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Pirates Fans to Stage Walk-out

Unread postby Hoover » Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:10 am

It’s ironic that Pirates fans are staging a walkout the same night the team will hand out bobbleheads of former Pittsburgh Pirates pitcher Bob Walk.

Pittsburgh fans are planning to simply get up and leave after the third inning of the team’s game against the Washington Nationals on Saturday. Leaders say it's an attempt to draw national attention to the team's lack of success. But will it compound the Pirates' woes?

“Surely it is not a good thing,” says Covers Expert Scott Rickenbach. “I feel that, even though this walkout could negatively impact the players, the fact is they are professionals and when they're on the field the fans don't affect them to a great extent.”

Protesters are stressing that the slight isn’t aimed at players, but at a management which continues to fail to produce a winning ballclub. At 33-45, the Pirates sit fourth in the NL Central and appear well on their way to their 15th-straight losing season.

“We’re hoping that, at some point, there’s a response from the Pirates that season ticket holders can grab on to and use to make an informed decision whether or not to renew their season tickets next year,” protest leader Andy Chamos told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. “If the Pirates make no commitment to improving the quality of play on the field, I don’t think season ticket holders or corporate sponsors should be required to make that commitment (to buy tickets).


http://www.covers.com/articles/articles ... 143060&t=0

I've read reports that the Pirates are telling Fox Sports Network NOT to air or talk about the walk-out during the game on Saturday versus the Nationals.

Pirate fans have every right to do this, after 15 years of suckitude. But what effect will it have? O's fans did the same kind of thing last year, and what do they have to show for it?
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Unread postby Babrook » Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:50 pm

The Pirates have fans?
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Unread postby FUDU » Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:18 pm

Yeah that is what I was thinking, don't you have to have fans walk in in oder to have a walk out?

That would be like Tribe fans doing this in old Muni on the night Lenny Barker shocked the world. 1,500 people walking out of a 3,000 person crowd in a 80,000 person stadium? Even though we all know it was a sell out that night. Seriously we were all there right? :lol:
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Unread postby Hoover » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:17 pm

Just for the record there were 26,959 fans in Pittsburgh tonite.

Underwood said about 1,000 of them walked out during the 3rd inning, then they came back later. Sounds like a totally ineffective protest.

If anything makes Pirate ownership spend money to contend, it will happen when the fans stay away in droves. That will always grab an owners' attention.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:14 am

These walk outs are really, really dumb. One of the main points of a walk out is its abruptness and the following "shock" value. When, in reality, what are you telling the owners and team officials that they don't already know. A poor idea from some rummy fan with enough sheep to follow him off the cliff.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:22 am

I think the general point of a walk out it legit, but the problem is the way in which fans usually go about it.

Walking out doesn't take much money if any away from the owner.

They spent the money on the ticket already, um it's too late.

Just don't buy any tickets to begin with.
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Unread postby Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:30 am

FUDU wrote:I think the general point of a walk out it legit, but the problem is the way in which fans usually go about it.

Walking out doesn't take much money if any away from the owner.

They spent the money on the ticket already, um it's too late.

Just don't buy any tickets to begin with.


Well, the tickets are a small piece of the pie. Concessions generate equal or greater $$$$/

The best way to send a message is to coordinate thousands of fans not showing up at a game. Better yet, advocate not showing up for a whole series. It'd be hard to get the stadium to be very empty, but 5,000 fans per game for a series would send a message.
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Unread postby StewieG » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:08 am

Concessions are where the money's at. There's a reason it's easy to get a free ticket (radio stations, businesses), and there's especially a reason beers cost $8. And it's not because kegs are so expensive.
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Unread postby Babrook » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:30 am

FUDU wrote:
Just don't buy any tickets to begin with.


You're totally missing the point. If they just said 'LOL K EVERYONE DON'T BUY TICKETS' and people listened, you would just have a low pop game. But with a walkout, it's an action that they can see.
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Unread postby jb » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:09 am

FUDU wrote:I think the general point of a walk out it legit, but the problem is the way in which fans usually go about it.

Walking out doesn't take much money if any away from the owner.

They spent the money on the ticket already, um it's too late.

Just don't buy any tickets to begin with.


Then they tell you that what they spend on players is tied to revenues so it is "your" fault. Then they move "your" team.

Next suggestion?

Personally, I think if they sold out and everyone just took a nap on the 5th inning, it would be the most effective for of protest.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:44 am

Babrook wrote:
FUDU wrote:
Just don't buy any tickets to begin with.


