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Berkman???

Unread postby captain_wahoo » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:46 pm

On Cleveland.com they posted that Munch (a local dj on a sports show??) mentioned a deal of Sowers and Garko for Lance Berkman. anyone know anything about this?? Berkman has a no trade clause, but could waive it. He makes 14.5 million for the next few years. If it is true that Pronk is resigned and we get Berkman, then CC has to be gone I would assume. I live in Toledo, so I don't get to hear the local talk, let me know if anyone has heard anything about this.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:07 pm

Good Lord, Houston would never do that. (Trust me, look at my location.)
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Unread postby captain_wahoo » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:08 pm

I'm looking at their stats...at this point is Berkman that much of an upgrade over Garko to accomodate a 14.5 million dollar salary?
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Unread postby tribefan333 » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:16 pm

This is a deal that I would not do.

Garko: .294, 09 HR-----Around 400,000
Berkman: .267, 14 HR-----Around 14,000,000

I do want Ryan to add some power him playing first base, but not at the expense of several million (not to mention CC will be GONE if this does happen) and a young arm. Sowers can be traded, but not at this expense.
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Unread postby Babrook » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:55 pm

This deal would cause my to rip out my hair.

Hey, let's destory ALL chances we have at keeping CC! WOOPWOOP.
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Unread postby TribeinLA » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:28 pm

Lance would not be much of an upgrade for that deal, considering - as pointed out - the cost. Rediculous. Do we wanna sign CC or do we wanna play ball ala Texas Rangers and try to outhit everyone? I think Hafner is as good of a hitter as Lance. I saw Lance play college ball 3 years in a row at Rice. He was damn good and is still good. Jose Cruz, Jr and he reaked havoc on pitchers in college. Berkman hit 40 HR his final season with the Owls. I knew then how good he'd be (1997) and even thought what he would do if we had him. 3 years ago - I say hell yeah. Now, I say no, no, no. Don't even think about it!
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Unread postby pup » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:00 am

What? Are you guus for real?

If you can trade Ryan Garko and Jermy Sowers for the right handed versionof Lance Berkman (his bad side), you accept. If you get both sides of the plate from him? Where can I sign?
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Unread postby Babrook » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:08 am

Pup wrote:What? Are you guus for real?

If you can trade Ryan Garko and Jermy Sowers for the right handed versionof Lance Berkman (his bad side), you accept. If you get both sides of the plate from him? Where can I sign?


Do you want to toss away the only chance we have at keeping our ace?
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Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:35 am

Babrook wrote:
Pup wrote:What? Are you guus for real?

If you can trade Ryan Garko and Jermy Sowers for the right handed versionof Lance Berkman (his bad side), you accept. If you get both sides of the plate from him? Where can I sign?


Do you want to toss away the only chance we have at keeping our ace?


Putting moves that can help the team on hold for one man is a dangerous way to run a team.

I think it all hinges on the fact if you believe the Cleveland Indians are able to offer the richest contract in baseball history as far as starting pitchers are concerned. Because, this is what he is going to be offered, and this is what he will sign. All the hometown discount talk is wishful, wishful thinking.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:19 pm

Lead Pipe wrote:
Babrook wrote:
Pup wrote:What? Are you guus for real?

If you can trade Ryan Garko and Jermy Sowers for the right handed versionof Lance Berkman (his bad side), you accept. If you get both sides of the plate from him? Where can I sign?


Do you want to toss away the only chance we have at keeping our ace?


Putting moves that can help the team on hold for one man is a dangerous way to run a team.

I think it all hinges on the fact if you believe the Cleveland Indians are able to offer the richest contract in baseball history as far as starting pitchers are concerned. Because, this is what he is going to be offered, and this is what he will sign. All the hometown discount talk is wishful, wishful thinking.


I make that deal as fast as I can dial the number.
Garko is a fine young hitter. But he doesn't project out to Berkman who still has 7-9 years left at 31 (maybe more in the AL). Though Berkman has had a bad half he'd get a load of help in the Tribe offense. And he's a good outfielder.

People are a lot higher on Sowers than I am. No one swings and misses at Sowers. He needs to be perfect with his location because he's 84-88 and has no margin for error. And it's really hard to be perfect, especially after he's been around the league once now.


CC is not here after next year. It's just that simple. You guys are used to the cycle of a small market team by now. Accept it and hope you can ride him to deep into a playoffs this year or next and hope he brings at least close to what Colon brought.
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Unread postby Babrook » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:42 pm

Lead Pipe wrote:
All the hometown discount talk is wishful, wishful thinking.


Too bad the hometown discount will go to Oakland or San Fransisco.
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Unread postby Dozen » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:53 pm

Babrook wrote:
Lead Pipe wrote:
All the hometown discount talk is wishful, wishful thinking.


Too bad the hometown discount will go to Oakland or San Fransisco.


Speaking of those 2 teams do you really see Oakland throwing big dollars at him? It's not their style. And would SF after giving Zito all that loot?
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:04 pm

Dozen wrote:
Babrook wrote:
Lead Pipe wrote:
All the hometown discount talk is wishful, wishful thinking.


Too bad the hometown discount will go to Oakland or San Fransisco.


Speaking of those 2 teams do you really see Oakland throwing big dollars at him? It's not their style. And would SF after giving Zito all that loot?


Dodgers, Padres, Yankees, Mets makes sense off the top of the head. Red Sox too but for their history of being less than welcoming for black athletes. Yankees because they'll be coming off an embarrassment of epic proportions and will do what they do best: throw cash at the problem.
Mets, Dodgers and Pads all are competitive and allow CC to swing a bat .
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Unread postby pup » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:37 pm

CC will sign with Anaheim.

That is why you make this trade. You have 2 years to win a title.

Grady CF
Blake 3B
Berkman RF
Victor 1B
Pronk DH
Peralta SS
Michales/Fransisco/Nixon LF
Shoppach C
Barfield 2B

Damn, that is an impressive lineup that would be World Series worthy, with this pitching staff. That 3-4-5 is as good as what anyone else can throw out there.
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Unread postby Mr. MacPhisto » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:55 pm

Berkman would fit in nicely with the Indians approach, though Houston would be nuts if they traded him for just Garko and Sowers.

He's not been as good this year but I could see him being better in the AL and a perennial 30+ HR guy, maybe better. He's historically better against righties but does good against lefties.

I would wager that we could get him so cheap because Houston wants to dump the salary. He's definitely pricey. That's the major drawback without even considering the CC issue. Committing so much to a guy through 2010 limits payroll flexibility in the interim and that's bad.
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Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:14 pm

Not a big fan of Berkman.

Too inconsistent with his power.

Plus he is older than most think at 31.

His best years are most likely behind him.

If we are looking at somebody for a semi long haul don't bother with anyone over 28, if looking for a player to put us over the top for a run today then why screw round, just go get Griffey.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:16 pm

Because I'm pretty confident Berkman will play the last half of the season. Are you confident Griffey will?
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