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The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:51 pm

Put them here y'all.

Starting as soon as the fluffers get done yapping and yanking.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:56 pm

Not sure if I like Barkley or Kenny Smith as CBB guys.

Shocked the big bucks havn't been shelled out for Bilas' services.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:01 pm

As expected Buckeyes get the overall #1.

That was a no-doubter.

East region for Buckeyes

West Region is Duke

South west is Kansas

Pitt gets Southeast #1

East faces west, southeast gets southwest in final four.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby Squints » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:18 pm

Good matchups at the Q next week. 2nd err third round matchps especially.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:20 pm

That's one young Michigan team to get into the West as an 8 seed. That team's gonna be a bitch in a year or two.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:23 pm

UConn got their 3 seed. Huge run to get that seed and a nice side of the bracket. Legit chance for regional final trip.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:26 pm

Hate a matchup with George Mason in the 2nd round. Villanova's less threatening, but George Mason... I know we're a better, more talented team, but you can tell how good Mason is that they got an 8 seed as an at large in the Colonial.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:36 pm

Butler v. Old Dominion an interesting 1st round 8/9 game.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:39 pm

12 straight Gonzaga appearances. That's impressive.

No Va Tech, no Colorado, no St Mary's, no Alabama.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:43 pm

USC over Colorado huh?

Alrighty then.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:45 pm

peeker643 wrote:12 straight Gonzaga appearances. That's impressive.

No Va Tech, no Colorado, no St Mary's, no Alabama.


Michigan St over Colorado and St. Mary's is sad.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:53 pm

Purdue/ND would be an interesting regional matchup..
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby waborat » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:55 pm

Mason doesn't worry me...

It's friggin Kentucky in the Sweet 16, that does...

Damn, go Princeton, go Mountaineers...

Seems to me, at a quick glance, Kansas got the easiest (if there is one) path
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Unread postby swerb » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:55 pm

The Vitale meltdown after the brackets are revealed is one of my five favorite sports moments of every year.

Funniest thing is ... if Va Tech and Colorado would have got in, and only 5 of the 37 at large spots would have gone to mid majors, he would have been freaking out about that.

I am all for the VCUs and UAB's getting in over the Va Techs of the world. I was before George Mason and Butler's Final Four runs. Don't see how anyone can be pissed about Va Tech or a 70 RPI Colorado team that went 8-8 in a shitty Big 12 not getting in.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby waborat » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:58 pm

Squints wrote:Good matchups at the Q next week. 2nd err third round matchps especially.


Yep, love it :thumb up:

Much better than getting another 1/16 (ex PIT), like Lunardi was first saying...

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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:01 pm

waborat wrote:Mason doesn't worry me...

It's friggin Kentucky in the Sweet 16, that does...

Damn, go Princeton, go Mountaineers...

Seems to me, at a quick glance, Kansas got the easiest (if there is one) path


Kentucky doesn't worry me. They're undisciplined, poorly coached, and inexperienced. Athleticism aside, OSU is far superior.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby waborat » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:50 pm

Dickie says the East Region's the hardest...

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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby swerb » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:51 pm

waborat wrote:
Squints wrote:Good matchups at the Q next week. 2nd err third round matchps especially.


Yep, love it :thumb up:

Much better than getting another 1/16 (ex PIT), like Lunardi was first saying...

Totally jacked for this weekend's game @ the Q

We know which are the day/night games on Fri yet?
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby waborat » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:57 pm

swerb wrote:
waborat wrote:
Squints wrote:Good matchups at the Q next week. 2nd err third round matchps especially.


Yep, love it :thumb up:

Much better than getting another 1/16 (ex PIT), like Lunardi was first saying...

Totally jacked for this weekend's game @ the Q

We know which are the day/night games on Fri yet?


They usually announce the X on Monday
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:58 pm

swerb wrote:The Vitale meltdown after the brackets are revealed is one of my five favorite sports moments of every year.

