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Pinch Hitting choices??

Unread postby OldDawg » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:17 pm

Trot Nixon batting .230 pinch hitting for anyone??
Just because he is a lefty??
I would rather pinch hit CC Sabathia!!

And then we have to watch Barfield look like a little leaguer as he was already 0-4 at the plate.

All the time Shoppach is sittting on the bench with a .330 BA!! :?:
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:20 pm

Sure woulda been nice to have Lofton coming off the bench. (mooning)
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Unread postby CP » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:32 pm

Peeker643 wrote:Sure woulda been nice to have Lofton coming off the bench. (mooning)


Well....

he clearly would have been a better option there, though:

1) leaving michaels to bat
2) putting the batboy in
3) telling Nixon to throw himself in front of the ball 3 times

would have all been better options than sending him up there to hit
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:33 pm

Amen brother.

Amen.
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Unread postby captain_wahoo » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:35 pm

Kenny...Kenny...Kenny...Kenny....awww you get the idea
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Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:49 am

"Lean in to one Stein."
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Re: Pinch Hitting choices??

Unread postby CLEfan86 » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:52 am

OldDawh wrote:Trot Nixon batting .230 pinch hitting for anyone??
Just because he is a lefty??
I would rather pinch hit CC Sabathia!!

And then we have to watch Barfield look like a little leaguer as he was already 0-4 at the plate.

All the time Shoppach is sittting on the bench with a .330 BA!! :?:


I'm just as baffled as you are. I was down at the game and saw Nixon up to pinch hit. Before a pitch is thrown to Nixon I'm immediately going Why? A cold, over the hill outfielder is going to be geared up for Bobby Jenks... ugh.
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Unread postby tribefan333 » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:35 am

Barfield I almost understand because of his speed--even though you want that tie run in no matter what, Josh on the basepaths for Grady would have been fun to watch.

I can't believe Shoppach didn't hit for Jason in the 9th-I can't believe it.
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Unread postby intenso » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:41 am

has Wedge ever used his backup catcher to pinch hit?
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Unread postby scott » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:31 am

intenso wrote:has Wedge ever used his backup catcher to pinch hit?


Shoppach twice this year. He hit a game winning home run.
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Unread postby The Math God » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:50 am

not wise to use the backup catcher to pinch hit as if you tie the game and go into extra innings and have to replace an injured catcher your only choice is you emergency catcher.
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Unread postby consigliere » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:53 am

Emergency catcher is Garko.

And, you can't PH Shoppach for Barfield. Barfield is a regular, and one of our best clutch hitters all year.
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Unread postby OldDawg » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:58 am

The Math God wrote:not wise to use the backup catcher to pinch hit as if you tie the game and go into extra innings and have to replace an injured catcher your only choice is you emergency catcher.


I am not talking about pinch hitting in the 7th inning.
I am not talking about pinch hitting early in the 9th.
I am talking about pinch hitting in the bottom of the 9th with two outs and the tieing run on second.

Don't get me wrong, I like Barfield. And I agree that Barfield has had some clutch hits this year, but there is a reason he is batting 9th...he is our worst hitter. His BA stinks. And he looked like he didn't have a clue last night at the plate.

I would rather go to extra innings without a back-up catcher and with momentum, than not get to extra innings at all.
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Unread postby neoleo » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:25 pm

Consigliere wrote:Emergency catcher is Garko.

And, you can't PH Shoppach for Barfield. Barfield is a regular, and one of our best clutch hitters all year.


I'm with Consig on this. Its one of those unwritten rules to not pinch hit for your regulars. You pinch hit for platoon guys, young guys, a fourth outfielder, utility guy making a start, etc. You don't risk losing the confidence of the only option we have to play 2B at the major league level. I stick with Barfield in that situation 100 times out of 100.

Also, in those two times that Shoppach pinch hit this year, I'm willing to bet that either the bench was severely depleted by that point in the game, or Victor Martinez had already been lifted for a pinch runner and Shoppach was going to enter the game defensively anyway.
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Unread postby OldDawg » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:45 pm

NEOLeo wrote:I'm with Consig on this. Its one of those unwritten rules to not pinch hit for your regulars. You pinch hit for platoon guys, young guys, a fourth outfielder, utility guy making a start, etc.


Then do you pinch hit Nixon as a lefty with his .230 BA or would you PH with Shoppach at .330 instead for Michaels?

Righty-lefty stuff drives me nuts when you ignore all the other factors.
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Unread postby intenso » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:46 pm

NEOLeo wrote:
Also, in those two times that Shoppach pinch hit this year, I'm willing to bet that either the bench was severely depleted by that point in the game, or Victor Martinez had already been lifted for a pinch runner and Shoppach was going to enter the game defensively anyway.



Against Oakland, Francisco ran for VMart before Shop pinch hit. Against the Angles he pinch hit for VMart in the 9th inning of a 8-0 loss.
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Unread postby neoleo » Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:16 pm

OldDawh wrote: Then do you pinch hit Nixon as a lefty with his .230 BA or would you PH with Shoppach at .330 instead for Michaels?

Righty-lefty stuff drives me nuts when you ignore all the other factors.


I say take Shoppach out of the equation because he's not pinch hitting for anybody unless Vic's already been spent.

Then your realistic options (basically that just means I'm leaving Rouse out of the discussion) come down to: letting Michaels face a tough righty in Jenks, pinch hitting Francisco (who although is righty, we know about his split), or pinch hit Nixon.

Out of that group, I probably would prefer Fransisco because I like him and he's been successful (although he's cooling off as of late). We all saw how succesful Michaels was in facing righties last year, but the problem with using Francisco there is he's a rookie who has never faced Jenks. Off the top of my head, I don't know Nixon's career numbers vs. Jenks, but if you don't pinch hit Nixon there, then he might as well not even have a roster spot (which may be the point you're trying to make-and I don't neccesarilly disagree with you, but he's here and he's not going anywhere, so you have to use him).
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Unread postby consigliere » Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:31 pm

Folks, it is an unwritten rule you don't burn your backup catcher as a pinch-hitter.

While the criticism is noted, I think we are being over critical of it. You stick with Barfield there 100 times out of 100.

Plus, Shoppach is hitting like .118 in July and not swinging a good bat the last three weeks.
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