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E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby fundamentals » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:30 am

It would appear tOSU's president isn't fond of these two schools:

I do know, having been both a Southeastern Conference president and a Big Ten president, that it's like murderer's row every week for these schools. We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor. We play very fine schools on any given day.


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Re: G. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:31 am

fundamentals wrote:It would appear tOSU's president isn't fond of these two schools:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5845736


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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:25 pm

Thread title should have been "GG - STFU and govern"
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby fundamentals » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:32 pm

FUDU wrote:Thread title should have been "GG - STFU and govern"


Sorry sir. :hide: Boise should bring in Pres. Gee to carry out the sledgehammer prior to their last home contest. :pigs:
"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:48 pm

GG has no business chiming in on this at this juncture. IF his Buckeyes were say unbeaten and some how being left out then I could at least understand. But seeing as how OSU could easily be put into a spotlight bowl they do not necessarily deserve he should go back to working 4 hour days and ShuttingTFU.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:01 pm

Gee obviously has no clue how poor Ohio State's strength of schedule has been the last few seasons, and how favorably Boise's compares to it this year. Also, Boise played Toledo this year, New Mexico State every year, and Oregon last year. tOSU played all three last season.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:10 pm

This coming from the man who said, "This tie is one of our greatest wins ever!"

'nuff said
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Unread postby Triple-S » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:08 pm

..is the guy with his hand on the button, has no idea about the game, nor what it means to be a student-athelete.

"If you put a gun to my head and said, 'What are you going to do about a playoff system [if] the BCS system as it now exists goes away?' I would vote immediately to go back to the bowl system," he said.

He said the current system is better for the student-athletes.

"It's not about this incessant drive to have a national championship because I think that's a slippery slope to professionalism," he said. "I'm a fan of the bowl system and I think that by and large it's worked very, very well."


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Sorry, why is Gee, who claimed that TOSU's tie over Meatchicken was the greatest "W" in buckeye history, have the final say on whether or not we can have a playoff in college football and what is apparently good or bad for student athletes?

The reason why he's so adamant about having a Bowl System is becuase it allows his school to get the max. amount of money without having to worry about it decreasing and sharing some of his cash with say, a Kent st.

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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby pup » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:28 pm

Don't hate because of the messenger. What he says is true and is the thought of every member of the Big 10, Pac 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC and maybe even the Big Least.

If either team played in one of those conferences, they are losing a game. No doubt about it. Replace TCU with Northwestern. We are talking about Northwestern needing to win 1 nonconference game per year and then run the table against 7 Indianas. I think they could do it once every 5 years and play for the NC.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby JacksonDysonJackson » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:13 pm

Not sure why this is a story at all.

Didnt he essentially make the same argument that every anti Boise and TCU tv/radio personality has made all season long?
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:25 pm

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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby hermanfontenot » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:44 pm

GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:Gee obviously has no clue how poor Ohio State's strength of schedule has been the last few seasons, and how favorably Boise's compares to it this year.


You obviously have no clue as to just how bad the Western Athletic Conference is. Basically, once you get past Boise, Nevada and maybe Hawaii or Fresno, the WAC is a gussied-up version of the Big Sky.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby mikeperry » Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:35 am

I am now rooting for an Ohio State - Boise State BCS Bowl. If the Broncos don't get into the championship game, would love to see them lock horns with the Bucs.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby furls » Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:26 am

Only a story because Gee said what knowledgeable fans say every day. Whether the argument is good, bad or ugly or you agree or disagree, it has a valid point. The fact of the matter is that why should we limit it to TCU or BSU then? Why not give undefeated MAC and C-USA teams auto-berths too?

Unfortunately Gee just made OSU the billboard material for all the BSU/TCU shrills in the world. Now, should OSU lose to a TCU or BSU then... yikes.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby Spin » Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:18 pm

hermanfontenot wrote:
GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:Gee obviously has no clue how poor Ohio State's strength of schedule has been the last few seasons, and how favorably Boise's compares to it this year.


You obviously have no clue as to just how bad the Western Athletic Conference is. Basically, once you get past Boise, Nevada and maybe Hawaii or Fresno, the WAC is a gussied-up version of the Big Sky.


And the bottom half of the Big Ten would have a real challenge in the WAC, MWC, CUSA, and MAC. Using Sagarin Ratings as a gauge...