Funniest thing is ... if Va Tech and Colorado would have got in, and only 5 of the 37 at large spots would have gone to mid majors, he would have been freaking out about that.

I am all for the VCUs and UAB's getting in over the Va Techs of the world. I was before George Mason and Butler's Final Four runs. Don't see how anyone can be pissed about Va Tech or a 70 RPI Colorado team that went 8-8 in a shitty Big 12 not getting in.


Fine with the overall selections. Just think a team like VA Tech and Colorado clearly deserve the trip more than USC or Mich St.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:01 pm

How did those other stupid ass bitch teams get in over the Buffs?

IMO, OSU has a 22.7% chance of winning the NT.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby waborat » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:15 pm

My favorite quote so far tonight is Bilas freakin out and bellowin "I'm not saying I dont care how the kids feel, but I don't care how they feel"

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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby Squints » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:17 pm

waborat wrote:
swerb wrote:
waborat wrote:
Squints wrote:Good matchups at the Q next week. 2nd err third round matchps especially.


Yep, love it :thumb up:

Much better than getting another 1/16 (ex PIT), like Lunardi was first saying...

Totally jacked for this weekend's game @ the Q

We know which are the day/night games on Fri yet?

They usually announce the X on Monday


However, the schedule comes out, I am excited for these games. I bet the Bucks play at 7:30, overall #1 seed should be in prime time. Would think Syracuse should play in the afternoon as the Orange should cruise. Toss-up on the other two. Pure speculation obviously. www.the506.com should be a good resource for what game is on what station when it all comes out.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:26 pm

That Texas/Oakland game could be a good one.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:38 pm

Final 4 early predictions

UConn/Bucks Kansas/Florida

Jayhawks over the Bucks :(
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby swerb » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:50 pm

OSU, Duke, Louisville, Wisconsin

Buckeyes over Louisville for the NC
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:59 pm

Opening lines from Teddy Covers:

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More Friday: #GeorgeMason -1 vs #Villanova, #Syracuse -10.5 vs #IndianaState, #Xavier -2 vs #Marquette

More Friday: #NotreDame -13 vs #Akron, #TexasA&M -1 vs #FloridaState, #Purdue -15 vs #StPeters

Friday: #NorthCarolina -20 vs #LongIsland, #Washington =5 vs #Georgia, #Duke -22.5 vs #Hampton, #Michigan -1 vs #Tennessee

Last Thursday: #Sandiegostate -17 vs. #NorthernColorado, #Temple pk vs. #PennState, #KansasState -2 vs #UtahState, #Wisconsin -5 v #Belmont

More Thursday: #Vanderbilt -2 #Richmond, #Louisville -8 #Morehead St, #BYU -8.5 #Wofford, #StJohns Pk #Gonzaga

Thursday: #Kentucky -14 v #Princeton, #Florida -14 v #UCSB, #Mich St -1 v #UCLA, #UConn -12 v #Bucknell, Mizzou -2.5 v #Cinci, OD -1 #Butler

Wednesday: Texas San Antonio -4 vs. Alabama State, USC -4 vs Virgnia Commonwealth (VCU)

Tuesday: NC Ashville -3 vs. Arkansas-Little Rock, Clemson -4.5 vs. UAB
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby Squints » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:16 pm

CSU in as a #2 seed in the NIT. Last pair announced in the entire field. Kent in the opposite side of the bracket.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby pup » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:02 pm

swerb wrote:
waborat wrote:
Squints wrote:Good matchups at the Q next week. 2nd err third round matchps especially.


Yep, love it :thumb up:

Much better than getting another 1/16 (ex PIT), like Lunardi was first saying...

Totally jacked for this weekend's game @ the Q

We know which are the day/night games on Fri yet?


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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:04 am

Someone remind me who Florida beat outside of shitty conference.

