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by **JCoz** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:02 pm

danwismar wrote:My initial thought is that the NCAA has not learned anything in the last 24 hours that they did not know before.

Pryor and others among the TatFive said repeatedly in Dec., 2010 that they were being punished for indiscretions committed "two years ago", so like I said, this goes back way further than last April.

Also, in the Dispatch article linked above, was the acknowledgment by the NCAA at the time that the players may not have been aware of the regulations at the time the violations occurred, and that they took this into consideration when they decided on the penalties:

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...the student-athletes will be eligible to play in the bowl game Jan. 4 based on several factors.

These include the acknowledgment the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred, Lennon said.

NCAA policy allows suspending withholding penalties for a championship or bowl game if it was reasonable at the time the student-athletes were not aware they were committing violations, along with considering the specific circumstances of each situation.

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It's pretty clear to me that OSU officials knew, or at least had been alerted to the possibility, before November, 2009, that violations had occurred, because that is when they began their "re-education" process with the team, and asked guilty players to step forward.

More importantly, it is also pretty clear that the NCAA knew about all of this in December.

Dan, did OSU inform the NCAA of the suspected infractions previous to them starting that "re-education?"

What you are saying makes good sense except for the part where the NCAA didn't punish OSU for not reporting long ago that this was an issue.

Am I missing something there, or are you saying that NCAA found out OSU knew long before the police investigation that things might not be on the up and up regarding this issue, but excused them?

Guess I'm not totally understanding the process this took, from initial discovery or suspicion to reporting to the NCAA about it.

We know what happened in December, but if this was a long standing issue, when was it that they may have first notified the NCAA?

by **JCoz** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:11 pm

From Gordon Gee

"We are moving very much forward, and I feel very confident that we will solve these issues."

by **danwismar** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:37 pm

JCoz wrote:Dan, did OSU inform the NCAA of the suspected infractions previous to them starting that "re-education?"

What you are saying makes good sense except for the part where the NCAA didn't punish OSU for not reporting long ago that this was an issue.

Am I missing something there, or are you saying that NCAA found out OSU knew long before the police investigation that things might not be on the up and up regarding this issue, but excused them?

Guess I'm not totally understanding the process this took, from initial discovery or suspicion to reporting to the NCAA about it.

We know what happened in December, but if this was a long standing issue, when was it that they may have first notified the NCAA?

All I'm saying is that in December, the NCAA was made aware of the violations, and presumably looked into all the circumstances of how/when OSU found out about it. I am assuming that it was clear in December, 2010 that OSU knew something before 11/09, because that's when they admitted having been "not explicit enough" prior to that time, and set about to remedy the situation. I am also assuming that it was at this time (11/09) when they asked players who had previously violated the rules to step forward.

I have no idea when they first reported all this to NCAA, but I have to think that NCAA got answers to these questions in December, because they (NCAA) said they took into account that players may not have known the rules at the time of the violations (pre-Nov, 2009)

by **danwismar** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:47 pm

http://twitter.com/#!/ramzyn/status/45207527926923264

ElevenWarriors tweets: We're hearing Tressel will admit wrongdoing tonight, sanctions and suspension possible.

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:49 pm

The second line on MSN Homepage is "Tressel Hid Violations".

I'm starting to think maybe this might just be a big to do over nothing.

At least that's what I hope. ;-) ;) :wink:

by **danwismar** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:54 pm

Gee has spoken to AP today. here is the quote....not terribly informative or clear...

"We have reported a violation, a perceived violation, that we were having discussions with them (the NCAA) about the best way to handle it. We reported that immediately when we found it."

by **JCoz** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:04 pm

danwismar wrote:Gee has spoken to AP today. here is the quote....not terribly informative or clear...

"We have reported a violation, a perceived violation, that we were having discussions with them (the NCAA) about the best way to handle it. We reported that immediately when we found it."

Lets hope they didn't find it yesterday around 8pm.

by jb » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:19 pm

Triple-S wrote:Since the poster above me was a YSU recruit back in the day. What was Tressel and his staff's reputation as far as running a clean program versus the rest of D-I FB schools out there?

Clearly, he can't tell you.

He was too busy washing Ray Issaac's Escalade on his recruiting visit cursing Bob Davie.

by **gotribe31** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:59 pm

danwismar wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:I'd also like to thank Dan who has begun to slowely back me away from the ledge upon which I am so precariously perched.

If I decide to jump at about 7:30 tonight, I'm dragging you off the ledge with me.

After the past couple weeks, I'll happily come with you if you decide to go. At least eleven people have stopped by my desk today, grinning like jackasses, asking me if I've seen the news. I punched the last one in the ribs, hard enough to let him know that yes, I have seen the news and I'm sick if people asking me about it.

by **JCoz** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:07 pm

gotribe31 wrote:
danwismar wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:I'd also like to thank Dan who has begun to slowely back me away from the ledge upon which I am so precariously perched.