So 104th ranked Minnesota or 105th ranked Indiana should be eligible for something 3rd and 4th shouldn't? Just because of their conference? I'm glad college basketball isn't controlled by those elitists...
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby furls » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:39 am

College hoops isn't even close to the same thing. All you need in NCAAB to be competitive is a (one) great player. That great player (Curry) can take a team pretty far by himself. In NCAAF your best player only plays 1/2 the game at 1/11th of the positions. The effect of a great player is reduced greatly based on the size of the field and the number of players on it. Due to the non demanding physical nature and quick recovery, the tourney can take the 68 best teams. If it was limited to the top 2 best teams (or ten if you count all of the B10 in your anti small guy conspiracy) you would be bringing the same weak argument.

And the bottom half of the Big Ten would have a real challenge in the WAC, MWC, CUSA, and MAC. Using Sagarin Ratings as a gauge...


No one is arguing that the bottom of the B10 would struggle to win the MWC or WAC, the point is that winning the WAC or MWC (or MAC or C-USA or Big Sky) is really not that big of a deal and that simply winning all your games does not make you the best team in the country.

BSU has only played two teams from BCS conferences; VaTech and Oregon State. VaTech is an OK win and Oregon state is 5-5. The WAC is garbage; the only decent teams are BSU and Nevada. The MWC is only slightly better.

The issue is that outside of the top 2 teams in the MWC or WAC the rest of the conference is almost literally a bye week. LA Tech, Colorado St, SJSU, and the like. It is the fact that the middle of the pack in the B10 is teams like Iowa, Penn St, and NW. That is a far cry from the middle of the WACs: Fresno State, La Tech and Idaho. The problem is even worse in the SEC. BSU/TCU want the BCS? Petition and join the B12 if they will have you.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby leadpipe » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:46 am

furls wrote:College hoops isn't even close to the same thing. All you need in NCAAB to be competitive is a (one) great player. That great player (Curry) can take a team pretty far by himself. In NCAAF your best player only plays 1/2 the game at 1/11th of the positions. The effect of a great player is reduced greatly based on the size of the field and the number of players on it. Due to the non demanding physical nature and quick recovery, the tourney can take the 68 best teams. If it was limited to the top 2 best teams (or ten if you count all of the B10 in your anti small guy conspiracy) you would be bringing the same weak argument.

And the bottom half of the Big Ten would have a real challenge in the WAC, MWC, CUSA, and MAC. Using Sagarin Ratings as a gauge...


No one is arguing that the bottom of the B10 would struggle to win the MWC or WAC, the point is that winning the WAC or MWC (or MAC or C-USA or Big Sky) is really not that big of a deal and that simply winning all your games does not make you the best team in the country.

BSU has only played two teams from BCS conferences; VaTech and Oregon State. VaTech is an OK win and Oregon state is 5-5. The WAC is garbage; the only decent teams are BSU and Nevada. The MWC is only slightly better.

The issue is that outside of the top 2 teams in the MWC or WAC the rest of the conference is almost literally a bye week. LA Tech, Colorado St, SJSU, and the like. It is the fact that the middle of the pack in the B10 is teams like Iowa, Penn St, and NW. That is a far cry from the middle of the WACs: Fresno State, La Tech and Idaho. The problem is even worse in the SEC. BSU/TCU want the BCS? Petition and join the B12 if they will have you.


And this leads us to last night. Mentioned this in the thread in the Browns section, but the kicker yaks last night. Happened to be playing someone with a pulse. How many hiccups does Boise get away with on a yearly basis against Wyoming that nobody the hell knows about? The teams that pay the price wekk in and week out have earned the right to get the benefits they get over the Boise's of the world.

And Moore for the Heisman? Nice player, but was sacked FIVE times going into last night. Livin' in a totally different world than Cam, Pryor, Murray and the like.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby Spin » Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:27 pm

Point is, in football, unless you're in a legacy conference, why try? (And apparently that's how some local schools think :gah: ). You can build a powerhouse, but because of "strength of schedule", you're somehow lesser then teams in the elitist conferences. Even though half of the teams the legacy schools play in the elitist conferences are fodder anywhere.

If the elitist conferences had relegation and promotion, I'd buy the BCS. But when the third and fourth best programs in the country don't have the same privileges Indifrickenana does, that's something you would expect in small time college sports. Not the top.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:49 pm

I think it's pretty clear that as a conference, the WAC is less than stellar. The real question is, is this BSU team good enough to win 10 games in the other conferences? I think they win 10 in the PAC 10, Big 12, ACC and Big East. 9 in the Big 10 and 8 in the SEC. Are they the best team in the country, obviously not, but they are pretty darn good. Their skill players are good enough to give match up problems to just about every team in the nation, and the defense is decent.