Anyways, if you're out - win more games. Not like this is an undefeated football team getting robbed of a game with two total spots. If you can't work your way into that number of at large berths, trust me, you aren't a factor anyway.

The team that got jobbed that had a chance to win the tournament has never existed.

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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:12 am

leadpipe wrote:Adam, you like Covers for college hoops? I like him for football quite a bit more.


I mostly just use his website for the matchup stuff and to see what the lines are doing at the sharper books. I met him in Vegas at the Hilton Superbook last month. That was pretty cool.

Can't say I've really read much of his analysis, though.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby Ziner » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:12 am

The Buffs got phucked. KSU 3 times and Texas. Thats not a shitty resume At least they (we?) have weed to make themselves feel better.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby waborat » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:06 am

pup wrote:
swerb wrote:
waborat wrote:
Squints wrote:Good matchups at the Q next week. 2nd err third round matchps especially.


Yep, love it :thumb up:

Much better than getting another 1/16 (ex PIT), like Lunardi was first saying...

Totally jacked for this weekend's game @ the Q

We know which are the day/night games on Fri yet?


Buckeyes, Fri, 4:40


http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/schedules

I'm baffled by the starting times this year? The nice thing is it looks like the networks have alternated all the games by 20 minutes +/-, so hopefully we'll catch the end of games and not need split screens, etc

The interesting thing about the times is how they're set up for Cleveland? The first game doesn't start until 2:10, then OSU is "scheduled" for 4:40. OK, let's say neither of those games is long or goes into OT(s), then the early primetime game starts at 7:25pm. How do they feel they're going to get 15,000+ people out of their seats, clear the arena and then get everyone back inside and in their seats in 45 minutes or less???

This doesn't make any sense...

Guess there won't be any meetups for dinner between 5-7pm like in the past down there...Not to mention, drinking $7.50 shit beer all day...

The other thing that's crazy is the play in game between Clemson/UAB, they finish up at midnight on Tuesday and then open vs West Virginia on Thursday at noon? You woulda thought the schedule makers would be a little more generous for the NCAAs and had them play in the evening
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby furls » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:14 am

OK,

I know that I have been a bit of a ghost around here lately, I apologize for that, sometimes life takes over and there just isn't time for the activities that you enjoy doing. That said, I have a bit more time right now (before I start my evening MBA program in the fall) and I am looking forward to being a bit more involved in the discussions around here.

Now, here are some of my observations from the 2010-2011 NCAA basketball season, use them in your brackets/wagers at your own risk:

1. The Big East is overrated. Don't get me wrong, the conference is good but the "goodness" is defined by depth not by "greatness at the top." I am not sold on Pitts/ND as elite teams, I have seen each play about a zillion times as a resident in the middle of Big East land, and I think that they are good (I think ND is better) but neither is great. This is a case where I think the pundits have confused mass mediocrity for quality, so look for the record 11 BE teams to "struggle" and quickly get weened down to about 4 teams.

2. The Big Ten is not great either. OSU is a dangerous team, any team that can shoot 3's like they can and has 3 go to scorers is dangerous. The lack of size and all those second chance points/offensive rebounds that they give up will make at least a couple of games white knucklers. As for the rest of the league, I am not impressed. I say don't count out MSU for a decent run because, at this point betting against Tom Izzo in the tourney just seems dumb. Between the BE and the B10(ish) they have 18 tournament berths, realistically they have about 3 great teams and 7 solid teams between the two conferences and I am looking for a lot of early carnage.

3. The top of the ACC is underrated. UNC is peaking at the right time and it is a coach that has been there done that... same with Duke. I think both of these teams make runs. The rest of the ACC is blah.

