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by sdtribefan » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:03 am
by gdbenz » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:43 am
by leadpipe » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:34 am
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:00 am
by cozmeesah » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:23 pm
By the way, the article and opinion was not ignorant. That reply was.
by sdtribefan » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:26 pm
by Steve Buffum » Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:35 pm
I will leave it up to you whether I should respond to Perry Mason or do a Hamilton Burger.
by sdtribefan » Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:31 am
by buckeyehoppy » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:06 pm
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:I'd say all that factors in along with the economic state of the city and of Ohio in general. It sounds to me like a lot of people have to pick and choose what they want to see and right now the Cavs and Browns are bigger draws.If the Tribe gets back to the postseason then I think people will be far more consistent with attendance next year. A solid playoff run will get people excited again.
by smtp » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:40 pm
by pup » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:11 pm
by swerb » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:21 pm
by leadpipe » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:44 pm
Swerb wrote:Really, for me, it comes down to just a couple things with the attendance issue.You have sizable chunk of fans that resent the Dolans. And you have another chunk (many not in the Anti-Dolan Group) that just doesn't believe in this team.All the people that cite the northeast Ohio economic swoon, or competition with the Cavs and Browns for the sports entertainment dollars ... I don't buy that. This city is absolutely starving for a winner. When they feel they have one in town, they will show up in big numbers at the box office.But the masses just aren't buying in yet. The people dedicated enough to frequent sites like this are buying in for the most part. But Joe Fan? They haven't emotionaly or financially vested yet.And it's not hard to see why. Think about it. Most fans think the manager is a moron. They have one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball. They were forced to sign has beens like Dellucci, Nixon, Oldberto while our AL competitors signed big name guys like Sheffield and Matsuzaka. The team sucked em back in two years ago, then ripped their eyes out with the 7th biggest statistical collapse in the 140 year history of the sport over the seasons final week.Joe Fan is distracted by all of that, and isn't even looking closely enough to see and realize that this is one of the best teams in all of baseball. With legitimate title aspirations for a franchise that hasn't won one in 59 years.And then there is The Dolan Factor. A large segment of the fan base (20% on sites like this, 60% of Joe Fans) simply resents the Dolans. All they see is that the payroll once was once the 4th highest in baseball. And we were winners. Now, it's the 7th lowest (even lower in past years). And we haven't been contenders since Clinton was still getting blown in the White House. And Jacobs owned the team.One fan put it very well to me in an email when he said the following after reading the excellent pieces by Benz and Cousineau."If Larry Dolan is only willing to spend his money on the team when its absolutely necessary, why shouldn't I do the same? I won't even think about spending a penny at that stadium until September."
by ArtGold » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:06 am
by Duane Kuiper » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:36 pm
by furls » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:30 pm
For counties with 250,000 or more people in 2005, median household income ranged from $98,483 in Loudoun County, Va., to $24,501 in Hidalgo County, Texas. (The estimate for Loudoun County, Va., was not significantly different from the estimate for Fairfax County, Va. Also, the estimate for Hidalgo County, Texas, was not significantly different from the estimate for Cameron County, Texas.) For cities of similar size, median household incomes ranged from $71,560 in Plano, Texas, to $24,105 in Cleveland. (The estimate for Plano, Texas, was not significantly different from the estimate for San Jose, Calif. Also, the estimate for Cleveland was not significantly different from the estimate for Miami.
by swerb » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:21 pm
by furls » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:49 pm
I'll say this. Seems like half the people I shared beers with before Cavs playoff games were poor dudes that found a way to pony up a couple hundy for seats.
by ArtGold » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:27 pm
by ArtGold » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:28 pm
by pup » Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:16 pm
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