Pipe is right, they can hide the hiccups in a weak conference, but they have been winning by 40+ points a game. They don't hiccup that often.

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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:02 pm

Spin wrote:If the elitist conferences had relegation and promotion, I'd buy the BCS. But when the third and fourth best programs in the country don't have the same privileges Indifrickenana does, that's something you would expect in small time college sports. Not the top.


Meh... those "third and fourth best programs in the country", as you call them, wouldn't even be that high if they played a steady diet of teams like "Indi-fricken-ana" in my opinion.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:34 pm

furls wrote:College hoops isn't even close to the same thing. All you need in NCAAB to be competitive is a (one) great player. That great player (Curry) can take a team pretty far by himself. In NCAAF your best player only plays 1/2 the game at 1/11th of the positions. The effect of a great player is reduced greatly based on the size of the field and the number of players on it.


Meanwhile, Auburn's Two Hundred Thousand Dollar Man overcame a twenty-point deficit in the Iron Bowl, paving its way to a soon-to-be-vacated BCS Title game.

The problem is even worse in the SEC. BSU/TCU want the BCS? Petition and join the B12 if they will have you.


What, you think Texas and Oklahoma want more competition in the French XII? You put in another real team and suddenly that sweet sweet BCS bowl money is harder to reach for!.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby furls » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:49 pm

What, you think Texas and Oklahoma want more competition in the French XII? You put in another real team and suddenly that sweet sweet BCS bowl money is harder to reach for!.


Please tell me who killed Kennedy too. Seriously, you think there is a nationwide conspiracy to keep BSU/TCU out? B10 teams make less money from BCS games than they do from normal home games. The teams really don't really profit that much from a BCS berth. OSU will only make ~1.5m for making a BCS game, OSU makes ~5-7m per home game. There is no conference conspiracy to keep teams out, what keeps BSU/TCU out of the BXII is more likely there inability to produce anything worth a crap in any other sport, therefore not making them worth the travel expense.

Like I said, winning all your crap conference games does not make you the best team in the country. Anyone who is seriously comparing the WAC or MWC to the SEC, B10, P10 or BXII is an idiot. Like many have said, BSU and TCU are nice teams that may or may not be able to compete with the upper echelon's of the upper conferences, but the rest of their conference is such dogshit that it makes it impossible to justify finding out. I think BSU/TCU is a #3 type team in any of the major conferences and honestly pbly about a 15-20ish team in the country if they were forced to play in a real conference. They are not bad teams, they are just not top 1-2 teams.
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:31 pm

furls wrote:Please tell me who killed Kennedy too.


Lee Harvey Oswald.

Seriously, you think there is a nationwide conspiracy to keep BSU/TCU out?


Where did I say there was a nationwide conspiracy? Its a matter of when not if the Pac-10 will come knocking on Boise's door, I'm just cracking on the French XII turning into Texas's playground.

Like I said, winning all your crap conference games does not make you the best team in the country. Anyone who is seriously comparing the WAC or MWC to the SEC, B10, P10 or BXII is an idiot.


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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby mattvan1 » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:39 pm

pup wrote:Don't hate because of the messenger. What he says is true and is the thought of every member of the Big 10, Pac 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC and maybe even the Big Least.


Not the point. Yes, what he says is true. We all know it. Joe the Plumber knows. SEC Neckcar Dothan Alabama guy knows. Even Timmy B and Gus Johnson know.

Why does Dr. Gee feel the need to make a statement? Much like Abram Elam, what purpose did this serve?
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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

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Re: E. Gordon Gee's take on Boise State, TCU

Unread postby Spin » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:53 pm

Erie Warrior wrote:Spin- congrats on not going O-fer. BTW, did you see the Golden Flashes play like MEN yesterday?


I was kind of busy getting ready to watch the Division I tournament in person. Sweet 16 bound. Did they play soccer at Kent this year, or are they still waiting for the one ball to blow down off the roor?

I did hear about the Kent game. They were playing a MAC school. So according to this thread, it doesn't count. ;-) ;) :wink:

Hell Akron won a game last week without a real coach or anyone else in the stadium. Top that.
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