You're totally missing the point. If they just said 'LOL K EVERYONE DON'T BUY TICKETS' and people listened, you would just have a low pop game. But with a walkout, it's an action that they can see.


I think a major point being missed is that these teams don't need a fan walkout to let them know what's going on. Everyone in that organization knows BETTER than the fans what they spend in salary, ticket sales, results on the field and countless other things.

A complete waste of time.
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Unread postby Babrook » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:53 pm

Lead Pipe wrote:
Babrook wrote:
FUDU wrote:
Just don't buy any tickets to begin with.


You're totally missing the point. If they just said 'LOL K EVERYONE DON'T BUY TICKETS' and people listened, you would just have a low pop game. But with a walkout, it's an action that they can see.


I think a major point being missed is that these teams don't need a fan walkout to let them know what's going on. Everyone in that organization knows BETTER than the fans what they spend in salary, ticket sales, results on the field and countless other things.

A complete waste of time.


Really?

Because the Pirates organization seems pretty clueless.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:26 pm

5th inning nap, life experiences are priceless. :lol:

Guys, concessions cannot be sold unless ticket are bought.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:00 pm

Babrook wrote:
Lead Pipe wrote:
Babrook wrote:
FUDU wrote:
Just don't buy any tickets to begin with.


You're totally missing the point. If they just said 'LOL K EVERYONE DON'T BUY TICKETS' and people listened, you would just have a low pop game. But with a walkout, it's an action that they can see.


I think a major point being missed is that these teams don't need a fan walkout to let them know what's going on. Everyone in that organization knows BETTER than the fans what they spend in salary, ticket sales, results on the field and countless other things.

A complete waste of time.


Really?

Because the Pirates organization seems pretty clueless.


They be clueless as how to put a winning team on the field, or, they may be apathetic toward fans that want them to invest more in their market, either way, One thing they know FOR SURE, is what I mentioned earlier, that is, salary, ticket sales and the team's results on the field.

The minute one of these stupid walk-outs actually helps a team start winning, I'll say I was wrong. They are going to get the same result as last year's Baltimore one, or any other previous ones.
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Unread postby Babrook » Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:02 pm

I could care less if they know about profits or not, because they do, and it's apparent that's really all they care about.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:40 pm

Babrook wrote:I could care less if they know about profits or not, because they do, and it's apparent that's really all they care about.


That's my whole point.

Why walk-out to bring attention to something they already know?
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Unread postby lovsgrady » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:21 pm

maybe we should stage, a "walk in" where our fans walk in in the bottom of the first with believe signs, to show that even though attendance had been terrible before this weekend, that there are still people who believe.
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Unread postby Babrook » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:08 pm

Lead Pipe wrote:
Babrook wrote:I could care less if they know about profits or not, because they do, and it's apparent that's really all they care about.


That's my whole point.

Why walk-out to bring attention to something they already know?


Because the walk out isn't about the money.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:28 pm

Babrook wrote:
Lead Pipe wrote:
Babrook wrote:I could care less if they know about profits or not, because they do, and it's apparent that's really all they care about.


That's my whole point.

Why walk-out to bring attention to something they already know?


Because the walk out isn't about the money.


Exactly, that's why management doesn't care about it.
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Unread postby pup » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:41 pm

Lead Pipe wrote:
Babrook wrote:
Lead Pipe wrote:
Babrook wrote:I could care less if they know about profits or not, because they do, and it's apparent that's really all they care about.


That's my whole point.

Why walk-out to bring attention to something they already know?


Because the walk out isn't about the money.


Exactly, that's why management doesn't care about it.


Owners and general managers do not give one iota about the fans. In Pittsburgh, Cleveland, New York, St. Louis, anywhere. All they are doing is playing fantasy baseball with real money. Fans rank somewhere between the janitors and night security.
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Unread postby Babrook » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:55 pm

Lead Pipe wrote:
Babrook wrote:
Lead Pipe wrote:
Babrook wrote:I could care less if they know about profits or not, because they do, and it's apparent that's really all they care about.


That's my whole point.

Why walk-out to bring attention to something they already know?


Because the walk out isn't about the money.


Exactly, that's why management doesn't care about it.


I'm sure the higher ups care about the fans.

Fans=Money

No Fans=No Money.

No Money=Montreal Expos.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:55 pm

You're starting to talk in circles.

All I'm saying is a walk-out is a waste of time and will not work - which it won't.
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