4. So, if I don't like the B10, BE, or ACC who do I like.... the field. This year, like none that I can remember is set up for early round midmajor carnage. IMO there are about 5-7 teams that can pretty much handle the Mid Majors (for the most part) and they are ranked 1's and 2's (for the most part) so IMO if your bracket is littered with 3 and 4 seeds in the sweet sixteen I think you are going to be disappointed. Ultimately I think the 1's and 2's will dominate the final four, but I think there is going to be a lot of early round carnage.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby mattvan1 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:17 am

Ziner wrote:The Buffs got phucked. KSU 3 times and Texas. Thats not a shitty resume At least they (we?) have weed to make themselves feel better.



We felt Colorado was very deserving.

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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby furls » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:22 am

Some early round games that I think could be trouble:

OSU vs. GMU
Texas vs. Oakland
KU vs. Princeton
USU vs. KSU
Wisco vs. Belmont
SJU vs. 'Zaga
BYU vs. Wofford
MSU vs. UCLA
MSU/UCLA vs. Florida
UNC vs. Washington (tough out, but I like NCU)

those are just some upset alerts that I have off the top of my head. I am also a bit concerned for SDSU.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:40 am

mattvan1 wrote:We felt Colorado was very deserving.

Signed,

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The Maryland-Eastern Shore Hawks
and
The Texas Pan-American Broncos


We felt Clemson was very deserving.

Signed,

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The Delaware State Hornets
and
The Savannah State Tigers


Between Clemson, UAB, and VCU, no one has a win as good as Kansas State. Let alone three of them. Not to mention beating Texas and Mizzou.

Their OOC schedule sucked. But, they have five good wins compared to Clemson and UAB's maybe one. Not that it matters cause none of them are going anywhere.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:08 pm

I am all for the VCUs and UAB's getting in over the Va Techs of the world. I was before George Mason and Butler's Final Four runs. Don't see how anyone can be pissed about Va Tech or a 70 RPI Colorado team that went 8-8 in a shitty Big 12 not getting in.


Couldn't agree more, Swerb. I'm not about to parse resumes but Vitale and all these power conference honks conveniently forget that the Colorados and VA Techs get home and homes with several top 25 teams and hence an opportunity for a big win (with no shame in losing, either) just about every week. And, since they're in the middle of the pack, they fly under the radar and can easily catch these teams on a bad night over the grind of a conference season. I'm pretty sure if you gave UAB and VCU 10 chances to play top 25 teams (several of which would be at home), they'd come up with a few of the "signature wins" that talking heads go nuts over. And while these mid major conferences aren't as good top to bottom, the ones that routinely send at large teams (CAA, Missouri Valley, etc.) still have quality basketball. The tournament caliber teams from these conferences have a bullseye on their back all year and probably need to win 75% of their conference games to even be in the discussion (UAB and VCU were a combined 26-8). And that's before we even touch the fact that BCS schools don't want to play them in the non-conference season.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby mattvan1 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:10 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:We felt Colorado was very deserving.

Signed,

The Longwood Lancers
The Maryland-Eastern Shore Hawks
and
The Texas Pan-American Broncos


We felt Clemson was very deserving.

Signed,

The South Carolina State Bulldogs
The Delaware State Hornets
and
The Savannah State Tigers


Between Clemson, UAB, and VCU, no one has a win as good as Kansas State. Let alone three of them. Not to mention beating Texas and Mizzou.

Their OOC schedule sucked. But, they have five good wins compared to Clemson and UAB's maybe one. Not that it matters cause none of them are going anywhere.


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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:19 pm

peeker643 wrote:Butler v. Old Dominion an interesting 1st round 8/9 game.



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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:22 pm

jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Butler v. Old Dominion an interesting 1st round 8/9 game.



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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:00 pm

I'm jus sayin that those are two teams going nowhere this year. Gimme a cinderella or a battle of the titans later. Or a big name against a team that has it all lined up, like nova v Mason. ODU v Butler is arguably the most forgettable game in the tourney and ur pimpin it inexplicably. Probably just some wierd sort of 6 degrees of CSU seperation.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby swerb » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:18 pm

jb wrote:I'm jus sayin that those are two teams going nowhere this year. Gimme a cinderella or a battle of the titans later. Or a big name against a team that has it all lined up, like nova v Mason. ODU v Butler is arguably the most forgettable game in the tourney and ur pimpin it inexplicably. Probably just some wierd sort of 6 degrees of CSU seperation.

