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The Rockies??

Unread postby captain_wahoo » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:28 pm

My friend just e-mailed me and said that there have been some preliminary talks going on with us and the Rockies. He had no idea who was being discussed but was trying to find out. I'm can't even guess what we'd be talking with them about. There is no way they would trade Holliday, I don't think. Brad Hawpe maybe? Fuentes? Of all the teams to talk with, I would have never thought of the Rockies? Let you know as soon as I know something.
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Unread postby pup » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:32 pm

Our list from them, IMO

1. Fuentes
2. Atkins
3. Hawpe

Fuentes for the backend
Atkins, to allow Blake to play right (never thought I would say that)
Hawpe, because he is good and would kill my NL only fantasy team.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:47 pm

Things you didn't know:

Manny Corpas is good. I have literally never heard of Manny Corpas.

Rodrigo Lopez has a 2.90 ERA and a 1.24 WHIP. I thought Rodrigo Lopez was toast.

Jorge Julio has a 0.90 ERA for Colorado ... and a 6.52 overall. His WHIP as a Rockie: 1.10. His WHIP overall: 2.07. In order to get his career back on track, he had to go to ... Coors.

Tom Martin, Jeremy Affeldt, and LaToast Hawkins are still in the majors.
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Unread postby captain_wahoo » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:49 pm

That's why I mentioned it on here, because I figured maybe some of you know more about the Rockies than I do and could offer up some ideas.
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Re: The Rockies??

Unread postby Eckersley » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:02 pm

captain_wahoo wrote: Of all the teams to talk with, I would have never thought of the Rockies? Let you know as soon as I know something.


A deal with the Rockies makes sense in that their GM is Dan O'Dowd. O'Dowd was in the Tribe org. with Shapiro before going to Colorado.

I doubt if the Rockies are looking to trade any of their young hitters (Holliday, Atkins or Hawpe) although any 1 of them would be welcomed in Cleveland.

As mentioned, Fuentes & Corpas are 2 very good bullpen arms.

XM radio's baseball show was talking about the Rockies & stated that their focus was on drafting & developing starting pitchers that throw primarily sinkers. O'Dowd may be interested in Westbrook.
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Re: The Rockies??

Unread postby Steve Buffum » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:17 pm

Eckersley wrote:XM radio's baseball show was talking about the Rockies & stated that their focus was on drafting & developing starting pitchers that throw primarily sinkers. O'Dowd may be interested in Westbrook.

That would seem pretty crummy, I think, signing Westbrook to a team-friendly extension then shipping him to Colorado. Boston did it with Arroyo, and we're all professionals here, but it would send a message that I think Boston can afford a helluva lot more than Cleveland can.

However ...

Let's say O'Dowd says, "Send me Carmona and pick two players. Carte blanche." Do you bite?
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Unread postby captain_wahoo » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:21 pm

I wouldn't trade Carmona to them. I would give them Stanford and Sowers for Holliday, but I don't think that would be near enough.
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Unread postby Eckersley » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:32 pm

captain_wahoo wrote:I wouldn't trade Carmona to them. I would give them Stanford and Sowers for Holliday, but I don't think that would be near enough.


Yeah, not near enough. Holliday is 1 of the best OF'ers in MLB. That trade scenario would be like us getting Jeff Francis & Aaron Cook for Grady.

I don't think so.
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Unread postby intenso » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:53 pm

the players you guys are comfortable with getting rid of...nobody wants.

You have to give something of value to get something of value.
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Unread postby pup » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:58 pm

They will move Atkins. They have another kid, Ian Stewart, who is probably better than Atkins.


Jake and Ferd Cabrera for Atkins and Fuentes?

Then we could trade Marte for some more bullpen help.

Put Blake in RF.
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Unread postby Mr. MacPhisto » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:20 pm

If they want Carmona then I'm asking for the moon, the stars, and the sun. He's the kind of pitcher Colorado would kill to have.

Even if they did offer a lot, I'd still be shaky on trading Carmona. He's really, really good.
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Unread postby consigliere » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:26 pm

I'm not dealing Carmona. He should be a fixture in the Indians rotation for the next six years.

We'll have to give up something of value, but I am not sure I am ready to trade a starting pitcher. I like the depth, and I also don't want to get 75 cents on the dollar when trading these guys. I think if we hold out a little longer, the exchange rate may tip into our favor.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:32 pm

The problem with "holding out a little longer" is that everyone is looking for the same thing. I agree, by the way, not selling for 75 on the dollar. My point being, now or later, it's still going to be really tough to fill that bullpen need when practically all contenders are seeking it.
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Unread postby TribeinLA » Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:55 pm

DON'T TRADE CARMONA!

God, I can just see Shapiro doing it though!

The only guy on the block I want that we'd have to give up Fausto for would be Carl Crawford and they D rays better give us something with him!
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Unread postby pup » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:29 pm

If we can have Holliday and Fuentes or Hawpe for Carmona, I will drive to Colorado to pick them up and drop Fausto off.

I am sorry, but there is NOONE in this system as good as Matt Holliday, and Fuentes could answer the closer question for the next few years.
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Unread postby ArtGold » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:55 pm

I'm surprised we would be discussion a deal with the Rockies, but if we did business with them I think we would be looking at acquiring Hawpe or Julio.

If Hawpe, I think we would be dealing a significant prospect, perhaps Lofgren, along with a replacement, maybe Dellucci. I don't think the Rockies are conceding this year yet, though realistically it would be a surprise to see them in the playoffs. Think it might be Miller and Dellucci for Hawpe and Julio???
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Unread postby captain_wahoo » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:06 pm

I've been told that Adam Miller is absolutley untouchable.
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Unread postby TribeinLA » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:12 pm

Hawpe is a sluggah and flew under the radar even in college, as he played on the last LSU team to win a CWS. On that team were the following players that were viewed more prolific: Brad Cresse, Mike Fontenot, Ryan Theriot, Brian Tallet, and Ced Harris. I'd say Hawpe is easily the most succesful of those names. He hit a homer off of Mark Prior in the CWS that has yet to land.

Still, for Carmona?
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Unread postby pup » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:28 pm

The Carmona part of is for TWO players, of our choice. It was a hypothetical placed by Steve.

I would not trade Carmona straight up for anyone on the Rockies, but for any two, one of them being Holliday? Surely.
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