If I decide to jump at about 7:30 tonight, I'm dragging you off the ledge with me.

After the past couple weeks, I'll happily come with you if you decide to go. At least eleven people have stopped by my desk today, grinning like jackasses, asking me if I've seen the news. I punched the last one in the ribs, hard enough to let him know that yes, I have seen the news and I'm sick if people asking me about it.

There are college football fans in Fairfax?

by **skatingtripods** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:58 pm

Not sure how accurate this guy is, but...

BeauBishop BEAU BISHOP
by ABAOSTO
we're hearing two game suspension for tress is what osu is offering up. find out for certain at 7

by **waborat** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:06 pm

2 weeks in Hawaii...

So who's Deepthroat?

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:06 pm

$250,000 fine.

Smith confirms he is coming back.

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:12 pm

He's just rambling now.

by **skatingtripods** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:12 pm

Jim's really fighting back the emotion. Also being extremely vague, obviously for good reason since it's an ongoing federal investigation.

by **waborat** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:14 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:He's just rambling now.

Kinda reminds me of the "day he was hired" speech...

Blah, blah, blah

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:15 pm

2nd time he said "Not involved in any criminal activity".

by **skatingtripods** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:17 pm

I'm sure this will sound stupid, but to summarize...Is Tressel saying that the tattoo shop that the kids traded merchandise for tattoos is being used as a front for selling drugs?

Orville Redenbacher to the podium.

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:17 pm

And now our Ivy League educated Court Jester, Gordon Gee.

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:19 pm

skatingtripods wrote:I'm sure this will sound stupid, but to summarize...Is Tressel saying that the tattoo shop that the kids traded merchandise for tattoos is being used as a front for selling drugs?

Orville Redenbacher to the podium.

I don't think so, i'm pretty sure it's still open.

by **skatingtripods** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:23 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I don't think so, i'm pretty sure it's still open.

Well then I have no idea what the hell's going on.

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:26 pm

I love Columbus. It's being carried on all 4 local stations.

by **FUDU** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:27 pm

All this drama today over that violation?

Make him accountable, if need be hit the school with a slap on the wrist (like every other more significant violation in the sport gets) and be done with it.

...and I missed part of Training Day for all this crap?

by **JCoz** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:29 pm

I think what he's saying is pretty iffy. Hard to believe he isn't smart enough to take it to the OSU legal staff.

The federal investigation may be enough to help him/OSU avoid more serious sanctions than would normally apply to a violation of this magnitude.

I missed the first few minutes, what did Gene say about them being in the process of self reporting this incident? What little I heard was...well I'd rather not comment without know what he said at the beginning of what I heard.

by **waborat** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:31 pm

FUDU wrote:All this drama today over that violation?

Akron & Toledo are walkin around with bones

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:33 pm

waborat wrote:
FUDU wrote:All this drama today over that violation?

Akron & Toledo are walkin around with bones

Alot of corpses in Akron and T-Town, eh?

by **waborat** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:33 pm

JCoz wrote:I think what he's saying is pretty iffy. Hard to believe he isn't smart enough to take it to the OSU legal staff.

The federal investigation may be enough to help him/OSU avoid more serious sanctions than would normally apply to a violation of this magnitude.

I missed the first few minutes, what did Gene say about them being in the process of self reporting this incident? What little I heard was...well I'd rather not comment without know what he said at the beginning of what I heard.

Gene pretty much said they were going to announce it when they had their P&Qs, but the "leak" forced them to do it immediately

by **FUDU** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:33 pm

waborat wrote:
FUDU wrote:All this drama today over that violation?

Akron & Toledo are walkin around with bones

Shhh, Alonzo is about to get his ass kicked.

by **waborat** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:35 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
waborat wrote:
FUDU wrote:All this drama today over that violation?

Akron & Toledo are walkin around with bones

Alot of corpses in Akron and T-Town, eh?

Losing 25% of the starters & the HC should give ya sum kinda hope

by **SoulDawg74** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:35 pm

Two game suspension and $250.000.00 fine and a public apology ..............

Gee wilikers that aplogy is gonna be tough ....:)

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:36 pm

waborat wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
waborat wrote:
FUDU wrote:All this drama today over that violation?

Akron & Toledo are walkin around with bones

Alot of corpses in Akron and T-Town, eh?

Losing 25% of the starters & the HC should give ya sum kinda hope

lol.

No.

by **FUDU** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:37 pm

Ok so 24-6, instead of 38-10.

by **Fire Marshall Bill** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:37 pm

JT should claim he didn't know but his father did

Sig line worthy ^^^^^^^^^^

...and FTR, in spite of my prickyness here w/yinz re: OSU, I don't like seeing this anymore than OSU fans cuz it diminishes the only sport I really truly enjoy anymore...college football

Perish the thought that SV is no better than Bobby Bowden

2 cent via PSU fan

by **JCoz** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:38 pm

waborat wrote:
JCoz wrote:I think what he's saying is pretty iffy. Hard to believe he isn't smart enough to take it to the OSU legal staff.

