Diebler cound't guard anyone. But mainly Buford and Lighty got completely exposed on both O & D. They did some things off picks, but were worthless off dribble drives. They were outmatched by UK's better athletes. Those two lost the game. Esp Buford and his 2 for 16 clusterfuck.OTOH, I was really impressed by Craft. Kid showed some cremencus athleticism and was never outclassed even by UK's ballers. very intriguing future for that kid.
by jb » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:24 pm
by e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:34 pm
by jb » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:38 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Seriously?Short.... checkUnathletic.... checkConditioning issues.... checkOnly shown a defined post game thus far..... checkRotation player probably. A guy that should go from the mid to late first round and get a shot. A guy that everyone on this board spent months blowing as a top of the lottery pick? My ass.
by e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:54 pm
by peeker643 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:48 pm
by jb » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:21 pm
I blame Matta for the lack of the timeout as well as not running more motion
by e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:50 pm
by peeker643 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:55 pm
jb wrote:21 and 16 man, in a 60 point game. Leading scorer by far. Leading rebounder by far. Only player > 6'5" 200 with any ability at all in the main rotation. But I guess he should have laid down a 30 / 20 line to make everyone happy. The refs were lettting jungle ball go inside and Lil Abner Jethro just ran with it. A natural PF playing center out of position coulnd't overpower him on the blocks given what the refs were allowing. On a scale of 1 - 10 for that game, I give Sully a 6 or 7 . Not his best game, but he was hardly the goat or even guilty of a poor performance. OTOH, I give Diebler a 4, Lighty a 3 and Buford a negative 6. That's all I'm sayin'. I blame Matta for the lack of the timeout as well as not running more motionYou know, they ran plenty of motion in half one I thought. Then I think UK just clamped the freak down and better athletes were able to cover lessor athletes. Sometimes that shit just happens.As for the shot, Craft got the ball at inbound with what, 5 seonds left? If he TO's across the line, there is 2 or 3 ticks left. All you get is a catch n shoot if you execute well. Buford got a really good look. If he had not, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But kid got a wide-assed open spot J. He missed. That's just ball, man. I don't think a TO generates a better look than what Buford had.
by jb » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:05 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:6 or 7 against the first post defender he saw all year and you still see potential for an elite NBA player "maybe?"
by furls » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:07 pm
by e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:10 pm
jb wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:6 or 7 against the first post defender he saw all year and you still see potential for an elite NBA player "maybe?"Let me make one thing perfectly clear: I don't know what his pro potential is right now. I see a kid who had a pretty damn good freshman year who has limitations, but also seems like a hard worker who is not from the TPeezy school of dooshiness. I never said he was an elite prospect right now. I just took exception, and still do, with your casting him as anything in scement right now. Kid is a work in progress and had one hell of a first year. Next year he may get a legit post player around him and we can maybe see what he can do in more space.I suspend judgement for a while. He's making the right decision coming back.
by peeker643 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:12 pm
furls wrote:Sullinger's value will be more apparent next year. Let's see if he gets "conditioned" and how he plays when he moves to the 4. Next year Amir Williams should be playing the 5.http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... r-williamsThat said, I am not really sure that we will really see much of a jump from Sullinger at the 4. He has a really nice game back to the basket 8 feet out, I haven't seen much of a midrange game from him or any real ability to play facing the hoop. If he is going to be worth a damn thing in the NBA those are the skills he will need, right now (from what I have seen) he looks like a guy that is too short to play C, to slow to play the 4 and to unathletic play outside the post. NBA 4's have to have some handle, I haven't seen that either.All in all, I think JBs grades are pretty much spot on, except Craft grades out at a 9.
by furls » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:30 pm
by peeker643 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:47 pm
furls wrote:He doesn't have to score, or shoot well. You said it yourself, that is not his job. He is a force all over the floor and he is present everywhere.
by FUDU » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:21 pm
by leadpipe » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:03 am
by danwismar » Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:52 am
jb wrote:As for the shot, Craft got the ball at inbound with what, 5 seconds left? If he TO's across the line, there is 2 or 3 ticks left. All you get is a catch n shoot if you execute well. Buford got a really good look. If he had not, I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But kid got a wide-assed open spot J. He missed. That's just ball, man. I don't think a TO generates a better look than what Buford had.
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