This Butler team is just as good as last years. Lose Hayward, add that big white freshman big man they have. Everyone else is back w all that experience.

And they are ROLLIN right now after a crap start.

They're gonna beat a good ODU team and will be getting like 4-5 points from Pitt. Rest of that bracket is real soft. Crappiest 1, 2, 3, and 4 seeds in the tourney .. all that bracket.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby jb » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:46 pm

Pummlin' Detroit mercy does nothing for me. Nice X mas tourney, but too many L's again better teams. they belong in the tourney to be sure, but just not a threat. I compare them to like a UD. And thus a boring matchup.

http://butlersports.com/sports/m-baskbl/2010-11/schedule

I'm way more nto the Belmont v Wisky game in that region. That one could be interesting s far as a cinderella.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby hermanfontenot » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:11 pm

I'm with JB re: Butler-ODU. The 8-9 is the least compelling first-round game in general IMO.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:13 pm

swerb wrote:They're gonna beat a good ODU team and will be getting like 4-5 points from Pitt. Rest of that bracket is real soft. Crappiest 1, 2, 3, and 4 seeds in the tourney .. all that bracket.


Gotta disagree on the #2 seed. I think Florida's right there with SDSU as the best #2. I think the only thing that makes ND a good #2 is that they have nobody in that bracket who is going to run them into the ground. If they faced a Washington type squad, they'd be in trouble. ND can be beaten by A&M. Probably not FSU.

I can't say the same about UCLA/MSU beating FLA. FLA has a free ride to the E8, I think.

Weakest #3? For sure.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:44 pm

jb wrote:I'm jus sayin that those are two teams going nowhere this year. Gimme a cinderella or a battle of the titans later. Or a big name against a team that has it all lined up, like nova v Mason. ODU v Butler is arguably the most forgettable game in the tourney and ur pimpin it inexplicably. Probably just some wierd sort of 6 degrees of CSU seperation.


You're right.

I said it's "an interesting 1st round 8/9 game".

I'll try and settle myself down.

Maybe I'll put my Butler and ODU flags back in the closet and separate the two mascot bobble heads that I currently have standing toe-to-toe glaring at each other.

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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:37 pm

swerb wrote:
jb wrote:I'm jus sayin that those are two teams going nowhere this year. Gimme a cinderella or a battle of the titans later. Or a big name against a team that has it all lined up, like nova v Mason. ODU v Butler is arguably the most forgettable game in the tourney and ur pimpin it inexplicably. Probably just some wierd sort of 6 degrees of CSU seperation.

This Butler team is just as good as last years. Lose Hayward, add that big white freshman big man they have. Everyone else is back w all that experience.

And they are ROLLIN right now after a crap start.

They're gonna beat a good ODU team and will be getting like 4-5 points from Pitt. Rest of that bracket is real soft. Crappiest 1, 2, 3, and 4 seeds in the tourney .. all that bracket.


I like defense in a single elimination tourney. Butler isn't playing well enough defensively ILO. For that matter, neither is Florida. Again, Florida out of conference beat K. State in December when K. State had suspensions/injuries, and they nipped Xavier. That's it. Love their coach, but the way they defend they gotta hit 6 straight games of threes.

The lower half of that bracket, where BYU is 3 and Florida 2 is the key to many a bracket pool. Not sure I could argue if you wanted to tell me ANY of those 8 teams were going to get to the elite 8. Some have a better chance, but not by much.
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Re: The NCAA Tournament Pairings/Thoughts?

Unread postby furls » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:20 pm

Its kind of funny, I wrote all that crap about how weak some of the 3-4's are, then I did my bracket and I sure had a lot of chalk.... go figure.
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