The federal investigation may be enough to help him/OSU avoid more serious sanctions than would normally apply to a violation of this magnitude.

I missed the first few minutes, what did Gene say about them being in the process of self reporting this incident? What little I heard was...well I'd rather not comment without know what he said at the beginning of what I heard.

Gene pretty much said they were going to announce it when they had their P&Qs, but the "leak" forced them to do it immediately

OK, saw that. Guess I didn't miss anything then.

by **FUDU** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:41 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
JT should claim he didn't know but his father did

Sig line worthy ^^^^^^^^^^

...and FTR, in spite of my prickyness here w/yinz re: OSU, I don't like seeing this anymore than OSU fans cuz it diminishes the only sport I really truly enjoy anymore...college football

Perish the thought that SV is no better than Bobby Bowden

2 cent via PSU fan

Yeah now NCs mean way way more to JT's legacy then they did 24 hours ago b/c prior to today the guy could of probably had a great legacy based on his image alone (assuming continued standard B10 titles and winning bowl record).

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:42 pm

Peek isn't here because his head exploded after reading Pryor and Brewster's tweets on this matter.

by **waborat** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:46 pm

JCoz wrote:OK, saw that. Guess I didn't miss anything then.

You mean you didn't see Gene, Gene The Dancin Machine & "Golly" Gee's duet of "Carmen Ohio" at the beginning??? :nanner:

by **waborat** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:49 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Peek isn't here because his head exploded after reading Pryor and Brewster's tweets on this matter.

Naw, prolly gettin closer w/ God

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:54 pm

waborat wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Peek isn't here because his head exploded after reading Pryor and Brewster's tweets on this matter.

Naw, prolly gettin closer w/ God

On a Tuesday?

And which God?

by **e0y2e3** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:58 pm

EOD this hurts OSU. Doesn't kill em but it hurts.

Kids like Curtis Grant coming to OSU because of how awesome Jimmy T is... things like the sweater vest.... all gone...... and thus far only a self inflicted penalty.

We've been through this game with USC and Wetzel's investigative team is always right. If this NCAA decides to kill over this they probably can and will have to due to the public image crush. USC self penalized what... twice?

This won't destroy the program, but the singular competitive edge OSU had over the SEC and USC/Oregon was character.

That being destroyed (and we can argue whether or not it should be destroyed, I don't care, this is college paying athletes world and it is) is BAD.

by **FUDU** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:00 pm

True, but I think winning could cure that quickly. Obviously we'll find out soon enough.

by **e0y2e3** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:01 pm

Oh and to answer SSS' question (fuck you JB)......

JT only recruited me before I committed, he was gone when I got there and I had very little interaction. That said there have always been rumors floating around Y-Town about the process being dirty. No clue what that means and I don't really give a fuck. I'd put my heart on the line to say that JT runs a program cleaner than most of college football. But lying on a compliance issue that is known is a whole new can of worms. Them big worms too.

by **jta1975** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:12 pm

Are you defined by the 99 times you did the stand up thing. The times you did the "right thing" when it was against the grain and did it for principle.

Should you be defined by the rule or the exception to the rule. It depends on the offense IMO. My opinion of JT is no different today then it was before. This an accept, take responsibility, and move on situation.

In general, I still have faith in his program from an integrity stand point. I hope the coming investigations prove me right.

You know for some the old expression of 1 "oh shit" will trump a thousand "at a boys" will fit for this situation. Not form me........YET!

I hope the whole thing isn't built on mirrors because the glass can kill on the way down.

by **DannyBoy** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:22 pm

"Whistles, walks away."

by **JCoz** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:26 pm

I'd like to see these emails

by **Erie Warrior** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:47 pm

Brian Kelly killed a kid. What did he get? Bullshit.

by **danwismar** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:48 pm

I thought Tressel started strong and got weaker as he went along....and then almost wilted entirely when asked directly why he didn't sit the players immediately.

Seems to me he could have just said he wasn't sure there was any criminality involved (which it turned out, there wasn't) and that he had no reason to believe the kids would necessarily have been ineligible at the time.

The tongue bath Gee gave Tressel at the end was just embarrassing. Both Smith and JT came off way better than that bozo.

Gonna go read the emails.

Edit: Having seen more info, it does seem clear Tressel was aware of the merchandise sales by players in April. No getting around that. The decision he made was at bottom, a self-serving one, even if players did benefit too.

Hope they don't vacate the season

by **skatingtripods** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:23 pm

JCoz wrote:I'd like to see these emails

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/documents ... ails-29547

by **Cerebral_DownTime** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:32 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
JCoz wrote:I'd like to see these emails

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/documents ... ails-29547

2 of the 3 contain "What I tell you is confidential". Now how far that extends and what it really means..... I got not clue.

by **waborat** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:38 pm

Friggin technology...

Years ago, it woulda been an anonymous call on a rotary

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